Originally posted by darthgoober
If they were redundant, I seriously doubt that she would have taken the time to learn them.
Maybe she didn't and being as they are redundant she automatically gets points for knowing it, since it is one and the same with something she already knows. Alot of the martial arts on earth are redundant it's hard to imagine that those of other worlds wouldn't be.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Maybe she didn't and being as they are redundant she automatically gets points for knowing it, since it is one and the same with something she already knows. Alot of the martial arts on earth are redundant it's hard to imagine that those of other worlds wouldn't be.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I doubt it. I don't think it's covered anywhere. (At least not that I know of).
Originally posted by srankmissingninanother reason i'm curious to her age... how could she master that many martial arts unless she's uber old? and considering the feats that chracters like iron fist, captain america, and daredevil have against outworldy opponents.. is it not logical to say that earth may just have the best martial arts regardless?
Maybe she didn't and being as they are redundant she automatically gets points for knowing it, since it is one and the same with something she already knows. Alot of the martial arts on earth are redundant it's hard to imagine that those of other worlds wouldn't be.
Originally posted by jinzin
another reason i'm curious to her age... how could she master that many martial arts unless she's uber old? and considering the feats that chracters like iron fist, captain america, and daredevil have against outworldy opponents.. is it not logical to say that earth may just have the best martial arts regardless?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If I'm a master of Karate, I'm still a master of Karate even if someone insists on teaching it under the name Tril'oik... aren't I?
Originally posted by jinzinSo, your completely ignoring a feat, just because of the writer?
no...
Originally posted by jinzinOh, so we don't use rules in debates anymore?
we're not talking about rules we're talking about rationale on what's acceptable to use.. stop copping out.
Isn't pis also rational?
Originally posted by jinzinBut, if he is on the same fighting ability as Gamora, then shouldn't he be as good, claws, or no claws?
no one made that claim.
Originally posted by jinzinCop out indeed. or is it a cop out to just say cop out?
"even with the claws (minus what he's done) he would still get stomped"- again.. cop out.
Originally posted by jinzinThanos doesn't have too many feats against blades (I'll give you that).
here we go again.. prove that thanos can't be stabbed by admantium blades...
Also, Thanos, traveling through the nexus of realities, kind of makes that feat of Wolverine retarded.
Originally posted by jinzinThe Power Gem you mean?
infinity gauntlet... 😐
Originally posted by jinzinhttp://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theinfinitygauntlet0420jm8.jpg
he got mad... which is more than he did when namor and hulk were working on him... and he got hit from a sneak attack... not much time to defend himself.. wolverine did the same thing to titanus remember?
Yes, sneak attack. Still, it did nothing.
Also, in the same comic, Thanos lets everyone hit him.
The only one he didn't was Surfer, and that was because he didn't want to IG to get stolen.
If your even going to say that Thanos was trying/couldn't avoid Wolverine, then you are basically saying that Wolverine>>>lightyear speedblitz, going that speed in a couple of seconds.
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine has never put down Thanos. He hasn't even came close.
uhhh I'm not the one tangenting.. you are....i brought up thanos as an example of people out of gamera's league that wolverine put down.. what you aren't considering is context.. what you aren't considering is power sets.. they differ greatly when considering those feats as opposed to wolverine vs. gamera.. that's why it was brought up.. you can bring up gamera avoiding thor, and maxam, and holding up to thanos all you like but it doesn't prove that she can do that to extremely talented fighters on the level of these guys.. it's that simple.
Thanos is a showing that should right away put her over Wolverine, but no to you right?
She fought Thanos, Wolverine cheap shotted Thanos, and now people use this as an example as to why Wolverine could possibly beat Thanos in h2h?
Also, Thor isn't a good fighter?
How does avoiding Thor, not prove she could avoid a lot of Wolverine's attacks?
If both Thor and Thanos have failed to hit her, I really, really, don't see how Wolverine is going to tag her.
The only thing your holding onto is Gamora/Wolverine's fight, and ignoring everything else.
Originally posted by jinzinNo, it's my Thanos surviving far worse, than anything Wolverine could ever do, vs you believing that one feat...
see.. i get us back to the point and you want to go tangenting again....anti force and black hole does not = logans claws...
again show me thatt thanos is invulberable to admantium claws and then we'll have a debate.. right now however all we've got are my facts versus your speculation.
