Marvel Universe: THE END Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Galan007
Mr M embraces your incessant condescension. I won't. 🙂

More on point: I posted a scan for the sole purpose of proving that The End is canon to mainstream Marvel (which some on this very page have debated.) I made that very clear. You replied to that post/scan with: ...Whether you realize it or not, you were attempting to pull me into a crappy argument that I was certainly not trying to partake in. That is all.

No.

You posted a scan into a very public arena, a scan that just happened to make my point for me just splendidly. The reason behind you posting the scan has no relevance to me whatsoever. I never made any statement pertaining to your stance in this debate, i merely referred to the scan presented. You felt the need to comment because you had unwittingly aided my case without intending to and therefore got your panties in a twist. Not my problem. Deal with it and move on.

Oh and Happy Holidays! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Hey Mr Master.

Have you got any handbook statements that specifically mention
multiverse when referring to the scale of the matter Thanos
absorbed with the HOTI?

Originally posted by Mr Master

(The Heart of the Infinite) bio:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ...
but he also Obliterated the MULTIVERSE in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the MULTIVERSE
bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Not really meeting the requirement of my post to be honest.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Given that in the handbooks the scale of the matter is only referred to as universal

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Marvunapp ... remember is it is not the word of marvel
its an unofficial site comprised of comic fans
and some of the handbook writers.

It is unofficial opinion.

The Official Marvel Universe Handbooks ALL begin with the same opening page,
which is directing their readers to MARVUNAP to follow up on more in-depth info,
and even data corrections due to mistakes made with the Handbooks themselves.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

You cant pick and choose which of his statements you accept
according to what fits in with how you want to interpret a story.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Let me know when you find any official source specifically referring to multiverse

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No.

You posted a scan into a very public arena, a scan that just happened to make my point for me just splendidly. The reason behind you posting the scan has no relevance to me whatsoever. I never made any statement pertaining to your stance in this debate, i merely referred to the scan presented. You felt the need to comment because you had unwittingly aided my case without intending to and therefore got your panties in a twist. Not my problem. Deal with it and move on.

Oh and Happy Holidays! 😱

And just so you are aware: I agree that Thanos destroyed/created one universe. If Starlin intended more than just one universe to be involved, he would have made sure such was explicitly stated (he's had no problems doing so in past arcs, after all)... But he didn't. Instead, he used the word "universe" multiple times to describe the scope of Thanos' feat.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again:

😐

Bull shit

The Official Marvel Universe Handbooks ALL begin with the same opening page,
[b]which is directing their readers to MARVUNAP to follow up on more in-depth info,
and even data corrections due to mistakes made with the Handbooks themselves.

Conclusion of your replies:

[/B]

Once again i applaud your attempts at remaining relevant, however allow me to correct you once again 😄

Marvunapp is an unofficial site created by some of the handbook writers as well as absolutely anyone on the internet that feels like contributing to the site:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appguide.htm#yahoo

Thats right, theres a reason for it being unofficial, because it doesnt necessarily correlate with the word of marvel. Its a site by marvel fans, some of whom happen to be handbook writers. If you follow the link above then you can see just how you can submit a profile to the site as well 🙄

Further to that point, the site actually acknowledges its not the official word of marvel, that it is constructed by fans just for fun and that if you want to know the official word on all things marvel then go to marvel.com -

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/

blowup

Originally posted by Galan007
And that's why you directed a question toward me pertaining to the scale of said event, right? Geesh, you'll never change.

The question regarding scale was directed at Mr Master, i merely quoted your post. If you look at the top of that post you will see a big "@MR MASTER" 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
And just so you are aware: I agree that Thanos destroyed/created one universe. If Starlin intended more than just one universe to be involved, he would have made sure such was explicitly stated (he's had no problems doing so in past arcs, after all)... But he didn't. Instead, he used the word "universe" multiple times to describe the scope of Thanos' feat.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The question regarding scale was directed at Mr Master, i merely quoted your post. If you look at the top of that post you will see a big "@MR MASTER" 😬

Doesn't matter either way, though... Just thought it was funny.

Originally posted by Galan007
Uhuh, but then you quoted ME and, without specifying "@ MR M", posted a question toward my post/scan. Obviously you can see why I'd be inclined to believe said post was directed toward me. After all, it is possible to reply to multiple people simultaneously... 😉

Doesn't matter either way, though... Just thought it was funny.

