Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She's not in their bracet sic but she's in their class?I do believe that's called talking out of your ass.
When she pulls the same stuff SM does and figths equally with him without relying usually on skills and lasso, then she is in the same bracet.
Just for others to know, you can be in the same class but different bracet. Both WW and Hulk are top tier as far as strenght goes, but at different places inside that tier.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I was actually referring to the way in which you were saying things rather than what you were saying but que sera.Wonder Woman is not as strong as Superman. But then neither is Hercules
Shes definatly not as strong as Hercules. Thats general consensus as well.
Just curious: are there any strength feats that, no matter who does them, would just strike you or have struck you as, "Aw, c'mon, no one should be able to do that!"?
I'm not talking, say, a Class 20 character lifting 1000 tons. I mean, pick the strongest hero you can think of: is there any strength feat he/she shouldn't be able to do?
Originally posted by Mindship
Just curious: are there any strength feats that, no matter who does them, would just strike you or have struck you as, "Aw, c'mon, no one should be able to do that!"?I'm not talking, say, a Class 20 character lifting 1000 tons. I mean, pick the strongest hero you can think of: is there any strength feat he/she shouldn't be able to do?
The whole Superman and Black Hole mabob.
Originally posted by Mindship
Just curious: are there any strength feats that, no matter who does them, would just strike you or have struck you as, "Aw, c'mon, no one should be able to do that!"?I'm not talking, say, a Class 20 character lifting 1000 tons. I mean, pick the strongest hero you can think of: is there any strength feat he/she shouldn't be able to do?
Destroying energy by hitting it and punching holes in space-time come to mind as some of the biggest bullshit.
Originally posted by Mindship
Yeah, punching holes through time, crap like that. Good one.
Hulk also was strong enough to bring matter and anti-matter together. You'd have to be able to bench-press a universe to do that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Soljer
Besides the whole "Imbued with Strength greater than Hercules" part, Diana still has more impressive strength feats than Hercules.
Yeah. Not having a feat higher than moon level.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
WW is stronger than Hercules. Atleast DC Herc. anyways. It's been stated in a comic and should not be anymore clear.
The world is such a confusing place.
Originally posted by olympian
What? Your marching against consensus now ? The X marks the Spot no more.Yeah. Not having a feat higher than moon level.
Its also been stated in a comic that DC Hercules held the world alone. Something she couldnt do.
The world is such a confusing place.
Why not? Wonder Woman is explicity stronger than Hercules.
Hercules held a planet? Wonder Woman could do so even easier.
And Superman, even easier than that.
Originally posted by olympianNot really, I'd just dispute there's an overwhelming consensus of Hercules being stronger.
What? Your marching against consensus now ? The X marks the Spot no more.
The "general consensus", which in the case of Marvel Hercules holding the Earth comprises nearly all but you by my estimates, is that the feat is more boast than canon. Other than that I don't recall you posting any feat incredibly out of her realms, (although presumably you have some ready and waiting.) To match lifting half the Spectre albeit momentarily, helping to move celestial bodies in present day, halting heaven's chariot's descent, etc.
That and her being explicitly stated recurrently to be stronger than DC Hercules.
Well personally I think some more items should be added to that list:
9. Hurl a neutron star.
10. Punch a whole through space / time.
PC Superboy for one Hurled a neutron star using just his hand, and re-arranged solar systems with his bare hands. Those are levels of feats that make the black hole one look tame.
I think the best way to explain the high end feats is explain in terms of telekinesis. Meaning that of course the character's body really isn't that strong but their mind is doing the work, just that they can only channel it through things that they touch.
To illustrate my point, look at Superman one million versus current Superman. Superman one million had just open telekinesis, as in he didn't have to touch things to move them. I think that this would be the ultimate power of Superman today, same goes for Gladiator, and even the Hulk, but for some reason their power is limited to things that they can touch.
This would explain the Hulk's ability to grab, manipulate, and destroy energy objects - something which should never be possible using only brute strength. Examples include ripping a force field, etc..
Oh and as for punching through space and time, that shows the above concept in it's extreme. Trion Juggernaut, Superman one million, PC Superman, all of them could do that, so it's not just one company that has used the concept. I would put punching a whole in the fabric of space as a class above holding a black hole.