Would a planet busting attack possibly do more than Wolverine can do in one area with his claws?
Doesn't a black hole rip at everything that comes in there?
I thought this was kind of funny though...
Originally posted by jinzinLogan's claws can do more than a black hole.
anti force and black hole does not = logans claws...
Also, 6 swords (basically), can do more than black holes?
Originally posted by jinzinUmm, I'm trying to figure out how Wolverine was able to cut off Magneto's head.
doh
what part about CONTEXT are you not following? seriously.... just say what it is and I'll draw you out a map in crayon... 🙂
Originally posted by jinzinHer's were fighting skills, his was stabbing Thing.
so has logan.
Originally posted by jinzinSo, he who is faster, a better fighter, better agility, has stabbed Thing?
no one offf the top of my head.. but again with claws.. and wolverine HAS claws in this fight..he's done that too... twice..
Originally posted by jinzinYa, she crushes them.
not imo.
Originally posted by jinzinYa, he does, and this makes all of it truthful?
sorry but wolverine fights EVERYBODY.. were have you been? 😬
Originally posted by jinzinWe have also supposedly seen (I haven't) Wolverine fight Loki, so lets use that as well... end of story.
IT HAPPENED IN THE COMICS... this isn't about what I believe it's nowhere near that personal.. it's all about WHAT HAPPENS... so far what we've seen HAPPEN is wolverine stalemate gamera.. end of story.
You haven't answered my question:
What issue was this, when he fought Wolverine?
We have also seen Spider-Man put down Firelord... end of story!
That is what happened in the comics, so why don't we just eat that shit up as well?
Originally posted by jinzinYes, what Surfer has attacked Thanos once, and that got broken up by Strange.
which isn't evenn close to impressive... considering that norrin rads put the boots to him on several occasions using h2h skills.. and he's almost been beat down by rhino.. his h2h capabilities are pathetic...
On the other hand... Thanos has beaten him to near death with his fists.
Also, we have Rhino getting beat by Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.
But, Surfer can't fight him in h2h?
Also, Surfer beat him in that anyway.
I guess your also forgetting when a weak Surfer beat Classic Abomination in h2h (then finished him with a mind whammy), or when he put down Super Skrull, taking off a huge chunk of face with a punch.
Of course, Surfer's skills are pathetic, based on one showing where he won anyway.
Originally posted by jinzinSo, we have no other feats from Gamora to go on, except the Wolverine fight?
until proven otherwise.. yes.
Originally posted by bigbrannever said I was ignoring it... I have however claimed that it's a horrible example to use for anything due to the writers ADMITTED bias... do you not understand that? he purposely neglects character traits to suit his own bias.. he's even said so.
So, your completely ignoring a feat, just because of the writer?
Originally posted by bigbranI didn't say we shouldn't use rules either. 🤨 you're jumping to conclusions here like a damned grasshopper on crack.. I said that we aren't talking about rules.. and we're not.. we're talking semantics... wolverine's low end feats in that arch, REGUARDLESS of opinion are not a suitable example of PIS.. since the stupidity of that wasn't nessessary for the plot, but rather the bias of the writer.. that's entirely different from what we think of when we think of PIS... and no I never said that you can't use that arch to downplay what daredevil did, but if you accept that, then you have to accept that wolverine: can get his entire torso and legs blown completely away (to the skeleton) and remain concious, get his face shot off by punisher without even slowing down in a fight, get run over by a steam roller and remain concious, get sent accross a state border by a hulk punch and immediately get back to his feet boarding the next train to the fight.... Do you not see how that story suffers from polarization in how wolverine's portrayed.. why would dd's hit have more effect than an lcd rocket that blows him away to the skeleton? that's why I call for consistency.. the whole ennis thing was a tangent as I said before.
Oh, so we don't use rules in debates anymore?
Aren't you basically using a rule to downplay Daredevil doing this, and making it not useable?
"WBIS".
Originally posted by bigbran
Isn't pis also rational?
no pis tends to be irrational..