Apologies. It was my fault, i was just being lazy and couldnt be bothered to delete all of the extra text so i just quoted ya! 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Once again i applaud your attempts at remaining relevant,
however allow me to correct you once again

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Marvunapp is an unofficial site

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appguide.htm#yahoo

No where does it even suggest this an un-official site.

How can it be un-official when the Handbooks
and Marvel.com both direct you to their site?

You went from ganja to crack?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Its a site by marvel fans,
some of whom happen to be handbook writers.
If you follow the link above then you can see just how you can submit a profile to the site as well

The site is completely developed by Marvel Handbook Writers
which allow help from the public to be submitted BUT EVALUATED
by the Writers before uploading as an add-on info to a present bio,
or a an entirely new bio for OBSCURE characters few if any have heard of.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appguide.htm#yahoo

"Submissions Protocol

For your first profile, you must:

1. Check with me (Snood/Jeff Christiansen, get my address from this page link) to make sure the character is ok to do.

2. Use the Templates and the Guidelines.

Grossly incomplete profiles may be refused and sent back.

3. Send the profile to me for evaluation.

4. I'll redirect it to wherever it needs to go, or perhaps instruct you on how it needs to be revised."

yawn

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

the site actually acknowledges its not the official word of marvel,
that it is constructed by fans just for fun and that if you want to
know the official word on all things marvel then go to marvel.com -

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/

it does not say anywhere that its un-official or anything even alluding to that.

It directs it's readers to Marvel.com because well ...

that is the prime Marvel site. duh

Originally posted by Mr Master
Allow yourself, to make a fool of yourself, once again.

That's a lie.

No where does it even suggest this an un-official site.

How can it be un-official when the Handbooks
and Marvel.com both direct you to their site?

You went from ganja to crack?

Bull shit

The site is completely developed by Marvel Handbook Writers
which allow help from the public to be submitted BUT EVALUATED
by the Writers before uploading as an add-on info to a present bio,
or a an entirely new bio for OBSCURE characters few if any have heard of.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appguide.htm#yahoo

"Submissions Protocol

For your first profile, you must:

1. Check with me (Snood/Jeff Christiansen, get my address from this page link) to make sure the character is ok to do.

2. Use the Templates and the Guidelines.

Grossly incomplete profiles may be refused and sent back.

3. [b]Send the profile to me for evaluation.

4. I'll redirect it to wherever it needs to go, or perhaps instruct you on how it needs to be revised."

yawn

Bull shit

it does not say anywhere that its un-official or anything even alluding to that.

It directs it's readers to Marvel.com because well ...

that is the prime Marvel site. duh [/B]

What it says is that the site is purely fo fun. It was created to stimulate interest in the properties that Marvel has created thereby distinguishing itself from Marvel. It then states that it is not the real thing and directs readers to the official marvel site for that.

Its authencity in comparison to the official site is made clear by the site itself there is no debating this.

Marvel itself in its handbooks have also directed people to uncannyxmen.net for it too has a wealth of info about marvel properties made by dedicated marvel fans which marvel appreciates. However both of these sites make it clear that they are not the official word of marvel. They are not a subsidiary or department of marvel. They are sites created by fans who make it clear their sites are not the real thing, for that readers must go to marvel.com 🙂

The fact that the writer of Marvel The End Jim Starlin only refers to a universal scale and that the handbooks and other comic stories say the same thing and never multiverse or all realities in referencing the event make it very clear 🙂

Once again i ask you present an on panel statement or official marvel source verifying the scale of the feat through conclusive terms such as omniverse, multiverse or all realities/dimensions or forget it 😄

No more waffle.

If you cannot provide what i ask, then simply say so.

Its not hard 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What it says is that the site is purely fo fun. It was created to stimulate interest in the properties that Marvel has created thereby distinguishing itself from Marvel. It then states that it is not the real thing and directs readers to the official marvel site for that.

Its authencity in comparison to the official site is made clear by the site itself there is no debating this.

