Do you think it's ok that China bans religion freedom?

Do you think it's ok that China bans religion freedom?

Many Americans people are pretty upset about China because Chinese government disallow religion freedom; they do not allow any religion institue built in there....

and 93% of Chinese are agnostic or atheistic.....

So some people use the word "communism" to insult Chinese people...
but have you thought about why Chinese government is banning religion freedom???

I think there is a reason
China, right now, is becoming a high-tech based nation. It will not be as good as Japan in term of technology, but close.

They are afraid that if religion freedom is allowed in China, those religious fanatics will try anyway to destroy their progress.

That's my feeling
I don't know about yours...
so although banning religion freedom might seem to be rude, there are reasons...or why do they need to do that?

Do you really think that restricting religious freedom is a means to achieving economic progress? That's so weird! How did you come up with it?

The reason religious activities in China are restricted is simply because freedom is restricted. Although gradual changes are being made, this central principal of China's communism remains the same.

I'm an atheist, and even I think that there is no justification for banning religion.

Don't care. Religion is a **** anyways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't care. Religion is a **** anyways.

Oh I see so if Religon is such a **** what about all the inventions made by religous people!!!!!!
😠

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh I see so if Religon is such a **** what about all the inventions made by religous people!!!!!!
😠

Yes, what about them? You think they made them because they were religious? What about all the inventions made by atheist/agnostic people? What about the 700 years of advancement it stole us with your stupid middle ages? What about all the death it brought over the world? What about the hate it created?

All in all it is jsut a real ****. We'd be better off without it. I wouldn't ban it, cause people should have freedom, even if they believe in something as hateful and ignorant and stupid as Christianity.

Originally posted by ysh227
Do you think it's ok that China bans religion freedom?

Many Americans people are pretty upset about China because Chinese government disallow religion freedom; they do not allow any religion institue built in there....

and 93% of Chinese are agnostic or atheistic.....

So some people use the word "communism" to insult Chinese people...
but have you thought about why Chinese government is banning religion freedom???

I think there is a reason
China, right now, is becoming a high-tech based nation. It will not be as good as Japan in term of technology, but close.

They are afraid that if religion freedom is allowed in China, those religious fanatics will try anyway to destroy their progress.

That's my feeling
I don't know about yours...
so although banning religion freedom might seem to be rude, there are reasons...or why do they need to do that?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, what about them? You think they made them because they were religious? What about all the inventions made by atheist/agnostic people? What about the 700 years of advancement it stole us with your stupid middle ages? What about all the death it brought over the world? What about the hate it created?

All in all it is jsut a real ****. We'd be better off without it. I wouldn't ban it, cause people should have freedom, even if they believe in something as hateful and ignorant and stupid as Christianity.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, what about them? You think they made them because they were religious?

Yes, religous people are inspired by religon to do things.

Originally posted by Bardock42

What about all the inventions made by atheist/agnostic people?

Yeah what about them they are just as creative as religous people.

Originally posted by Bardock42

What about the 700 years of advancement it stole us with your stupid middle ages?

Well that just goes to show how little you know. As much as I dislike Islam alot of scienitifc advancement was created by Islam around that time. Oh yes and Christians during the midlle ages idnt belive that the world was flat, find out about Sir Francis Bacon. Sir Isaac Newton was a staunch Christain.

Even in modern times the spritualist movement was responsible for creating alot of inventions based on radiowaves because they thought the dead could be talked to.

Originally posted by Bardock42

What about all the death it brought over the world? What about the hate it created?

Stop being emotional. Even if there was no religon people would find something else. Its not religon its people. What was WW2 and WW1 about. How many people did Stalin kill. How many people have the Chinese Government killed for the sake of communism

Originally posted by Bardock42

All in all it is jsut a real ****. We'd be better off without it. I wouldn't ban it, cause people should have freedom, even if they believe in something as hateful and ignorant and stupid as Christianity.

There you go making assumptions. Im a heathen I worship the Norse Gods.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I say they should, religion only holds people back.

👆 Agreed.

I hope you have read my post.

We'd be better off without Cheetos, but I don't think those should be banned, either.

You can't ban someone's THOUGHTS. Their beliefs. It's no different than the Red Scare or the Crusades. What do you do, throw someone in prison if they don't agree that there is no god? How does that make atheists any better than theists? How does that make atheism better than theism?

Originally posted by Kinneary
We'd be better off without Cheetos, but I don't think those should be banned, either.

You can't ban someone's THOUGHTS. Their beliefs. It's no different than the Red Scare or the Crusades. What do you do, throw someone in prison if they don't agree that there is no god? How does that make atheists any better than theists? How does that make atheism better than theism?

Yes but what about all the inventions and scientfic progress made by religous people???? Religon itself isnt even a bad thing. Why are you arguing it from that angle???

