I want to be in animal conservation & endangered speices!

Started by Robtard6 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
I understood that. As is apparent in my responses.

Actually we have every right. We are here. We don't owe anything to anybody. We could blow the ****ing planet up and it wouldn't be wrong. We just choose to not do it for different reason. Foremost because we like to live. But also because we want our species to continue living. And we want the Planet to be like it is. Cause we like it that way. But it sure as hell isn't our duty to preserve it for our children.

Continuation of the species is just about the most basic instinct there is, so yes, it is our responsibility to preserve it for future generations. What you're saying is the weasel-move that is commonly seen today. 'Use it now, someone will pay for it later.' and that is B.S.

Originally posted by Robtard
Continuation of the species is just about the most basic instinct there is, so yes, it is our responsibility to preserve it for future generations. What you're saying is the weasel-move that is commonly seen today. 'Use it now, someone will pay for it later.' and that is B.S.

No, not our responsibility. It just isn't. We are free folks. Sorry, but "We only borrowed the earth from our children" is Bullshit.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, not our responsibility. It just isn't. We are free folks. Sorry, but "We only borrowed the earth from our children" is Bullshit.

Dude, if you can't even acknowledge basic instincts, it is impossible to debate with you. If it isn't the current generations responsibility to continue the species, then who's it is? The Panda? God?

"We only borrowed the earth from our children" Not sure what you mean here, I did not say or imply this as it makes no sense. What I am saying is we have no right to lay irresponsible responsibilites on future generations.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, if you can't even acknowledge basic instincts, it is impossible to debate with you. If it isn't the current generations responsibility to continue the species, then who's it is? The Panda? God?

"We only borrowed the earth from our children" Not sure what you mean here, I did not say or imply this as it makes no sense. What I am saying is we have no right to lay irresponsible responsibilites on future generations.

I can acknowledge them. We are not bound by them though. We can go against them without being wrong.

That's what tree hugging idiots say. Because they are tree hugging idiots. They mean what you mean though. That we have a duty to keep the Earth inhabitable for future generations.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can acknowledge them. We are not bound by them though. We can go against them without being wrong.

That's what tree hugging idiots say. Because they are tree hugging idiots. They mean what you mean though. That we have a duty to keep the Earth inhabitable for future generations.

If you do not want to have children yourself, that is fine.

The Earth will be inhabitable for future generations regardless (to an extent), but they will have to pay for our greed and laziness if they want the same level of comfort we see today. Like I said, would you be happy and think it alright if you owed 500,000 Euros in back taxes from before you were born? I'm going to guess and say "No", and that is why 'we' doing it too future generations is B.S. It has nothing to do with being a "tree hugging idiot" as tree hugging idiots generally care for the enviroment for the enviroments sake, not for the sake of people.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you do not want to have children yourself, that is fine.

The Earth will be inhabitable for future generations regardless (to an extent), but they will have to pay for our greed and laziness if they want the same level of comfort we see today. Like I said, would you be happy and think it alright if you owed 500,000 Euros in back taxes from before you were born? I'm going to guess and say "No", and that is why 'we' doing it too future generations is B.S. It has nothing to do with being a "tree hugging idiot" as tree hugging idiots generally care for the enviroment for the enviroments sake, not for the sake of people.

What an idiotic argument. There won't be any future generations without us. If they don't like the earth the way it is when they get it, tough luck (objectively speaking).

Subjectively. And according to my own moral code I agree with you. We should preserve it for our species because we like our species (not because we have to, though I see what a useful tool guilt is to make things happen the way one wants them to be...I am really happy you and PVS go that way, so I don't have to). But I also think we should find a way to balance our own need for luxury and the intactness of the eco system.- Maybe I am a bit selfish. But why should only future generations be allowed to be selfish. I live only now.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What an idiotic argument. There won't be any future generations without us. If they don't like the earth the way it is when they get it, tough luck (objectively speaking).

Subjectively. And according to my own moral code I agree with you. We should preserve it for our species because we like our species (not because we have to, though I see what a useful tool guilt is to make things happen the way one wants them to be...I am really happy you and PVS go that way, so I don't have to). But I also think we should find a way to balance our own need for luxury and the intactness of the eco system.- Maybe I am a bit selfish. But why should only future generations be allowed to be selfish. I live only now.

WTF? You make no sense. First you say it is an idiotic statement and screw the future generations because they get what they get, "tough luck"(that is an extremely selfish way of thinking btw). Then you agree with me... Which is it... Do what we want now because we won't have to pay for it by the time it goes bad or we should have some responsibility and foresight for the future?

I agree with having luxuries and balancing with nature, that is the way it should be and it could be. The problem though is greed, most people/corporations who are causing the worlds largest poisonings like to keep their profit margin as high as possible. So instead of giving you a Coca-Cola in a convenient plastic bottle in more expensive (too them) fashion that doesn't poison something, they take the cheapest route which coincides with the most pollution causing method of delivering you this luxury.

"I live only now"... Curious, do you plan on ever having children?