Originally posted by bigbranno one said they were of the same fighting ability.. though stats would support that argument... in any case, gamera trains to fight without admantium claws where as wolverine primarily trains to fight using them... it's like ryonikenshin... he's a master swordsmen and can kick anyone's ass with a blade.. but his h2h skills sans the sword are not very impressive.. it's all about the type of fighting he's trained to engage in.
But, if he is on the same fighting ability as Gamora, then shouldn't he be as good, claws, or no claws? If he is ony as good with his claws, then what happened to all of his fighting abilities?
Originally posted by bigbranIt's a cop out to dismiss what the character has done so that you can THINK you have a better argument than you do.
Cop out indeed. or is it a cop out to just say cop out?
Originally posted by bigbrannope, I pretty much feel thanos and drax would both beat wolverine in a fight... but that's not because they're incredible h2h technicians... more to do with the fact that they can both cremate him.
Also... so you feel he wouldn't get stomped against Thanos, Drax, etc?
Jeeze, I had no idea, Wolverine got upgraded that much.
Originally posted by bigbranlike long pig said earlier.. I don't have that big a problem with it.. he's been retconned to be able to pierce hulk... and SHOWN to stab/cut thanos.. TWICE... as I've said before.. it doesn't so much have to do with the strength of wolverine as much as the blade... and the blade does matter.. wolverine's made several references to shocked onlookers who are baffled by "what kind of blade could slice through mahogony like it was wet paper", "cuts through titanium like a hot knife through butter". clearly his claws aren't comparible to ANYTHING we have here in the real world.. so your comparison's moot.
Thanos doesn't have too many feats against blades (I'll give you that).Do you believe though, that Wolverine honestly has the strength to stab through Thanos?
It doesn't matter how sharp they are, it would be like trying to push a knife through solid brick.
Sure you can do it, but not if you don't have enough strength to do so.
Originally posted by bigbranI didn't say I think wolverine could have killed thanos... 🤨
The Power Gem you mean?
Also, Thanos has complete control over his body to a molecule structure, this blow wouldn't have killed Thanos.
I find it redicules for you to think that Wolverine could have killed Thanos.
I just thought I should point out again that Gamora has received an upgrade just prior to Annihilation. Besides her deadly HtH skills, she also boasts superhuman speed (including a speedster showings against Ronan the Accuser and Terrax the Tamer), strength, energy projection, and durability (enough to allow her to casually shake off being dipped in lava). She also possesses the godslayer blade, with which she has apparently killed gods (natch).
Her combat skills should have made her a threat to Wolverine before. Her "cosmic makeover" puts her way above Logan's league. She should now take him 8/10, IMO.
Originally posted by bigbranbecause he had the IG...
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theinfinitygauntlet0420jm8.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theinfinitygauntlet0421ug6.jpgYes, sneak attack. Still, it did nothing.
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, in the same comic, Thanos lets everyone hit him.
the word "lets" is somewhat ambiguous considering the circumstances.. yeah he gave them a chance to fight him.. but let them hit him? more like he got jumped when he tried to fight fair... regaurdless.. he didn't reduce his durability and my reasoning for bringing up the example in the first place still stands... I MEANT to show that out of context... not my fault you can't follow trains of thought.
Originally posted by bigbranlol.. what part of SNEAK ATTACK didn't you get? thanos wasn't ready for it.. he's fighting other people when it happens... he turns around and BAM... he got nailed... wolverine doesn't have to be faster than lightspeed to hit thanos...
If your even going to say that Thanos was trying/couldn't avoid Wolverine, then you are basically saying that Wolverine>>>lightyear speedblitz, going that speed in a couple of seconds.
Originally posted by bigbranno one said he did...
Wolverine has never put down Thanos. He hasn't even came close
Originally posted by bigbranuhhh so what? did you see who else was on his team? thor, hulk, namor, firelord, silver surfer, dr. doom, adam warlock... of course wolverine is one of the least likely to land the killing blow on thanos out of that group... 😕
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinevsthanosfb7.jpg
Originally posted by bigbranit's not moot.. you don't even understand why I brought it up in the first place, how can you call it moot?
And he never did make this death blow, so that point of Wolverine doing this is moot.
Originally posted by bigbranno sparring with a lax thanos in a h2h competition doesn't make her >>> IMO.. don't get mad at me cause I don't have a hard-on for the mad titan like most do around here.. the fact is thanos is just not an impressive technical fighter..