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes, religous people are inspired by religon to do things.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah what about them they are just as creative as religous people.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well that just goes to show how little you know. As much as I dislike Islam alot of scienitifc advancement was created by Islam around that time. Oh yes and Christians during the midlle ages idnt belive that the world was flat, find out about Sir Francis Bacon. Sir Isaac Newton was a staunch Christain.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Even in modern times the spritualist movement was responsible for creating alot of inventions based on radiowaves because they thought the dead could be talked to.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Stop being emotional. Even if there was no religon people would find something else. Its not religon its people. What was WW2 and WW1 about.

Originally posted by Alfheim
How many people did Stalin kill. How many people have the Chinese Government killed for the sake of communism

Originally posted by Alfheim
There you go making assumptions. Im a heathen I worship the Norse Gods.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I hope you have read my post.

Originally posted by Kinneary
We'd be better off without Cheetos, but I don't think those should be banned, either.

You can't ban someone's THOUGHTS. Their beliefs. It's no different than the Red Scare or the Crusades. What do you do, throw someone in prison if they don't agree that there is no god? How does that make atheists any better than theists? How does that make atheism better than theism?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but what about all the inventions and scientfic progress made by religous people???? Religon itself isnt even a bad thing. Why are you arguing it from that angle???

After all the time that the religious have been banning non-religious people's freedoms such as gay marriage and abortion, it's funny that the tables are turned in my opinion.

It's be simpler if people could just live by their own morals and not force them upon others, but that's a big ask apparantly.

-AC

Originally posted by lord xyz
Hmm, was Darwin inspired by religion, was Columbus inspired by religion, was Einstein inspired by religion? Or did they do great things when they turned away from religion?
But with nothing to hold them back. Religion said the Earth was flat, so no one dared to go west and sail round the world. Then people thought the world wasn't flat, say hello to America.
I don't think I've seen anywhere that suggest Francis Bacon was christian, or did the things he did because of christianity.
Really? Because this website suggests otherwise. http://inventors.about.com/od/rstartinventions/a/radio.htm
Religion.
Not as much as the Spanish Inquisition.
What did he assume? Did he say you weren't? Or was he just using Christianity as an example?
I did. It was stupid. Inventions made by religious people eh? I don't think John Paul II or Kent Hovind ever invented something. They were too busy praying thinking God will do everything for us.

Sir Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton is well known as one of the greatest scientists who ever lived. Less well known is his deep belief in God and his conviction that scientific investigation leads to a greater knowledge of God the Creator of the universe.

Einstein

When that question was put to him, Einstein once responded, "I
believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony in
what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions

Muslim inventions

Medical Sciences
The Muslims have made a lasting contribution to the development of Medical Science. Razi (Rhazes), Ibn Sina (Avicenna), and Abu Ali al-Hasan (Alhazen) were the greatest medical scholars of mediaeval times.
Al-Razi, known in the West as Rhazes, the famous physician and scientist, (d. 932), was the inventor of "Seton" in Surgery and the author of 'Al-Judari wal Hasbak', an authentic book dealing with measles and small pox.
Seen as one of the greatest physicians in the world in the Middle Ages, Razi stressed empirical observation and clinical medicine and was unrivalled as a diagnostician. He also wrote a treatise on hygiene in hospitals.
Kahaf Abul-Qasim Al-Sahabi was a very famous surgeon in the eleventh century, known in Europe for his work, 'Kitab al-Tasrif' (Concessio).
Avicenna wrote 'Al-Qanun Jil Tib known as Cannon', which was the most widely studied medical work of mediaevel times and was reprinted more than twenty times during the last 30 years of the 15th century in many different languages. The book remained a standard textbook even in Europe, for over 700 years.
Alhazen was the world's greatest authority on "optics".
The contagious character of the plague and its remedies were discovered by Ibn Katina, a Moorish Physician.
Other significant contributions were made in pharmacology, such as Ibn Sina's 'Kitab al-Shifa' (Book of Healing), and in public health. Every major city in the Islamic world had a number of excellent hospitals, some of them teaching hospitals, and many of them were specialized for particular diseases, including mental and emotional. The Ottomans were particularly noted for their building of hospitals and for the high level of hygiene practiced in them.

http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/history/muslim_inventors.html

And thats just some of it....

Sir Fancis Bacon

And yet he writes in "The Essays: Of Atheism" that "a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion",suggesting he continued to employ inductive reasoning in all areas of his life, including his own spiritual beliefs.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes, religous people are inspired by religon to do things.

Yeah what about them they are just as creative as religous people.

Well that just goes to show how little you know. As much as I dislike Islam alot of scienitifc advancement was created by Islam around that time. Oh yes and Christians during the midlle ages idnt belive that the world was flat, find out about Sir Francis Bacon. Sir Isaac Newton was a staunch Christain.

Even in modern times the spritualist movement was responsible for creating alot of inventions based on radiowaves because they thought the dead could be talked to.

Stop being emotional. Even if there was no religon people would find something else. Its not religon its people. What was WW2 and WW1 about. How many people did Stalin kill. How many people have the Chinese Government killed for the sake of communism

There you go making assumptions. Im a heathen I worship the Norse Gods.

I hope you have read my post.