Originally posted by Robtard
WTF? You make no sense. First you say it is an idiotic statement and screw the future generations because they get what they get, "tough luck"(that is an extremely selfish way of thinking btw). Then you agree with me... Which is it... Do what we want now because we won't have to pay for it by the time it goes bad or we should have some responsibility and foresight for the future?

I agree with having luxuries and balancing with nature, that is the way it should be and it could be. The problem though is greed, most people/corporations who are causing the worlds largest poisonings like to keep their profit margin as high as possible. So instead of giving you a Coca-Cola in a convenient plastic bottle in more expensive (too them) fashion that doesn't poison something, they take the cheapest route which coincides with the most pollution causing method of delivering you this luxury.

"I live only now"... Curious, do you plan on ever having children?

No, no, see the whole point throughout this argument is that you, PVS and I AGREE. Just that I do not agree with the words you use.

Though what Bottles would you want Coca Cola to be in?

[edit]And is there any point ever having children ?
Oh, I don't know
All I do know is we're Here and it's Now

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, no, see the whole point throughout this argument is that you, PVS and I AGREE. Just that I do not agree with the words you use.

Though what Bottles would you want Coca Cola to be in?

Okay... Agree with my point but disagree with my words, I do not understand that, but it works.

Plastic is fine, the methods of making the plastic are not. There is a plastic out now that is biodegradable, or course this could be used, but it is more expensive too make. That was just an example btw.

To me yes, being a father is by far one one the most pleasurable experiences and I like the thought that a part of me will go on after I die.

And why are we Here and Now?

its in our nature, human nature that is, to destroy things. we kill elephants for ivory, we kill seals for their skins, exotic hunters are killing beautiful animals left and right just to fill space in their trophy room.
doesnt matter what we do, its never gonna end.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its in our nature, human nature that is, to destroy things. we kill elephants for ivory, we kill seals for their skins, exotic hunters are killing beautiful animals left and right just to fill space in their trophy room.
doesnt matter what we do, its never gonna end.

...Until the aliens come. Then were screwed but until then...

not really. didnt you see independence day?

bardock, please snap out of philosophy mode. fine, you have no duty, no responsibility, no right, because these are man made concepts and thus do not tangibly exist. TADAAAAAA!!!!!

really, its a stonewall and its just silly.
can we just get past this "what is real" crap or is that going to be the rest of the thread? i can see that you agree, but the philosophy tangent makes me want to light your hair on fire and punch your scrotum

Originally posted by PVS
you know, those that assume that people who care about conservation of nature automatically do so because they dont want to see cute little fluffy animals killed.

That’s the main reason that conservationist spend so much time and effort to save a given species. The Giant Panda is perfect example: the only reason the US and Chinese governments pour millions a year into taking care of captive pandas is just to keep alive as long as possible is because they’re “cute little fluffy animals”. According to any biologist pandas are towards the end of their presence on the planet. It’s sad, but that’s nature.

And when pandas finally kick the bucket, it really won’t affect human life. Dodos were hunted to extinction in the 1600’s and the last Tasmanian Tiger died in captivity in 1938 and humans have still gone on living.

However, there’s actually some scientists who are attempting to bring back the dodo by playing God via cloning. The turkey is the dodo’s closest living relative, and through genetic tampering and splicing, they’re trying to bring it back. They should just leave them extinct.

millions of dollars? wow. these millions of dollars could be used to feed and clothe homeless people.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
However, there’s actually some scientists who are attempting to bring back the dodo by playing God via cloning. The turkey is the dodo’s closest living relative, and through genetic tampering and splicing, they’re trying to bring it back. They should just leave them extinct.

what if the dodo tastes good? they could be farmed.

dodoburgers!!!

Originally posted by PVS
what if the dodo tastes good? they could be farmed.

Well, yeah, but aren't we totally screwing with nature, by trying to bring it back?

Originally posted by PVS
bardock, please snap out of philosophy mode. fine, you have no duty, no responsibility, no right, because these are man made concepts and thus do not tangibly exist. TADAAAAAA!!!!!

really, its a stonewall and its just silly.
can we just get past this "what is real" crap or is that going to be the rest of the thread? i can see that you agree, but the philosophy tangent makes me want to light your hair on fire and punch your scrotum

Alright, alright, no more philosophy. So, yes, we should keep the planet safe and clean and livable so our species will have the chance to become even more awesomer than we already are.

[edit] Oh by the way the "And is there any point ever having children ?
Oh, I don't know
All I do know is we're Here and it's Now", were just lyrics from a rather good song, to anser your question truthfully, yes, I plan on having children if I should find a woman that is crazy (or stupid) enough to let me have my way with her.

Besides people who actually care & realise what is happening & are walking around with their eyes open, no one else will bother. The governement should make laws about this.

Stuff like no killing animals like we have been doing, unless for food I suppose. Everyone should have a fitted electric metre in their homes that hold so much power & water. You can only use what you're given. If you run out, that's your problem. You shouldn't use so much! 😠

I've heard that now that the more money we pay them, the more lazy that've become anyway. I just want to go around there & slap the lot of them. I do wish I could speak for the planet, I'd be great, along with my mum. We both just feel so helpless because we are only two people. Everyone else are just selfish bastards who just don't care about anything other than themselves.