Thanos is a showing that should right away put her over Wolverine, but no to you right?
Originally posted by bigbranno it's used as an example of why you need to include context when you bring up feats like the ones you are.. as srank already pointed out, you're being disengenuine..
She fought Thanos, Wolverine cheap shotted Thanos, and now people use this as an example as to why Wolverine could possibly beat Thanos in h2h?
Originally posted by bigbranno one said that either...
Also, Thor isn't a good fighter?
but he's certainly not as technical as people like wolverine or captain america... etc etc.
Originally posted by bigbranthey're not comparible.. maybe that's why..
How does avoiding Thor, not prove she could avoid a lot of Wolverine's attacks?
Originally posted by bigbranwhy not? wolverine at his best and in his first appearance fought both hulk and wendigo at the same time and neither beast laid one solitary finger on the canuk... guess gamera can't hit logan either right?
If both Thor and Thanos have failed to hit her, I really, really, don't see how Wolverine is going to tag her.
Originally posted by bigbranI'm not ignoring everything else... I just don't see how anything else you posted is relievant as all the characters she's done well against are not comparible to wolverine.. you on the other hand are igoring the only feat that matters here.
The only thing your holding onto is Gamora/Wolverine's fight, and ignoring everything else.
Originally posted by bigbranno it's you tangenting.. and contiunuing to do so... but I digress.
No, it's my Thanos surviving far worse, than anything Wolverine could ever do, vs you believing that one feat...
Originally posted by bigbrandepends on the KIND of durability.. thor can take planet busters but a bullet to the noggin can knock him out..
Would a planet busting attack possibly do more than Wolverine can do in one area with his claws?
Originally posted by bigbranno it pulverized him.. like boxers do... black holes are more about crushing than ripping.
Doesn't a black hole rip at everything that comes in there? I thought this was kind of funny though... Logan's claws can do more than a black hole.
The black hole cut him up (Thanos), that proves it was doing some sort of piercing damage.
Originally posted by bigbranyou still don't even get why i brought it up.. do you?
Umm, I'm trying to figure out how Wolverine was able to cut off Magneto's head.
If you want to mention a feat, then expect to answer it, instead of being a dick about it when someone questions it.
Originally posted by bigbranso all the dodging and running and hopping that preluded to one shot AREN'T a part of wolverine's fighting skills? and her's was a cheap shot at that...
Her's were fighting skills, his was stabbing Thing.
I'm not saying he doesn't have skills, but all he did was stab/slash Thing, she used a pressure point to take him out.
Originally posted by bigbranyou assume...
Ya, she crushes them..
Originally posted by bigbranuhhh yeah.. characters are defined by what they do.. 😕
Ya, he does, and this makes all of it truthful?
Originally posted by bigbranin comparison to gamera fighting higher people.. ignoring that wolverine does fight both..
I was using an example of Wolverine fighting lower people.
Originally posted by bigbranactually it was cap that fought loki.. and again in SPITE of loki's POWER.. using skills in a raw hand to hand battle why would loki have an advantage over cap? loki's a good swordfighter and that's about it... he's never.. EVER displayed the feats of skills that every street level and their grandma produce on the daily.. you're just edging closer to my whole point here.. LOTS OF POWER does not equal a good FIGHTER...
We have also supposedly seen (I haven't) Wolverine fight Loki, so lets use that as well... end of story.
Originally posted by bigbranI told you I don't know. it's in the respect thrad check it out..
You haven't answered my question:
What issue was this, when he fought Wolverine?
Originally posted by bigbrancause most people read the stories instead of ignoring context like you're doing.. 😕
We have also seen Spider-Man put down Firelord... end of story!
That is what happened in the comics, so why don't we just eat that shit up as well?
Originally posted by bigbranthey've fought tons back in the 80's
Yes, what Surfer has attacked Thanos once, and that got broken up by Strange.
I don't recall this being several occasions.
Originally posted by bigbranand ss also toppled thanos...
On the other hand... Thanos has beaten him to near death with his fists.
Originally posted by bigbrancause he's not a hand to hand specialist... again power doesn't = skills. you need to drill that into your skull.
Also, we have Rhino getting beat by Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.
But, Surfer can't fight him in h2h?.