Bullshit. They might believe in Religion, but it is not their reason to do things. Newton was very Christian in his actions too, wasn't he? You think because they were forced to believe in God (yes, everyone was forced then) all their thinking was inspired by Religion. Idiotic reasoning.

Yes, the Islam did have some advancements. Because they were the first to rediscover the Philosophy and Science of the Greeks. Then again you are probably going to claim they just advanced scientifically because they believed in Zeus and such.

Even if that was true, so what? Luckily Scientists today are not forced to pretend to believe in a Deity. They might do for other reasons, but many don't.
You are claiming that every Religious scientist was only able to produce his thinking because of Religion. That is totally ridiculous..and you do not even know if they were actually Religious at all or just had to pretend to be accepted in their society.

I am not emotional. just stating the facts. We would be better off with Religion as it is now. That's a fact. I am not saying that everything but Religion is good. Communism and Fascism are just as bad in my opinion. But Religion sucks big time.

I don't see what I assumed. Could you enlighten me?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but what about all the inventions and scientfic progress made by religous people???? Religon itself isnt even a bad thing. Why are you arguing it from that angle???

They're not trying to ban thoughts, just places of worship so the religions aren't as organised and dangerous.

And people are dangerous. Not religion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Bullshit. They might believe in Religion, but it is not their reason to do things. Newton was very Christian in his actions too, wasn't he? You think because they were forced to believe in God (yes, everyone was forced then) all their thinking was inspired by Religion. Idiotic reasoning.

No not at all. I dont have the quotes on me but to parapharse what Newton said...he said that science proves the existence of God because when you observe Nature you see form and structure not Chaos. So science in his opinion reinforced his beliefs.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Yes, the Islam did have some advancements. Because they were the first to rediscover the Philosophy and Science of the Greeks. Then again you are probably going to claim they just advanced scientifically because they believed in Zeus and such.

No im saying people are motivated by different reasons. An atheist doesnt use religon to inspire himself but relgious people do thats how they work for example

homas Alva Edison. Edison was a self-taught genius who believed that he could build anything if he had the right components to do it. Edison was an agnostic all of his life, never disputing the teachings of organized religion, but never embracing them either. He believed that somewhere in the universe was a great intelligence but he doubted that it had any interest in man. He claimed that when a person died, the body decayed, but the intelligence that it possessed lived on. He though the so-called "spirit world" was simply a limbo where disembodied intelligence waited to move on

Look at this bit below...

He took these beliefs one step further by announcing that he intended to device a means of communication with the spirit world. In October of 1920, an article appeared in American Magazine entitled "Edison Working to Communicate with the Next World". This was one of the many magazines who were trying to confirm that Edison was indeed attempting to communicate with the dead.

Thats an example of how religous people think. his beliefs inspired him to invent.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Even if that was true, so what? Luckily Scientists today are not forced to pretend to believe in a Deity. They might do for other reasons, but many don't.

There are lots of of scientists that are religous.

Originally posted by Bardock42

You are claiming that every Religious scientist was only able to produce his thinking because of Religion.

Thats how religous people work. They belive that inspiration comes from a divine source or they are motivated to use science to prove their beliefs such as Thomas Edison.

Originally posted by Bardock42

That is totally ridiculous..and you do not even know if they were actually Religious at all or just had to pretend to be accepted in their society.

Well there are still religous inventors now.

Originally posted by Bardock42

I am not emotional. just stating the facts. We would be better off with Religion as it is now. That's a fact. I am not saying that everything but Religion is good. Communism and Fascism are just as bad in my opinion. But Religion sucks big time.

Yes you are...its not relgion its human beings. Even if religon was eradicated people would find something else. Look at WW1 and 2.

Originally posted by Bardock42

I don't see what I assumed. Could you enlighten me?

I already have.

Originally posted by Kinneary

And [b]people are dangerous. Not religion. [/B]

Furthermore

Einstein

“Strenuous labour and the contemplation of God’s nature are the angels which, reconciling, fortifying, and yet mercilessly severe, will guide me through the tumults of life.”

Nobody forced him.

Heres more:

Isaac A. Rehn (1815-1883) was a spiritualist and a highly successful commercial photographer and inventor.

As I said before the spiritualist moevment was responsible for alot of inventions to do with radiowaves, x-rays etc. It may have been a relgious time but it was not a time wher you could be killed if you were not religous. The whole point of the movement was to prove life after death.

Also Newton was not forced to belive in what he did. He lived a life of solitude, nobody would do that to themselves if they did not ahve conviction in what they believed.

I won't go so far as to say all, or even most, religious scientists use their faith as a reason for their interest in science.

I think it's possible to be religious without being a zealot.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I won't go so far as to say all, or even most, religious scientists use their faith as a reason for their interest in science.

I think it's possible to be religious without being a zealot.

Yes thats true but if you look at Newton, Einstien and The Spiritualist movement the motivating factor was religon. I used to have a book on muslim scientist they were also inspired by religon.

The point im trying to make is religon can also be a force for progress.