Hey Brain, you forgot me. I called this fight for Vega before anyone else. Even Terry, Kyo and a few others would be hard pressed to beat Vega in a cage. Iori would take the claw to the chest, hold it there, and then rip Vega's face apart. Kyo would go down unless he could corner Vega. I think Terry could overpower him.
Sorry 'bout that. You did pick the winner 1st. EA posted that long @ss explaination that I was glad to avoid having to type myself. I agree on the Iori part but I think Kyo & Terry would have to corner him somehow to win it. The cage factor gives the cheating psycho an advantage over most people that will be hard to overcome. He practically lives there. Kyo & Terry'd whoop his @ss out on the street though.
Originally posted by Sado22as for the cage...i wasn't ignoring it actually. to me the main bulk of the fight's importance lies with the two people fighting, not so much in the envirnoment.
I have to disagree here and post a long explanation as to why. Enviorment is very important in a fight, depending on where your fighting it can effect your move set. I'll use southern gung fu as an example, un like it's northern counter part. Southern gung fu systems are designed to have mostlyy punches, limited footwork, and short movements. The reason being is because southern china is highly populated. So, most street fights could take place in crowded area's where it's hard to move, you can't use your feet, and there isn't much space. This is how enviorment can effect battles, and in this match we have the cage.
Vega is said to be one of the best cage fighters in spain. In a limited space he can use his agility to blitz ryo and wait him out where ryo cannot hit him. Vega is good at climbing and can use the gate to by time for planning an attack. He has the advantage in offense and can retreat to the top of the cage for defense. If ryo starts is gouged and starts bleeding prefusly. Vega can just climb the cage and wait for him to lose his strength before attacking. So, you see sado, enviorment is important.
Originally posted by Sado22
when its all said and done,i guess opinions is all that matter doesn't it? provided its reasonable. i have reasons to believe that since Ryo is not new to the armed warriors who are agile and fast, and that he has projectiles and bone rattling attacks, and even a really fast instant KO/kill move move, a super fast projectile and a chain attack super that moves like a blur gives Ryo an edge that can prove to be the decisive factor.later dude.
~Sado
But ryo's range is limited, with the exception of his projectiles. Also, experience in weapons doesn't mean he can beat vega who excells with his weapon. Weapons in the world of street fighter are very common, I assume anyone who street fights often wil be familiar with vega. Also, vega is actively street fights because he loves it, I don't think I've heard ryo street fighting as often.
I have to disagree here and post a long explanation as to why. Enviorment is very important in a fight, depending on where your fighting it can effect your move set. I'll use southern gung fu as an example, un like it's northern counter part. Southern gung fu systems are designed to have mostlyy punches, limited footwork, and short movements. The reason being is because southern china is highly populated. So, most street fights could take place in crowded area's where it's hard to move, you can't use your feet, and there isn't much space. This is how enviorment can effect battles, and in this match we have the cage.
Vega is said to be one of the best cage fighters in spain. In a limited space he can use his agility to blitz ryo and wait him out where ryo cannot hit him. Vega is good at climbing and can use the gate to by time for planning an attack. He has the advantage in offense and can retreat to the top of the cage for defense. If ryo starts is gouged and starts bleeding prefusly. Vega can just climb the cage and wait for him to lose his strength before attacking. So, you see sado, enviorment is important.
later dude.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
agreed. however, i didn't say it is NOt important. now think about this:
-haohshikoken is suppossed to be very large and very fast. and what's more he does it by just standing there.
The amount of time needed to charge up that particular attack will effect Ryo's gaurd. Also, throwing out random haoshiokens will take it's toll on his stamina.
Originally posted by Sado22
-ichigekihisastsu, ryo's strongest move, again requires him to only stand there and what's more not only is it really fast, but also very easy to pull off.
That attack doesn't really have a fast start up like you said but, it does have a long finisher which vega can use to his advantage. If ryo misses he'll just get cut into pieces, and ryo wouldn't want to exert himself so much agianst a guy that uses fatigue to his advantage.