Originally posted by bigbrandue to power not skills.
Also, Surfer beat him in that anyway.
Originally posted by bigbranBECAUSE OF POWER not skills.
I guess your also forgetting when a weak Surfer beat Classic Abomination in h2h (then finished him with a mind whammy), or when he put down Super Skrull, taking off a huge chunk of face with a punch.
Originally posted by bigbranit's a stated fact.. look at his h2h fights he gets owned by people like namor, and rhino... he wins fights due to POWER no skills.
Of course, Surfer's skills are pathetic, based on one showing where he won anyway..
Originally posted by bigbrannone that matter YET... you need to find COMPARIBLE feats for them to matter.. you haven't so they don't.. pretty simple concept.
So, we have no other feats from Gamora to go on, except the Wolverine fight?
As long as it happened in a comic, no other feats matter?
Originally posted by Acrosurgethat sounds reasonable to me.
I just thought I should point out again that Gamora has received an upgrade just prior to Annihilation. Besides her deadly HtH skills, she also boasts superhuman speed (including a speedster showings against Ronan the Accuser and Terrax the Tamer), strength, energy projection, and durability (enough to allow her to casually shake off being dipped in lava). She also possesses the godslayer blade, with which she has apparently killed gods (natch).Her combat skills should have made her a threat to Wolverine before. Her "cosmic makeover" puts her way above Logan's league. She should now take him 8/10, IMO.
Originally posted by Jyppe
No, there are different kinds of pressure point attacks.Pressure: The baroreceptor in the carotid artery is pressure-sensitive, allowing the body to control the bloodflow into the brain. Pressure against this region will 'trick' the body into thinking that blood pressure is too high, and thus will constrict and lower blood pressure - which can cause blackout. Striking veins and arteries can also cause them to shut or tear, both of which will definitely cause black-out and possible death if not treated immediately.
And if you want to belive in Chi (In comics, it does exist) That pressure point attacks alter the current of this natural bio energy, with consequences. The throat strike could have been a one which affects his natural "chi", and we really can't tell wether it was just a jab to the throat as we can't really rely on what the artist draws.
Anyway, I'm not sure how Wolverine can "heal" his nerves as some pressure point attacks fool the nerve without doing much, or any damage and have other consequences.
It's hilarious that you tell me to read up on pressure points when you clearly have no idea about them.
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Jinzin - Still up for the debate wether Deathverine was enhanced or not..?
damaging nerves and tissue is still damage to the body. It would heal instantly the whole chi thing just a load of bull. Damage is damage pressure points cause damage to the body though it slight damage ti still damage to the body which a healing factor will heal. also DD hit the adam apple which is aparent from the issue. actaully I know more about pressure point then you my friend.
Originally posted by jinzinThe writer might have said this, but what matters is what happened in the comics.
never said I was ignoring it... I have however claimed that it's a horrible example to use for anything due to the writers ADMITTED bias... do you not understand that? he purposely neglects character traits to suit his own bias.. he's even said so.
Not everyone knows about what goes on in the writer worlds, so your example doesn’t work this way, and most people who see it anyway, would see it as pis anyway.
I know that was pis, but I’m trying to get you to admit it.
Originally posted by jinzinYou said we weren't talking about rules when I brought it up...
I didn't say we shouldn't use rules either. 🤨 you're jumping to conclusions here like a damned grasshopper on crack.. I said that we aren't talking about rules.. and we're not.. we're talking semantics... wolverine's low end feats in that arch, REGUARDLESS of opinion are not a suitable example of PIS.. since the stupidity of that wasn't nessessary for the plot, but rather the bias of the writer.. that's entirely different from what we think of when we think of PIS... and no I never said that you can't use that arch to downplay what daredevil did, but if you accept that, then you have to accept that wolverine: can get his entire torso and legs blown completely away (to the skeleton) and remain concious, get his face shot off by punisher without even slowing down in a fight, get run over by a steam roller and remain concious, get sent accross a state border by a hulk punch and immediately get back to his feet boarding the next train to the fight.... Do you not see how that story suffers from polarization in how wolverine's portrayed.. why would dd's hit have more effect than an lcd rocket that blows him away to the skeleton? that's why I call for consistency.. the whole ennis thing was a tangent as I said before.