Marvel itself in its handbooks have also directed people to uncannyxmen.net for it too has a wealth of info about marvel properties made by dedicated marvel fans which marvel appreciates. However both of these sites make it clear that they are not the official word of marvel. They are not a subsidiary or department of marvel. They are sites created by fans who make it clear their sites are not the real thing, for that readers must go to marvel.com

The fact that the writer of Marvel The End Jim Starlin only refers to a universal scale and that the handbooks and other comic stories say the same thing and never multiverse or all realities in referencing the event make it very clear

Once again i ask you present an on panel statement or official marvel source verifying the scale of the feat through conclusive terms such as omniverse, multiverse or all realities/dimensions or forget it

http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes.htm#fan

Is it true you are "just a bunch of fan writers"?
Every person working on the Handbooks is a fan. However, please don't take that as a negative judgment on either how much Marvel cares about the Handbooks, or on the quality of our work for same. Remember - Chris Claremont was and is a fan; John Byrne likewise; Peter David too. Walt and Louise Simonson - fans. Jim Starlin - fan. Neil Gaiman - fan. Alan Moore - fan. Mark Gruenwald - fan. Joe Quesada - fan. In fact, probably without exception, any artist or writer who started working in comics since the 1960s was and is a fan. Unless you are very successful, there are better paid jobs, and ones with more public prestige; most people working in the industry (on the creative side at least) started doing so because they are fans. And while we don't count ourselves on the same level as the comic luminaries I've listed, my point is that being a "fan" does not mean the work somehow automatically loses validity; instead please judge the Handbooks on the quality or otherwise of our work. Some of the Handbook writers make their professional living as writers; all of us are employed as writers of these books by Marvel. We work as a group collectively reviewing all of the profiles; over time we have assembled a panel of experts that function synergistically to identify the most obscure points, making the material as complete as possible, as well as identifying errata, making the material as correct as possible.

All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist.

In addition, any time we are not certain about material, we will
send it to the writers of the relevant stories for checking and
clarification.

Fans? Absolutely, and proud of it.

Just fans? No.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes.htm#fan

Is it true you are "just a bunch of fan writers"?
Every person working on the Handbooks is a fan. However, please don't take that as a negative judgment on either how much Marvel cares about the Handbooks, or on the quality of our work for same. Remember - Chris Claremont was and is a fan; John Byrne likewise; Peter David too. Walt and Louise Simonson - fans. Jim Starlin - fan. Neil Gaiman - fan. Alan Moore - fan. Mark Gruenwald - fan. Joe Quesada - fan. In fact, probably without exception, any artist or writer who started working in comics since the 1960s was and is a fan. Unless you are very successful, there are better paid jobs, and ones with more public prestige; most people working in the industry (on the creative side at least) started doing so because they are fans. And while we don't count ourselves on the same level as the comic luminaries I've listed, my point is that being a "fan" does not mean the work somehow automatically loses validity; instead please judge the Handbooks on the quality or otherwise of our work. Some of the Handbook writers make their professional living as writers; all of us are employed as writers of these books by Marvel. We work as a group collectively reviewing all of the profiles; over time we have assembled a panel of experts that function synergistically to identify the most obscure points, making the material as complete as possible, as well as identifying errata, making the material as correct as possible.

[b]All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist.

In addition, any time we are not certain about material, we will
send it to the writers of the relevant stories for checking and
clarification.

Fans? Absolutely, and proud of it.

Just fans? No. [/B]

I'll highlight a significant part of that "All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist"

The entries on the site are created as i stated by both handbook writers and any fan who submits good enough work.

However as also aforementioned, there is a clear distinction made between the official marvel site and marvunapp in terms of authenticity.

Not all entries on the marvunapp site are reviewed by Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist, only published entries as stated by your own evidence.

Again a clear distinction is made between marvunapps work and that which is officially sanctioned and is to be accepted by the word of Marvel.

That explains why on panel and in the handbooks which refer to Marvel The End you only get references to the universal whilst on marvunapp you get the multiversal references which failed to make the official cut

So once again-

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No more waffle.

If you cannot provide what i ask, then simply say so.

Its not hard 🙂

Thats all folks

😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

I'll highlight a significant part of that "All material published is
reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff
Youngquist"

Not all entries on the marvunapp site are reviewed by Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist,

[B]only published entries as stated by your own evidence.

http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes.htm#fan

"All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist.

In addition, any time we are not certain about material, we will
send it to the writers of the relevant stories for checking and
clarification."

