Originally posted by olympian
I dont know if you noticed. But Superman isent written like that at all..
He isn't 😕
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Originally posted by Superherovandal
Supes has a better chance of stopping Hulk than vice-versa. See Hulk can't hurt what he can't touch. and speed would make it seem like months were passing to Supes before Hulk was remotely close to hitting Supes.
Your full of it with your exagerattion.
Originally posted by olympian
1- Allow me to specify the term. "Locking arms" is a direct contest of strength only. An armwrestle match for example. A pure slugfest is another (DD vs Superman in theyr first figth was mainly this). CM for all the contriversal issues related with DC Hercules and WW has done this with Superman. Marvel Hercules has done it with Hulk and Thor. Thor has done it with Hulk, BrB, etc.A standart match is usually what you have avaiable (gear, powerset, skills) to use. Now, since we are discussing the category of strength and not powerset (wich she is definatly above) id like to see examples of her physically showing an equal slug measure against the likes of Superman, CM, etc in a regular manner. Way i see it, Herc has those. But WW so far doesnt seem to do as well in those direct matchups without recurring to her gear. And with this i mean using gear while the opponent doesnt.
2- He doesnt "dwarf" her. In order to be so he would have to be way above. Hes not. Hes above nonetheless.
3- The moon resisted the fall of the Spectre..ok i couldnt resist 😛Her main *problem* where strength is discussed its that all her major lifting/moving feats are done with backup. She doesnt have a single example where a contest against another big gun is having side effects such as others examples showed us. And especially and *this* point is the most revelant..on her own.
4- It sure gets the majority but more than that its maybe something it wont happen. The lasso tends to be a late resource and the speed she uses its mainly for flying. Like other fliers she shares the tendency of getting close. Im talking in character anyway. Like usual.
Ok I have to get you together on one point. All of her lifting feats do not require back up. First of all, when she was stopping the heaven's chariot from falling, the reason she had trouble stopping it was becuz of the heavenly burn. She had for all intents and purposes slowed it's fall.
And she has a strength feat on her own much greater than moving an island. In the technis Imperitive, She stopped a meteor that was so big that not even Terra could stop it. Terra can move mountains like they were pebbles becuz of her earth moving power. The size of the Meteor was so big that it dwarfed them so that you couldnt' even see them on panel. And she did this feat alone and with EASE. The writer is clearly illustrating that if she can move something so huge that not even Terra could stop, with ease, then she is cleary far beyond the capacity of just that one meteor. Not to mention the fact that meteor also had plenty of inertia. So not only was she lifting this rediculous amount of mass, she pushed against and stopped a falling rock the size of a state.
Also, the Spectre feat, If you look at the panel, it shows that Diana is equally pulling on her half of the spectre. If Superman were beyond her in strength like poeple want to make it, then how come he was straining equally with her. If she were the weaker, She would have dropped her side first. Or the Spectre would have been lower on her side as she struggled and he didn't. THe pic is clearly meant to show that they are peers in strength.
Superman once commented also how a hit from the New Male Cheetah felt like a punch from Diana or Captain Marvel. So tell me, what exactly can one infer from that comment other than Diana and Captain Marvel hit with the same lvl of force?
I think WW is just under CM, BA, SM, Thor, and BRB but her skill let's her hold her own for a while. But in pure power strength she is a little out matched. It's been said that she is 2nd to Superman it's also been said Captain Marvel is equal to Superman and to some his superior. I see Thor as CM or SM equal in strength.
Originally posted by D-Block
I think WW is just under CM, BA, SM, Thor, and BRB but her skill let's her hold her own for a while. But in pure power strength she is a little out matched. It's been said that she is 2nd to Superman it's also been said Captain Marvel is equal to Superman and to some his superior. I see Thor as CM or SM equal in strength.
Skill alone doesn't allow you to hold up a meteor the size of Texas. Skill doesn't allow you to break Superman's Ribs. SKill doesn't Allow you to be punched form the sun to the earth at faster than light speeds, make a crater, and get up. That is all strength and durability feats.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Technically he said the comparative speed would make it seem like months were passing to Superman before Hulk even came close to connecting with him. Which considering their relative speeds and reactions is relatively true. 😬
Its still an exagerattion. You rarely have if at all, someone using combat speed in a manner where it will give the slower guy the illusion of being frozen in time by the span of months.
Except the Flash types, that is.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok I have to get you together on one point. All of her lifting feats do not require back up. First of all, when she was stopping the heaven's chariot from falling, the reason she had trouble stopping it was becuz of the heavenly burn. She had for all intents and purposes slowed it's fall.And she has a strength feat on her own much greater than moving an island. In the technis Imperitive, She stopped a meteor that was so big that not even Terra could stop it. Terra can move mountains like they were pebbles becuz of her earth moving power. The size of the Meteor was so big that it dwarfed them so that you couldnt' even see them on panel. And she did this feat alone and with EASE. The writer is clearly illustrating that if she can move something so huge that not even Terra could stop, with ease, then she is cleary far beyond the capacity of just that one meteor. Not to mention the fact that meteor also had plenty of inertia. So not only was she lifting this rediculous amount of mass, she pushed against and stopped a falling rock the size of a state.
Also, the Spectre feat, If you look at the panel, it shows that Diana is equally pulling on her half of the spectre. If Superman were beyond her in strength like poeple want to make it, then how come he was straining equally with her. If she were the weaker, She would have dropped her side first. Or the Spectre would have been lower on her side as she struggled and he didn't. THe pic is clearly meant to show that they are peers in strength.
Superman once commented also how a hit from the New Male Cheetah felt like a punch from Diana or Captain Marvel. So tell me, what exactly can one infer from that comment other than Diana and Captain Marvel hit with the same lvl of force?
1- Her high- end feats. Not *all* her feats.
2- She comented on how she was having troubles and backup showed up to help her.
3- Unless im wrong, thats the one i was refering that she did alone. Island level werebouts and up (but below the most austrageous feats that others have). I agree that she can perform these rather easily.
4- The Spectre feat doesnt matter much in terms of who was doing more work. I dont think anything indicates she did alot less or not.
Its the major factor that *no weigth* was given. Its hard to quantify. The Midgard Serpent feat of Thor at least showed a constest of strength and effects on Earth.
5- We can enfer from that comment that they are in the same strength class. Wich is true. I dont argue that either.
I argue that are people sligth above in the same class.