Ok, about the feats… my take.
Why would getting his legs basically cut off, KO him? His healing factor also helps against this.
Wait, I thought that Wolverine could dodge bullets, and catch them, and take them like nothing. How would he get his face ripped off?
How would a steamroller actually fulfill it’s job to Wolverine? It can’t break his skeleton.
Good feat, but we have also seen Hulk give him less, and take Wolverine out of the fight.
Doesn’t he have to heal from getting his skeleton blown away?
Also, isn’t pis about inconsistency?
Originally posted by jinzinWhy?
no pis tends to be irrational..
Originally posted by jinzinBut, Wolverine stills trains without his claws too.
no one said they were of the same fighting ability.. though stats would support that argument... in any case, gamera trains to fight without admantium claws where as wolverine primarily trains to fight using them... it's like ryonikenshin... he's a master swordsmen and can kick anyone's ass with a blade.. but his h2h skills sans the sword are not very impressive.. it's all about the type of fighting he's trained to engage in.
Also, about this guy, Wolverine is still a master supposedly, at a bunch of martial arts, and not all of them can include claws.
He still has good fighting skills without his claws.
Originally posted by jinzin😆 I don't think I have a great arguement, but I do disagree with you, so that is enough to keep up this debate, nothing more.
It's a cop out to dismiss what the character has done so that you can THINK you have a better argument than you do.
Originally posted by jinzinUmm, Thanos shot blasts at Gamora.
nope, I pretty much feel thanos and drax would both beat wolverine in a fight... but that's not because they're incredible h2h technicians... more to do with the fact that they can both cremate him.
Plus, even if Thanos wasn't that good in h2h, I find it hard to believe that he couldn't beat Wolverine in that aspect.
Originally posted by jinzin
like long pig said earlier.. I don't have that big a problem with it.. he's been retconned to be able to pierce hulk... and SHOWN to stab/cut thanos.. TWICE... as I've said before.. it doesn't so much have to do with the strength of wolverine as much as the blade... and the blade does matter.. wolverine's made several references to shocked onlookers who are baffled by "what kind of blade could slice through mahogony like it was wet paper", "cuts through titanium like a hot knife through butter". clearly his claws aren't comparible to ANYTHING we have here in the real world.. so your comparison's moot.
Wait, when were these two times he cut Thanos?
I know he did it in a fan voted, non-canon crossover, and he did it in IG.
Also, what is titanium to Thanos?
I know adamantium could pierce him, but what I have an extremely hard time putting together, is how Wolverine had the strength to do so.
Hasn't even Colossus not been penetrated by this?
Originally posted by jinzinNo, he had the Power Gem in that fight, go back and read the thing, and see that he turned off all of his other powers.
I didn't say I think wolverine could have killed thanos... 🤨
I said that I think thanos had no cuts because he had the infinity gauntlet. he was a damned god with that thing. it's ridiculous to think that he'd have been totally unscathed otherwise. his suit isn't impenitrable... 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
it's ridiculous to think that he'd have been totally unscathed otherwise. his suit isn't impenitrable... 😕
Also, no his suit isn't unbreakable.
It has only been cut up a could times, by people like Tyrant, Galactus, Omega, black hole.
We are talking about durability here also, and along with his suit, he is pretty damn durable.
Also, since you keep saying that he had the whole IG, his suit wasn't penetrated when he fought all the abstracts, but then Wolverine was able to do it?
Originally posted by jinzinYes, he did have the the Power Gem.
because he had the IG...
And no, this doesn't save him from dieing.
The Power Gem only amps his durability and strength, however, if Wolverine somehow, was able to penetrate this, then he would be able to penetrate the most powerful source of strength and durability in the universe... there is nothing about it saving him.
He already somehow managed to get past his durability, so what does the PG have to do with the rest?
Originally posted by jinzinYa the Power Gem gives him durability and strength, but he wanted to make the fight look fair.
the word "lets" is somewhat ambiguous considering the circumstances.. yeah he gave them a chance to fight him.. but let them hit him? more like he got jumped when he tried to fight fair... regaurdless.. he didn't reduce his durability and my reasoning for bringing up the example in the first place still stands... I MEANT to show that out of context... not my fault you can't follow trains of thought.