I even said to my mum yesterday, "Our hearts are just too big & if could actually grow bigger they'd be too big to even fit inside us, we care so much & no one else does."

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow, honey, easy, we are a natural cause. There is nothing unnatural about us.

We are, we're destroying the planet & destroyed habitats of everything living thing; plants, animals & us. I have to say us really because people don't believe that a human is an animal, but actually we are, so it should be plants & 'animals', but I have to make it clear.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You're familiar with survival of the fittest, right? Well it also applies to humans. Homo sapiens is just another animal species, and like many other animals, Homo sapiens kills. It doesn't matter in he kills because he has to eat or just for fun, species will go extinct. Hell, even cats kill for pleasure; namely jaguars and leopards.

All species will go extinct regardless of the cause. The only thing that conservationist are doing/accomplishing, is post-poning a natural [and eventual] process.

It's true, ey. The panda is about as doomed as a snowman in Las Vegas.

In fact, they'll probably go extinct in your lifetime.


Yeah, but they don't kill loads & loads like people do, we're always killing something. We kill differently to them too. They know only natural but we know the knowledge to know natrual from non-natrual, so we kill the no-natrual way. We don't have to, we just do. They don't have to but it's natrual to them that they do.

We also do unatrual things such as using electricity & harming the eco system. Other animals do not do this, they just live in the wild, live in the wild & have fun in the wild. People orginally lived like that, unti ltimes changed of course. We build houses, invent gadges, tv shows, lighting, kitchen accessorys & more.

When they have done playing, they eat it. They haven't got time to just kill & play, they have to eat as much as possible to suvive because sometime they may not be able to get a meal.

I sure hope Pandas do not go, they're lovely creatures, I love them.

Originally posted by PVS
you know, those that assume that people who care about conservation of nature automatically do so because they dont want to see cute little fluffy animals killed.

yeah, kill a bunny for me, i never tried rabbit. just dont extinct them or kill one just to rip off its pelt and leave its quivering remains to rot.


That reminds me of something else. Sharks' fins are cut off for soup then just thrown back into the sea & left to drown. That's just plain sick! 😠
Originally posted by Bardock42
How are we not natural dude?

All we make we get from the Earth. We are animals. We are just affecting the eco-system to a greater degree than others.

I said I agree we should preserve it for us until we can affect it in a way that suits us most. But just generally try to affect it as little is possible is stupid too. I like energy. I also like cars. I like Coke in plastic bottles. I like those advantages. And I don't think that it will destroy the eco system for everyone to come. And if it does, well maybe then people are better off not being born in the future anyways.


We were natrual, but as time went on, more & more people left the natrual behind them & went unatrual. Of course we're harming the planrt, hello!!! The Earth is warming up unarually & will die out at some point unless we can us solar power, wind & water to power every single thing, then it's safe.

The waether is becoming more extreme, the UK now gets more strong winds than 50 years ago, it was unheard of! Summers are becoming hotter & winters colder. We had about 37.5 degrees this summer & my God was it hot or what! The sea is rising due to the heat & many countries will be underwater. The fact is, within the next 100 years to sea level will rise about 80 cm. That will cover beaches all over the UK such as Skegness, Brighton & Blackpool. Those beaches won't exist. The next 200 years, holiday places such as those will start to flood. Within 300 years they could be totally underwater. This is caused by one animal only, humans!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its in our nature, human nature that is, to destroy things. we kill elephants for ivory, we kill seals for their skins, exotic hunters are killing beautiful animals left and right just to fill space in their trophy room.
doesnt matter what we do, its never gonna end.

But it's not natrual is it. We don't need ivory, skins & trophies & Who the bloody hell does anyway!? pissed We always killing for stuff like that. Elephants for tusks, seals, foxes, squirals, rabbits, tigers, wolves, minks, raccoons, beavers & many more for fur. Sheep for sheep skin rugs, cows for leather, snakes & crocodiles for boots, bags & belts (the three bad B's I say!) This is ohly a few but many more animals are killed for these purposes other than for food, fun, accidental but not released back to safety & just plain cruelty & stupidity!

There's also talk about moving to Mars & quite frankly, I see no point. I mean sure, generations will survive for longer, but at the end of the day, we'll only destroy that planet too, then have no where to go. If everyone did move to Mars, we'd have to change totally. Also, the question "What we're going to do when the oil runs out?" doesn't cross many people's minds does it! It's going to go in about 40 years & we'll still be here for God's sake!

Wow, since we all now know that I am an eco-terrorist like you folks as well, could we still cut the bullshit with "we aren't natural", cause, we are. All we do, think, feel and are is natural. That we change our surroundings is not unnatural. We are a part of nature. One that might destroy it in the way that we know it, which would suck for us. But plastic, skyscrapers, petrol, coca cola, uranium and everything else on this planet is natural. We could at least use correct terminology.