Marvel Universe: THE END Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nothing new, same old self-serving fallacies.
Fact:

🙂

As ive illustrated theyre talking about the handbooks themselves, THEY receive a review by Tom B and Jeff Y. The entries on marvunapp dont.

The site makes a clear distinction between itself and states it is not the official site. 🙂

This explains why the reference on marvunapp has content that does not match up with the published handbooks or actual comics......they didnt go through the same high level reviewing procedure.

Commiserations once again.

So you managed to find any official literature with regards to Thanos' feat being more than universal? 😕

Holla at me when you do yh? 😄

durznuts

Originally posted by Mr Master

http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes.htm#fan

Is it true you are "just a bunch of fan writers"?

Every person working on the Handbooks is a fan. However, please don't take that as a negative judgment on either how much Marvel cares about the Handbooks, or on the quality of our work for same. Remember - Chris Claremont was and is a fan; John Byrne likewise; Peter David too. Walt and Louise Simonson - fans. Jim Starlin - fan. Neil Gaiman - fan. Alan Moore - fan. Mark Gruenwald - fan. Joe Quesada - fan. In fact, probably without exception, any artist or writer who started working in comics since the 1960s was and is a fan. Unless you are very successful, there are better paid jobs, and ones with more public prestige; most people working in the industry (on the creative side at least) started doing so because they are fans. And while we don't count ourselves on the same level as the comic luminaries I've listed, my point is that being a "fan" does not mean the work somehow automatically loses validity; instead please judge the Handbooks on the quality or otherwise of our work. Some of the Handbook writers make their professional living as writers; all of us are employed as writers of these books by Marvel. We work as a group collectively reviewing all of the profiles; over time we have assembled a panel of experts that function synergistically to identify the most obscure points, making the material as complete as possible, as well as identifying errata, making the material as correct as possible.

All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist.

In addition, any time we are not certain about material, we will
send it to the writers of the relevant stories for checking and
clarification.

Fans? Absolutely, and proud of it.

Just fans? No.

Originally posted by Mr Master

http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes.htm#fan

"All material published is reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist.

In addition, any time we are not certain about material, we will
send it to the writers of the relevant stories for checking and
clarification."

"only published entries?"

What else are they suppose to review? 😐

I don't give a rats ass about shit that's not reviewed if it's not going to be published,
I won't get to see/read it anyway, it WON'T be Published.

Are you just playing dumb or are you so stung by the FACT,
that they interpret what Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist approved which is,
Thanos DESTROYED & RE-CREATED the MULTIVERSE?

Originally posted by Mr Master

The Official Marvel Universe Handbooks ALL begin with the same opening page,
which is directing their readers to MARVUNAPP to follow up on more in-depth info,
and even data corrections due to mistakes made with the Handbooks themselves.

Originally posted by Mr Master

(The Heart of the Infinite) bio:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ...
but he also Obliterated the MULTIVERSE in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the MULTIVERSE
bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"

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Originally posted by Mr Master

Do you know who made the Heart of the Infinite bio at their site?

Hm? ...

Well first, the Comments on the page are by:

Jim Starlin & Al Milgrom (writer/artist of Marvel: The End)

The Profile (bio) was made by Snood!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

You know who Snood is right? Actually, I know you don't.

He's actually Jeff Christiansen!

The phuckin AUTHOR and OWNER of the Marvunapp site,
he's also like the ultimate member of the elite Masters of the Obscure team,
which is a group of Marvel Comic aficionados
with intense backgrounds working for Marvel company.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appmasts.htm#snood

When you look at Jeff's body of work for Marvel (in the link)
I'll take this guys word over yours and even mine any time any day.

That, and the fact that it's all
"reviewed and sanctioned by both Tom Brevoort and Jeff Youngquist"

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The very site youre passing off as official says its not official and that the real thing is marvel sources. It makes that distinction therefore your word to the contrary is irrelevant.

The scans you present are a handbook stating that the guys at marvunapp do good work and for more info on marvel matters check it out.

However for the definitive word on these issues as stated by marvunapp you must use official sources such as the official marvel site or the published handbooks that are reviewed by Tom B and Jeff Y 😄

You cannot get around that by reposting your previous post again.

Now please post a comic book scan, or a handbook scan that has in it a reference to multiversal or all realities when talking of the scale of Thanos' feat 🙂 👆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The very site youre passing off as official says its not official and that the real thing is marvel sources. It makes that distinction therefore your word to the contrary is irrelevant.

The scans you present are a handbook stating that the guys at marvunapp do good work and for more info on marvel matters check it out.

However for the definitive word on these issues as stated by marvunapp you must use official sources such as the official marvel site or the published handbooks that are reviewed by Tom B and Jeff Y 😄

You cannot get around that by reposting your previous post again.

Now please post a comic book scan, or a handbook scan that has in it a reference to multiversal or all realities when talking of the scale of Thanos' feat 🙂 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does it matter if it's multiversal or universal anyway ? Do you have a point ?

Of course it matters if its universal or multiversal. Those are too vastly different scales so it will affect the HOTI's ranking on the hierarchy.

On panel both in the Marvel The End book, in Thanos' title and in the handbooks it states that it was only a universe he absorbed.

Its as simple as that 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Of course it matters if its universal or multiversal. Those are too vastly different scales so it will affect the HOTI's ranking on the hierarchy.