Also, find me one time when he dodges someone (besides Surfer). He wanted to impress Death, and the best way to do that, is to make it look fair. He could have just destroyed all of them, but no, he stood in the middle, and let them hit him.
Originally posted by jinzinWell, there was no showing between the two panels. One Wolverine was like 30 feet away, and the next, he stabbed Thanos.
lol.. what part of SNEAK ATTACK didn't you get? thanos wasn't ready for it.. he's fighting other people when it happens... he turns around and BAM... he got nailed... wolverine doesn't have to be faster than lightspeed to hit thanos...
My point is, if Thanos even got a glimpse of Wolverine, that Thanos could/should have easily been able to dodge that attack.
Originally posted by jinzinUmm… Death blow, jinzin?
no one said he did...
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine never did land that killing blow, if you can plainly read, he never did.
uhhh so what? did you see who else was on his team? thor, hulk, namor, firelord, silver surfer, dr. doom, adam warlock... of course wolverine is one of the least likely to land the killing blow on thanos out of that group... 😕
Originally posted by jinzinYa it is.
it's not moot.. you don't even understand why I brought it up in the first place, how can you call it moot?
Did you bring it up to show that Wolverine can stand up to people on the level that Gamora fights?
Well, Gamora fights those people all the time. Wolverine's feat switch between street level, mid tier, top tier, cosmic, and abstract. A very consistent character...
Gamora always stays at cosmic.
Originally posted by jinzinwell, if everyone threw insults into there debate for no reason, it could make them look like a dick...
no sparring with a lax thanos in a h2h competition doesn't make her >>> IMO.. don't get mad at me cause I don't have a hard-on for the mad titan like most do around here.. the fact is thanos is just not an impressive technical fighter..
Ok.
Thanos danced around Champion (supposedly best h2h fighter). Champion couldn't even hit him.
Thanos beat the most dangerous army in the universe, in h2h.
Thanos spent more time then Wolverine is in age, training in the darkest corner of the universe, honing his h2h skills.
Originally posted by jinzinExcept that Gamora does that every time she appears. Wolverine ranges from Deadpool, to supposedly Thanos.
no it's used as an example of why you need to include context when you bring up feats like the ones you are.. as srank already pointed out, you're being disengenuine..
Originally posted by jinzinWell, you basically implied it.
no one said that either...
Originally posted by jinzinHe is faster in combat.
but he's certainly not as technical as people like wolverine or captain america... etc etc.
Originally posted by jinzinNo, I forgot how Wolverine could attack in a straight line at 3x lightspeed. How he could carve out a mountain side at faster than the eye can see.
they're not comparible.. maybe that's why..
Originally posted by jinzinExcept Hulk, and Wendigo aren't on a level as Thor in fighting skills...
why not? wolverine at his best and in his first appearance fought both hulk and wendigo at the same time and neither beast laid one solitary finger on the canuk... guess gamera can't hit logan either right?
Originally posted by jinzinThanos, once again. Thor, he may not be as good as fighter, but he is faster than Wolverine. Ronin.
I'm not ignoring everything else... I just don't see how anything else you posted is relievant as all the characters she's done well against are not comparible to wolverine.. you on the other hand are igoring the only feat that matters here.
Originally posted by jinzinYour only evidence, is Wolverine fighting Gamora.
no it's you tangenting.. and contiunuing to do so... but I digress.
Originally posted by jinzinYa, a bullet to the head...
depends on the KIND of durability.. thor can take planet busters but a bullet to the noggin can knock him out..
wonder woman can be hit out of orbit but a blade can cut through her.
hulk can take planet busters but logan stabs and cuts him on a routine basis... that's why we need more proof of thanos vs. blades.. comic book durability is a funny thing.. and again planet busters not = to claws.. they're different types of attacks, they inflict different types of damage.
Could it be becuase the blade is being swung by people on her levels of strength?
And it is harder than steel.
Wait, has Hulk ever fought Wolverine when he is as angry as he is when he takes planet busters?
Hulk has also been stabbed by Deadpool, and impaled by a street sign.
He sure as hell wasn't angry when this happened.
Originally posted by jinzinStill, should do more piercing damage than the claws!!
no it pulverized him.. like boxers do... black holes are more about crushing than ripping.
