Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker?

But it's one story... a continuous story.

It isn't a continuous use of production techniques though, and that is what people who enjoy the sillier aspects of Star Wars such as pitching characters in gladiator fights get confused about.

In many ways, although it's the continued story, they are very different movies, and you yourself know this Queeq 😕

I do. But what's that to a viewer. Not everyone watches a film for its productional background.

And not everyone watches the films to place characters in a versus fight mumbo-jumo, but it happens, as this thread clearly shows.

I'm loosing what you are actually debating here, in case my rant got out of control and misunderstood, I'll paraphrase;

...People that pitch Darth Vader into one of these gladiator contest often forget that they use the 1977 Yorkshire man in a suit as evidence for that character's "power". For his opponent they use depictions of a character from the films with some of the most excessive CGI ever used in cinema. They think that one of the greatest screen villains of all time is a pushover, simply because the developement in Star Wars lore and computer generated imaging at the time it was released...

On a personal note, I don't like these "versus" debates, I simply thought that as this one has strayed far of the Versus forum that I might point out to many of the people who posted, that they seem to be forgeting a big reason that the characters are depicted differently.

Ah... but there is a poitn to this. Vader was once the greatest villain in movie history, no one at the time of OT release thought this guy was a lame old cripple... Yet, the PT made Vader to be just that, in fact, Lucas said he was. So now Vader appears to be a push over.... and that is bad.

Yes, it's very bad, he's the greatest screen villain possibly ever, and his effect as a character is weakened because of opportunistic and excessive use of CGI in the new films, however that runs into the debates, or usually one sided rants about the PT, so I'll end that line now.

It's not particularly a rant against the PT, it has to do with inflation in a way. To make the PT up to date to today's standards they kinda had to do it. But it may have been more chique if Lucas had allowed the OT to restrain him a bit. Instead of just trying to explain everything, he could have chosen to make it tie in better with the OT in the sense of feel.

Isn't Darth the complete version?

Pardon?

Originally posted by queeq
It's not particularly a rant against the PT, it has to do with inflation in a way. To make the PT up to date to today's standards they kinda had to do it. But it may have been more chique if Lucas had allowed the OT to restrain him a bit. Instead of just trying to explain everything, he could have chosen to make it tie in better with the OT in the sense of feel.

Wouldn't that just be the same as not updating the PT to todays standards.

Honestly, I love the different feels between the PT and the OT. They address different elements of society at very differnet times. Its nice to feel that distinction.

And certainly from an artistic POV, Lucas had a very different message witht the PT than with the OT, and his change of style fits that.

So what was the message of the PT?

Buy everything relating SW and Lucas will be happy.

Hehehe... you're right.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Buy everything relating SW and Lucas will be happy.

And yet we still do...so he should be a pretty happy man right now...

I consider it making payments so I can feel free to criticise him.

So...you are paying him so you can make fun of him?

THat's a way to say it.

Then all SW fans have the right to criticise him, most of us have allot of stuff relating SW.

Me too... and criticising Lucas is part of the fun.

I just wish, he would take notes, what the fans are saying, if he did that, probably Jar Jar would never be in the movies.- Hey i have an idea(Are you listening George), when he releases Special Edition on the PT, he could erase jar Jar from the movies, that would be great.