On panel both in the Marvel The End book, in Thanos' title and in the handbooks it states that it was only a universe he absorbed.

Its as simple as that 🙂

Also just because he absorbed a universe doesn't mean he couldn't absorb more had he wanted to.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
To easily stomp Lt and the rest of the abstracts whether his power extends throughout the multiverse or just stays in the universe it's beyond multiversal power. Forget about the scope that's just a useless and flawed way of thinking to look at this.

To easily absorb the abstracts and LT does not indicate the power was beyond universal. The abstracts are all components of the universe, they draw on the universes power, so beating them doesnt indicate multiversal power just greater control of the universes power than any single one of the abstracts. The LT Mbody has been defeated by Korvac and Reed Richards machinery so Thanos doing so with HOTU does not equate to it being a multiversal power.

The very title Heart Of the Universe plus its very universal feats tell u all that you need to know 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Also just because he absorbed a universe doesn't mean he couldn't absorb more had he wanted to.

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The last point wasnt even worth typing. Here on the forums as we know we can only go by what feats are depicted. Speculation on potential is irrelevant.

Thanos stated his power was more than one universe, he said he was bonded to omni reality.

hey all

brevoort/schmidt/axel all say its not continuity

😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
To easily absorb the abstracts and LT does not indicate the power was beyond universal. The abstracts are all components of the universe, they draw on the universes power, so beating them doesnt indicate multiversal power just greater control of the universes power than any single one of the abstracts. The LT Mbody has been defeated by Korvac and Reed Richards machinery so Thanos doing so with HOTU does not equate to it being a multiversal power.

Lt draws his power from anywhere and his job is to safeguard the multiverse not the universe. Prove that they were mbodies since that's your ridiculous claim.

The very title Heart Of the Universe plus its very universal feats tell u all that you need to know 🙂

The last point wasnt even worth typing. Here on the forums as we know we can only go by what feats are depicted. Speculation on potential is irrelevant. [/B]

Originally posted by guy222
hey all

brevoort/schmidt/axel all say its not continuity

😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The LT Mbody has been defeated by Korvac and Reed Richards machinery so Thanos doing so with HOTU does not equate to it being a multiversal power.

Akhenaten with a fraction of the HOTU's power also beat Jean Grey in that arc... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by guy222
hey all

brevoort/schmidt/axel all say its not continuity

😛

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Korvac didn't defeat him, and the Richards machine turned their own power back on them IIRC. Which doesn't make a lot of sense for a lot of reason, but that whole arc wasn't the greatest.

Akhenaten with a fraction of the HOTU's power also beat Jean Grey in that arc... 😖hifty:

Korvac shrugged off what LT deemd his "ultimate punishment" after which point LT retreated and sealed off that universe. So he foiled LTs attempts to bring his plans to an end 🙂

And im aware of what Richards did, my point is the LT Mbody is not infallible. It can and has been thwarted on multiple occasions on panel by powers less than HOTI

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does since the Lt has multiversal power. It's a combat feat scores above anything the Phoenix force has ever done.

Lt draws his power from anywhere and his job is to safeguard the multiverse not the universe. Prove that they were mbodies since that's your ridiculous claim.
What we saw is proof enough. The judge of the multiverse was less than nothing to Thanos. Your posts are never comprised of any value just baseless claim after baseless claim.

Again you are confusing role and importance with power. Gordon Browns the prime minister of England but im pretty sure in a fist fight i could take him down lol.

Roma is the omniversal guardian, her jurisdiction covers a greater scale than LT's and yet her inherent power is less than skyfather 😬

The Shadow King is a multiversal being, there is only one of him in the multiverse and yet he can and has been defeated by Professor X 😬

Being multiversal in role, or multiversal in nature does not necessarily speak for your power.

Went off on a tangent there but my point is LT is stated on panel and in handbooks to be an abstract/conceptual entity that does not naturally possess a physical body of his own. Therefore as depicted on panel he must make use of M bodies.

Being multiversal in nature does not mean that there can only be one LT Mbody. Quasar issues have shown that he uses more than one. What it means is that there is only one of him in the multiverse but if he so desires to be in multiple places at once he can ascribe his essence to multiple Mbodies which are all fragments of the whole.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Korvac shrugged off what LT deemd his "ultimate punishment"

😂 such weaksauce.

Originally posted by Galan007
...Which was making a star go nova.

😂 such weaksauce.

Youre looking at things too superficially bro 🙂

The point is that LT uses Mbodies and these are not infallible as shown by instances like this.Thats not to say the full power of LT (which we have never seen) is limited to attacking with supernovas. Thats clearly not the case going by reputable statements and the high regard he receives. However these mbodies can be defeated and thwarted as shown and given by the beings who have done this to him, it doesnt necessarily make you a greater power than LT. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre looking at things too superficially bro 🙂

I was poking fun at that instance, is all. Back when that comic was published (early 80's) supernovas were considered one of the more uber forces in the universe--so back then, LT's feat likely was quite impressive. But next to feats characters are preforming nowadays, generating a supernova is literally nothing--well within a Herald's scope of power.

And I still find it hysterical that LT referred to a supernova as his "ultimate punishment", but then proceeded to seal Korvac in that universe for all time. Lulz @ the inconsistency.