Hercules vs. Superman

Hulk does have some feats on Supes's level, such as redirecting a cosmos-destroying blast with a thunderclap, breaking out of a barrier that the Silver Surfer tried to keep him in, destroyed that asteroid 2X the size of Earth, resisting matter-antimatter, ripping apart a wall designed to withstand attacks from Celestials )as was witnessed by a Celestial IIRC), etc.

However, they pretty much waned in quality over the years, so Superman does currently have the more impressive strength feats. Although, who knows, may be they'll be better again after this whole "Planet Hulk" storyline.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman being stronger is based on feats. Hercules claims to have held the earth once, from atlas....but wasn't that also described during drunken boasting?

Wasn't his best feat towing the island of manhattan?

Superman has held black holes and turned the wheels of mageddon. Kal-el is almost ASSUREDLY stronger.

Hit the respect threads.

Superman never held a black hole either. And the size of the weels wasent stated. Its speculative.

Originally posted by Soljer
If a tap from Captain Marvel's magical fist won't knock him out, a tap from Hercules' is gonna do shit-all.

Not to mention, non charged magical fists have hurt Superman and made him bleed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Guys the bottom line is Hercules and never defeated anybody on Supermans level of strength and durability. While Superman deals with Herc. level guys everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Thor, Thor equals, Thypon, never lost against Hulk who can get stronger than any of these, Terminus, Wonder Woman, Wonder Man, post upgrade She Hulk.

Yeah, never. Usual Snoopdawg flawed logic. By the same token Superman sure beats top tiers twice to Sunday doesnt he? Wonder Woman, Captain marvel, Black Adam, Mon-El, Lobo..oh wait. he doesnt.

About the scans showed.

1- Never held the black hole. He stopped it from releasing, so he didnt had to held it in the first place.

2- Small moon? How big was the small moon? Do we know?

3- Planet moving while sunboast.

4- An Erradicator feat isent a Superman feat. Can i use Thor`s feats for Hercules as well?

Acrobatics? Herc has one it. Judo trows? Done. Grappling? Herc is better. Millenia of experience? Herc has it all over.

Hercules takes the majority in a H2H match. Does anyone even think Supes can beat WW in those? Heck the speed is equal here.

Originally posted by Soljer
Have Thor or Herc moved planets? Turned wheels on a ship that dwarfed a solar system? One shotted planets? Held a black hole? Travel at superluminal velocities in a double black hole? Easily toss a small moon? Arm wrestle someone like Ba'al? Lift eternity?

Yeah, lemme know.

1- Planet moving force while armwrestling, shutting down dimensional doors mythical feats. The one problem with it its all high end feats. Same for Superman. What are the odds of that kind of force being exerted in a H2H MATCH?

1. Superman hasent one shot planets.

2- How strong is actually Ba´ll? He seemed even with Superman so...top tier?

3- Pll should actually read the "black hole" feat..

4- Hercules cant "travel" in space because he doesnt fly. What is the point of bringing every random Superman feat here? Only strength, stamina and skills matter.

5- He didnt lifted Eternity. He stopped if from falling with WW. "Eternity" wasent given a weigth either other than being "heavy".

How hard can Hulk punch? AFAIK he can't move his limbs at superhuman speeds (Well, that fast!) Punching usually has more to do with speed and skill.. Hulk can lift alot.. A LOT! But can he punch with the same force? I doubt it. His hits would be invisible to naked eye if he used that much force with his every hit.

On the other hand, these are comics we're talking about.

He usually punches hard enough to hurt top tiers.

Superman doesnt usually punch anyone with earth shaking force, or moon shaking force, either. He usually punches with strength enough to hurt pll on his tier. And when he fails to do, either there is a plot device or its called a low showing (aka, im having a bad day). This is regarded to anyone. Pll often perform at regular levels they are, then above and sometimes below. The writers, often write comic characters similar in that respect.

Punching has to do with strength. How and where to punch in order to hurt the opponent more, now that is more with skills.

*I did made an error tho in my post above. They tried to stop Spectre from falling but couldnt. They probably slowed down the fall, tho*

Instead of knocking Supermans feats Olympian why don't you post some of Hercules feats?

Oh wait...that's cause he has nothing that compares to them. None that actually happened in a comic or that he wasn't "stretching" the truth.

Originally posted by Jyppe
How hard can Hulk punch? AFAIK he can't move his limbs at superhuman speeds (Well, that fast!) Punching usually has more to do with speed and skill.. Hulk can lift alot.. A LOT! But can he punch with the same force? I doubt it. His hits would be invisible to naked eye if he used that much force with his every hit.

On the other hand, these are comics we're talking about.

That was gonna be my point. He does punch as hard as he lifts. Check the Hulk respect thread. The guy who put it together is Johnathanos from SHC, and Devilhulk stole the scans without permission. Johnathanos is, however, very knowledgable hulk-wise.