Originally posted by jinzinIf I was right earlier... than basically your saying that the Gamora is on a Wolverine level, and everything else is pis.
you still don't even get why i brought it up.. do you?
Originally posted by jinzinWell, than why the hell did you argue about taking away Wolverine's claws and doing all that she has?
so all the dodging and running and hopping that preluded to one shot AREN'T a part of wolverine's fighting skills? and her's was a cheap shot at that...
Ya, but how long do you think it would take for her to get an opening and do the exact same thing that she did?
Originally posted by jinzinNo, she does.
you assume...
Originally posted by jinzinOk, good.
uhhh yeah.. characters are defined by what they do.. 😕
Originally posted by jinzinYa, and the only low person that Gamora has really fought was Wolverine.
in comparison to gamera fighting higher people.. ignoring that wolverine does fight both..
Originally posted by jinzinOK, its a good thing you neglected to mention that they fought in h2h. You said that he fought Loki.
actually it was cap that fought loki.. and again in SPITE of loki's POWER.. using skills in a raw hand to hand battle why would loki have an advantage over cap? loki's a good swordfighter and that's about it... he's never.. EVER displayed the feats of skills that every street level and their grandma produce on the daily.. you're just edging closer to my whole point here.. LOTS OF POWER does not equal a good FIGHTER...
Originally posted by jinzinI might.
I told you I don't know. it's in the respect thrad check it out..
Originally posted by jinzinOK, so now your saying I didn't read the story...
cause most people read the stories instead of ignoring context like you're doing.. 😕
Spider-Man beat Firelord (I don't care what he said in that fight, he still shouldn't have been beaten), so based on your logic, Spider-Man can beat him again.
Originally posted by jinzinOh, good. Surfer still gets embaressed almost everytime they fight, 'cept once.
they've fought tons back in the 80's
Originally posted by jinzinWhen?
and ss also toppled thanos...
Originally posted by jinzinExcept, that Surfer does have h2h feats.
cause he's not a hand to hand specialist... again power doesn't = skills. you need to drill that into your skull.
Originally posted by jinzinDue to strength. Still, even with his powers, that was retarded.
due to power not skills.
Originally posted by jinzin
BECAUSE OF POWER not skills.
Originally posted by jinzinNamor is a good fighter though.
it's a stated fact.. look at his h2h fights he gets owned by people like namor, and rhino... he wins fights due to POWER no skills.
Originally posted by jinzinThanos? Ronin?
none that matter YET... you need to find COMPARIBLE feats for them to matter.. you haven't so they don't.. pretty simple concept.
Also, Gamora's healing factor is as good as Wolverine's, based on what Wolverine said.
Originally posted by capt it up
damaging nerves and tissue is still damage to the body. It would heal instantly the whole chi thing just a load of bull. Damage is damage pressure points cause damage to the body though it slight damage ti still damage to the body which a healing factor will heal. also DD hit the adam apple which is aparent from the issue. actaully I know more about pressure point then you my friend.
But... You don't have to damage the nerves, the veins, anything inorder to cause damage to the body. You can easily stimulate nerves withtout damaging them, to do something. You could strike veins (Without damagin them) but the veins would still get blocked and the blood flow would be cancelled.
Powerful nerve strikes would cause damage to the nerves, but more gentle, manipulating strikes/presses wouldn't really harm the nerve, they'd just fool the nerves to do something damaging to the body. Ie. block veins.
The whole Chi thing isn't bullsh*t in the comics, go ask Iron Fist. Can't really say anything about the real life. Even though it's certain that some kind of energy does flow through us all the time.
I doubt a healing factor would heal such things as blocked arteries etc. I'm not arguing that DD didn't hit adams apple, but who knows what the writers/artists thought.
You think you know more about Pressure point attacks than me? Yet you clearly had no idea in your first response.
No you clear do not understand. A pressure point is damaging the nerves and also bruising the skinn both of which would be heal instantly if you had a healing fact. Second it was a adam apple pushed in which again is not a pressure point and is clearly damage done to the body. A sword through the throat is far more damaging and harder to heal then a pressure point. Also the sword was left in logans throat.
Lmfao. You clearly can't tell the difference between Pressure point attack and a nerve strike, but what can I except from a Wolverine fan? 🙄
