Why John Constantine could beat Superman

Originally posted by Galan007
meh.............. I really could care less about math being brought into comics. (thats actually not a point i was making)

Its a comic book, who cares if whats written makes sense? The majority of comics don't make sense to real-world physics anyways, so shouldn't be a big deal at all....

And I think its definatley one of flash's greatest speed feats to date...

You think that going sub-lightspeed, is his best feat? How the hell does he "kamikaze" Eternity then?

Originally posted by Soljer

But, he DOES tell us, TWICE, that the Flash was operating at subluminal speeds.

Once when he says a 'hairs breadth' of lightspeed, and again when he talks about the Flash having detrimental after effects from travelling at 'near light' speeds.

Those are the only two sentences that really matter out of both of those scans.

Thats what defines the feat. Not the amount of people, or the distance, but the statements that the speeds were subliminal.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Those are the only two sentences that really matter out of both of those scans.

Thats what defines the feat. Not the amount of people, or the distance, but the statements that the speeds were subliminal.

Subluminal. Slower than light.

Subliminal. Existing below a threshold consciousness.

I believe you meant the former, 😉.

Regardless, yes, I agree. The writer printed, in plain text, the exact speed that the Flash was going. That's what matters.

Originally posted by Soljer
Subluminal. Slower than light.

Subliminal. Existing below a threshold consciousness.

I believe you meant the former, 😉.

Regardless, yes, I agree. The writer printed, in plain text, the exact speed that the Flash was going. That's what matters.

You people and your... words. 😠

😛 Anyways, the amount of people and the distance is just the scenario. When you come down to it, context isnt really all that important, unless it affects the character's ability to perform. In this case it doesn't, so, while it may not make perfect sense, the fact is he was going at sublUminal speeds. 🙂

So, yes, I completley agree

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You people and your... words. 😠

It's okay. You are Canadian, after all. You're thusly excused from intellectual matters. 😛.

😖hifty:

But seriously, as long as Constantine is under direct protection from Lucifer, he can't be beaten. The best anyone under god can hope for is a stalemate.

Originally posted by long pig
But seriously, as long as Constantine is under direct protection from Lucifer, he can't be beaten. The best anyone under god can hope for is a stalemate.

Silly long pig, Superman IS God...

Originally posted by batdude123
Silly long pig, Superman IS God...

Batman could kick the multi-verse clear across this here room!

Originally posted by long pig
No, no. Batman is god.

Batman could kick the multi-verse clear across this here room!

Well.... yeah. 🙂

He would with prep only.

A huge mystical/magic prep master ready to deal with you? And you dont have an invulnerability to it? Your done.

Originally posted by bigbran
Do you think writers think every thing through?
Comics aren't supposed to have people doing math, and saying, "hey, that writer is a douchebag, doesn't he know..."

His intention is for Flash to be traveling at sub-light speed.
If you want to bring math into this... how does Superman shoot lasers out of his eyes, and how does this stuff melt things? How do you create a formula to give someone the ability to throw cars? How do you make a machine to go into a different universe, when you are only in university, or even, how is this accomplished? How does a human, with human studies, recreate a big bang... and so on.

The writer stated his intention twice, and you can take all the math you want, and it won't change his speed. The only reason this math has been brought to this boards, is because of Flash fanboys smoking his pole, and then saying, hey, we have no common sense, so why don't we try and change a feat stated on-panel?

Flashes speed won't change, no matter how many times you call bullshit writing. And even if you could change it, it was pis, so... ya.

If we used math in every feat of Flashes, then Great Dane would be blowing his load twice as much to this character.

Not his greatest feat.

Yes, but the point is that this writer did just write Bullshit for fun. Atomic Bombs don't kill everyone in 0.0001 microseconds. He could have given Flash a second time. Or more and he could have still done it just without going 9 130 538 666 666.6 times the speed of light.

That is nine trillion one hundred thirty billion five hundred thirty-eight million six hundred sixty-six thousand six hundred sixty-six for those who care.

Flash should not run that fast. And he wasn't intended to run that fast. So people using it as a feat of Flash are morons.

Its a wonder why those people din burn up

Originally posted by olympian
He would with prep only.

A huge mystical/magic prep master ready to deal with you? And you dont have an invulnerability to it? Your done.

Arguable. Constantine is still just a human, and still speaks (and casts spells) at human level speeds.

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm just saying that you are using real world logic, to help you reach why this is Flash's greatest feat.
What, I am saying, is that if you used that every time, it just wouldn't be a comicbook, and you are trying to use math over the writers point.
Therefore, Flash was never going at anywhere over light speed.

You think that going sub-lightspeed, is his best feat? How the hell does he "kamikaze" Eternity then?

The writer did say Flash was moving below light speeds...

But the writer also showed us that Flash moved 532,000 people in .00001 microseconds, by moving them 1 at a time, and sometimes 2 at a time. You cant ignore this fact either:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg

All i said was if you do the math, Flash was moving much greater then light speed, and simple common sense should have told the writer that much.....

But again, who cares?
Its a great feat...

Originally posted by Galan007
But you seem to be picking only one part of that scenerio....

The writer did say Flash was moving below light speeds...

But the writer also showed us that Flash moved 532,000 people in .00001 microseconds, by moving them 1 at a time, and sometimes 2 at a time. You cant ignore this fact either:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg

All i said was if you do the math, Flash was moving much greater then light speed, and simple common sense should have told the writer that much.....

But again, who cares?
Its a great feat...

Yeah the writer should have know better, but I think he didn't even know what a micro second was.

As far as the feat goes, I think anything that is stated as fact and then contradicted within a few panels is BS.

I am the one one here who thinks this, but I think that in IG when Silver Surfer went 1 LIGHT YEAR in basically a tiny fraction of a second. Thanos' arm didn't really move and we know he throws a hard/fast punch, is a better feat.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[list]
[*]He is cooler
[*]He is a magician (Superman sucks his own balls when it comes to magic)
[*]He could make him drink holy water (cause Supeman is the devil. He would totally drink it and don't notice and then explode from the inside and scream and stuff)
[*]He is cooler
[*]He is British
[*]He can't and won't die (cause them devils need him alive...which is just totally hilarious)
[*]He smokes Silk Cuts

and finally

[*]He is cooler
[/list]

Thoughts?

Constantine wins. And it has nothing to do with him being cooler(being cooler than Superman isn't saying much) or him being British(which again isn't saying much).

Lol. Silk Cuts. Who cares?

lol @ being british.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[list]
[*]He is cooler
[*]He is a magician (Superman sucks his own balls when it comes to magic)
[*]He could make him drink holy water (cause Supeman is the devil. He would totally drink it and don't notice and then explode from the inside and scream and stuff)
[*]He is cooler
[*]He is British
[*]He can't and won't die (cause them devils need him alive...which is just totally hilarious)
[*]He smokes Silk Cuts

and finally

[*]He is cooler
[/list]

Thoughts?