"only published entries?"

What else are they suppose to review? 😐

I don't give a rats ass about shit that's not reviewed if it's not going to be published,
I won't get to see/read it anyway, it WON'T be Published.

Are you just playing dumb or are you so stung by the FACT,
that they interpret what Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist approved which is,
Thanos DESTROYED & RE-CREATED the MULTIVERSE?

Don't be such a *****, and I'm not saying that to attack, for real,
it's un-becoming.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Not all entries on the marvunapp site are reviewed by Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist, only published entries as stated by your own evidence.

You can drivel all the lies you wish to demean Marvunapp,
with this fan-site nonsense so they don't know what they're taking about,
but little thing,
do you know who made the Heart of the Infinite bio at their site?

Hm? ...

Well first, the Comments on the page are by:

Jim Starlin & Al Milgrom (writer/artist of Marvel: The End)

The Profile (bio) was made by Snood!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

You know who Snood is right? Actually, I know you don't.

He's actually Jeff Christiansen!

The phuckin AUTHOR and OWNER of the Marvunapp site,
he's also like the ultimate member of the elite Masters of the Obscure team,
which is a group of Marvel Comic aficionados
with intense backgrounds working for Marvel company.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appmasts.htm#snood

When you look at Jeff's body of work for Marvel (in the link)
I'll take this guys word over yours and even mine any time any day.

That, and the fact that it's all
"reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist"

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Now get out of here with your bull shit ...

Sorry to do away with your essay of drivel in just a few lines but if you follow the link and look under-

""Is it true you are "just a bunch of fan writers"?

It is clear they are talking about in terms of the actual handbooks hence the line "All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist"

As aforementioned the difference in authenticity between this site and Marvel is made clear- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/

Marvunapp is not the official word of Marvel. It is however a useful tool to gain info and helps in debate when its info correlates with whats stated on panel and in the actual published handbooks reviewed by Tom B and Jeff Y.

Unfortunately for the case youre trying to make, multiversal or all realities are not terms used in any officially sanctioned material.

Commiserations 🙁

lol @ sites being used as evidence.

Am I the only one finding it funny how both of you popped up almost at the same time? SOCKS!

ha-som

Good to see Mr Master hasn't updates his programming, and is still half human, half microsoft word.

Originally posted by Philosophía
lol @ sites being used as evidence.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Am I the only one finding it funny how both of you popped up almost at the same time? SOCKS!

ha-som

Good to see Mr Master hasn't updates his programming, and is still half human, half microsoft word.

You think im a sock of Mr Master? lol

Would it make you feel any better if I said Mr Master is a sock of yours? uhuh

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Sorry to do away with your essay of drivel in just a few lines but if you follow the link and look under-

""Is it true you are "just a bunch of fan writers"?
It is clear they are talking about in terms of the actual handbooks hence the line [B]"All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist"

As aforementioned the difference in authenticity between this site and Marvel is made clear- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/
Marvunapp is not the official word of Marvel. It is however a useful tool to gain info and helps in debate when its info correlates with whats stated on panel and in the actual published handbooks reviewed by Tom B and Jeff Y.
Unfortunately for the case youre trying to make, multiversal or all realities are not terms used in any officially sanctioned material.

Commiserations [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master

do you know who made the Heart of the Infinite bio at their site?

Hm? ...

Well first, the Comments on the page are by:

Jim Starlin & Al Milgrom (writer/artist of Marvel: The End)

The Profile (bio) was made by Snood!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

You know who Snood is right? Actually, I know you don't.

He's actually Jeff Christiansen!

The phuckin AUTHOR and OWNER of the Marvunapp site,
he's also like the ultimate member of the elite Masters of the Obscure team,
which is a group of Marvel Comic aficionados
with intense backgrounds working for Marvel company.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appmasts.htm#snood

When you look at Jeff's body of work for Marvel (in the link)
I'll take this guys word over yours and even mine any time any day.

That, and the fact that it's all
"reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist"

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Originally posted by Philosophía

Am I the only one finding it funny
how both of you popped up almost at the same time? SOCKS!

Good to see Mr Master hasn't updates his programming,
and is still half human, half microsoft word.

This is really funny, I gotta admit I was laughing over here literally out loud.

I'm actually still smiling hard while typing.