Originally posted by Sado22
-zanretsuzan, also requires him to just stand there. and what's more it serves as not only a normal attack but also an anti-air, a low-mid counter as well as a standing counter.
This move is quick but, its extremely close range. Vega uses his claws to poke his opponents from a far distance. He'll never let ryo get in too close, and if he does he can just climb the cage to rethink his strategy.
Originally posted by Sado22
as for ko-ken and ko-ho he doesn't require too much time to execute them. also, aside from hienshippukyaku and that jumping karate chop move, ryo actually doesn't even need to move around so much. the bulk of his strongest moves have him just stand there.
This is his disadvantage, ryo is not a fast character or mobile either and his moves have wide over exerting strikes. Someone with vega's speed and agility can simply gouge him after each move. Blood loss combined with the fact that ryo's move are very straining will cause him to pass out from fatigue or make a mistake somewhere. There is no solid way for ryo to get a legitamate hit on vega unless he waits him out. Ryo, lacks powerful anti-airs, and against an aerial fighter like vega he's in a major disadvantage.
Originally posted by Sado22
that is why i think the envirnoment won't be too much of a big deal for ryo since he doesn't actually require to move around. and what's more the moves that HE WILL need to put out Vega are not "cramped" in this envirnoment and in fact serve him perfectly well.
Not really, sado. all the moves you named will give vega an advantage,as I already explained before. standinmg still will get you killed against vega. Not to mention, Ryo lacks real powerful anti-airs.Throwing out random moves is what vega wants. Ryo's moves are very exerting, since there meant to be powerful solid strikes backed up by rooted stances (Horse stance). That won't help agains't an opponent who will play keep away and loves indirect fighting. The momentum vega gets during a barcelona drop plus his leg power make that particular attack deadly. Vega waits to the last minute before he strikes, a recklesss sho-ken will get him inzuna'd.
Haoshishken, against aguy who can fly from wall to wall is really good way to get you maxed out. Ryo, already doesn't excel in mobility, his moves demonstre that. So, he needs as much energy as he can retain in order to evade. He can't counter barcelno drop with a haoshikoken,since it's very deceptive and to fast. Also, while he's chargeing up said attack, his movement is limited more so than it already is. Vega, is great at aerial combat, if he misses or miscalculates he's dead.
Ryo could use a bit more attention IMO. of course, being the jackass that falcoon is he makes Ryo look strong against Terry by having him smack Terry around in the opeining of MI2 (KoF 2006). that was bull. everyother character was going even but nooooooooooo....he has to make Ryo look stronger. wtf? and Ryo is not even half as popular as Terry. they're making things go from bad to worse with some of the plot "twists".
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
Ryo could use a bit more attention IMO. of course, being the jackass that falcoon is he makes Ryo look strong against Terry by having him smack Terry around in the opeining of MI2 (KoF 2006). that was bull. everyother character was going even but nooooooooooo....he has to make Ryo look stronger. wtf? and Ryo is not even half as popular as Terry. they're making things go from bad to worse with some of the plot "twists".~Sado
Smack ryo around, they both hit each other once. Falcoon actually boguht kof back to south town, I should think him. Versus playmore which is busy reinventing the orochi arc, sigh.
not really. i know the intro by heart (cuz i was that pissed!):
terry punches Ryo with a hard straigth punch. Ryo staggers and is visibly groggy. Terry taunts him with "come on" and gets in stance. Ryos spits and comes punches Terry with a straight of his own, which crushes Terry's guard. he does a few kicks and does a high side kick that nicks terry forehead and makes him bleed (and knocks off his cap). Ryo attacks more with punches and chops, which terry ducks and dodges. then he does a spinkick which hits Terry (or Terry blocks couldn't tell thanks to the stupid camera angle) and then Ryo does ko-ho which smacks Terry all the way to the lamp post which bends on impact. Terry sinks to his hands and feet, coughing blood. looks up, obviously a little ticked, and rolls to avoid hien-shippukyaku. Ryo falls in his stance. Terry gets in his stance.