Originally posted by olympian

1- Never held the black hole. He stopped it from releasing, so he didnt had to held it in the first place.

Originally posted by olympian

2- Small moon? How big was the small moon? Do we know?

Originally posted by olympian

3- Planet moving while sunboast.

Originally posted by olympian

Acrobatics? Herc has one it. Judo trows? Done. Grappling? Herc is better. Millenia of experience? Herc has it all over.

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Superman and Wonder Woman spent a millenia or so fighting in DC Asgard anyway iirc.

Originally posted by olympian
About the scans showed.

1- Never held the black hole. He stopped it from releasing, so he didnt had to held it in the first place.

3- Pll should actually read the "black hole" feat..

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesblackholeJLA77.jpg

Originally posted by olympian

5- He didnt lifted Eternity. He stopped if from falling with WW. "Eternity" wasent given a weigth either other than being "heavy".

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Instead of knocking Supermans feats Olympian why don't you post some of Hercules feats?

Oh wait...that's cause he has nothing that compares to them. None that actually happened in a comic or that he wasn't "stretching" the truth.

Anyone can go to BOTH Hercules capability threads and read them. Haha, this coming from someone who claimed that the Doomsday who fougth SM, Bats and WW at Paradise Island was incredibly durable to explain the power of the HV, that Superman used.

The same Doomsday(`s) that was being chopped by Batman with an axe 😆

Here is what i do with your objective analisys:

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/4716/supesblackholejla77wb5.jpg

Clear? The BH wasent out in the first place. The best you can say is that he managed to deal with the pressure of it *trying* to be fully released. And while its a really good feat, its nothing more than that.

Because you know, its what Superman did and stated.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
.It's still bigger than anything Herc. has ever done all by himself. On panel

He's been stated in comics as being able to move planets. By somebody else other than himself. 😱 You know like how Herc. SAYS he held the Earth.

Herc. spent a Millenia fighting trolls and midgets. Superman fights stuff that would give Herc. a f*cking heart attack.

1- I agree with you. Seemed a bigger feat than shutting down dimensional doors. On panel.

2- Cool. Its been stated and showed that Herc held the Earth. On panel.

3- Yes. Like dealing with Lois everynigth. Off panel.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He did hold it as he says in the scan.
They succeeded in what they set out to do as Spectre said his weight was NEARLY too much for them. If the Spectre would have landed it would have destroyed the Moon and knocked it out of orbit. So yea it's safe to say it's heavy. The thing that sucks about this feat is WW is helping so we don't know who had more of the weight as it was a team effort. Just like most of Hercs. feats.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

At most they slow down the fall. Wich *i* being the scretcher of the truth you say i am, cleary deny.

Originally posted by Soljer
Doubtful, my friend. Very doubtful. I've seen not a single enraged hulk feat that would put him on the level of regular Superman, strength-wise. Sure, the Hulk may have the potential to get there, but he hasn't yet thus far in Marvel Continuity.

Very true. But Marvel has different ideas about strength. A Superman character would appear to be less powerful in a Marvel Universe, while a Hulk/Thor/Hercules character would perform more ludicrous feats more often, in a DC universe.

Originally posted by olympian
They set out to stop the Spectre from falling. They tried. They couldnt as we see him fall. All of that starts with the previous page that ironically you never post.

At most they slow down the fall. Wich *i* being the scretcher of the truth you say i am, cleary deny.

And Superman is stronger and more durable than Herc. I'll give Herc. the skills edge but he won't take a majority over Supes. Maybe Herc. will get 4.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

It says "nearly too much", not too much. So it seems that they lift it at least for a while...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

It says "nearly too much", not too much. So it seems that they lift it at least for a while...

Lol and in both scans green lanterns...................they need to get off their arses and produce!

Here:

http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soulwar28mv4ql.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

"We have to catch him before he.."

Paints his nails. Theyr porpuse was cleary one.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I had the previsous page I would post it. Why don't you post it? Anyways if the Spectre would have landed it would have knocked the Moon out of orbit iirc. Please post it.

And Superman is stronger and more durable than Herc. I'll give Herc. the skills edge but he won't take a majority over Supes. Maybe Herc. will get 4.

If Herk is MORE skilled, and here its at EQUAL speeds, how does he only takes 4 in a H2H MATCH?

Do you honestly think Superman is heaps many stronger than Hercules, or something? Hes not Kurse.

Originally posted by olympian

If Herk is MORE skilled, and here its at EQUAL speeds, how does he only takes 4 in a H2H MATCH?

Do you honestly think Superman is heaps many stronger than Hercules, or something? Hes not Kurse.

In a H2H match? Really?

So in a match where the main qualifier is skills, and you admit the opponent is better, not to mention both being close strengthwise and here at equal speeds, you still give the HUGE nod to the guy with less skills?

Your just thinking of Kurse. Or who knows pre crisis Karate Kid.