Ryo was on the offensive all the time with Terry doing the blocking and dodging....not to mention getting his ass smacked across the screen. how is that NOT making them look even?
**** falcoon.
~Sado
Hes already got it early on, unlike Ryu. Talking about a character that doesnt move forward.
And Sado, dont be pissed. It was cleary the sun.
~Sado
P.S. always nice to see you tear Capcom fans a new one. *hats off*
Originally posted by olympianHe already "had it"? Yeah, he had it until they realized that ALL of SNKs heroes are better and more original than he is & that he sux more than getting shot @. He got it during the "let's try to make $$ by being like Capcom insted of being original like we will in the future" days. Ryu's a star. He don't really need to move forward much. (I'd like to see others more in the spotlight though) Ryo's a has been & he only seems to shine a lil' bit when there's nobody established around(I think the gai might have won that anyway) or when he's not looking useless against Mignon Bert(Ryo had veeeeeeeery little screentime in those MI books and none in the MI anime) or when Terry's got mercy for him and sun in his eyes🙂
Hes already got it early on, unlike Ryu. Talking about a character that doesnt move forward.
Originally posted by Sado22Ryu's character is a crazy guy obsessed w/fighting & There's not too many people that care about Ryo's backstory. When's the next AOF coming out?😆 I'd be more like Ryo 'cause he has King. Although it is weird that he never got her pregnant. I'm beginning to think he doesn't want Robert to get w/his sister because he wants him all to himself. 🙂
agreed. Ryo actually has a backstory (that makes sense) at least in his own series. AoF1, he's looking for his sister. AoF2, he's there for vengeance. AoF3, though not central, he's helping out a friend, robert. he actually has personality and character and more to him than Ryu. that i will say.
Originally posted by olympian
Hes already got it early on, unlike Ryu. Talking about a character that doesnt move forward.And Sado, dont be pissed. It was cleary the sun.
That's because ryu dedicates himself only to fighting and ascetics. Of course his plot will be limited but, at the end of the day he's still better than ryo,lol.
Even though he's not the main character anymore.
He already "had it"? Yeah, he had it until they realized that ALL of SNKs heroes are better and more original than he is & that he sux more than getting shot @. He got it during the "let's try to make $$ by being like Capcom insted of being original like we will in the future" days. Ryu's a star. He don't really need to move forward much. (I'd like to see others more in the spotlight though) Ryo's a has been & he only seems to shine a lil' bit when there's nobody established around(I think the gai might have won that anyway) or when he's not looking useless against Mignon Bert(Ryo had veeeeeeeery little screentime in those MI books and none in the MI anime) or when Terry's got mercy for him and sun in his eyes
Ryu's character is a crazy guy obsessed w/fighting & There's not too many people that care about Ryo's backstory. When's the next AOF coming out? I'd be more like Ryo 'cause he has King. Although it is weird that he never got her pregnant. I'm beginning to think he doesn't want Robert to get w/his sister because he wants him all to himself.
as for king, she'll eventually give Ryo pussy since its obvious that the heir of kyokogen will be their child. till then hold on.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22Your joking right? That lame, bogus ass story, it's so damn boring that even SNK decided to leave it alone. He's all ways been old boring dumb ass Ryo. Ryu has been through stuff, he's fought the darkness with in, he's won fights and lost them, he's been the good guy and bad guy. Ryu may not seem deep on the outside but his story is deep and makes sence. Ryo has done nothing but try and bring glory to his dojo, that's it.
Ryo actually has a backstory (that makes sense) at least in his own series. AoF1, he's looking for his sister. AoF2, he's there for vengeance. AoF3, though not central, he's helping out a friend, robert. he actually has personality and character and more to him than Ryu. that i will say.