Originally posted by Soljer
Yes he is. He's close to Superman level, who himself is quite a bit stronger than J'onn.
J'onn is Superman level.
Ask the white Martians.
Ask Ultraman.
Superman maybe a bit stronger than J'onn, but if J'onn can make Supergirl bleed in one punch, then he can do the same to her cousin.
And Thor isn't as durable as Superman.
If J'onn is stronger than Thor, its negligible at best.
He has a better way of dealing with brute strength as well, and vastly more useful combat speed.
Plus, a mindblitz, plus phasing = a very hurt Thundergod.
I honestly hate arguing against Thor, cuz he's got all these one time power uses that are hell to argue against.
IF they met in a comic, i'd put money on J'onn.
The Last Martian 6/10
Originally posted by UniOmni
J'onn is Superman level.
Agreed.... but not in strength.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Ask the white Martians.
Wasn't it Superman who pwned Protex even w/o his heat vision?
Not to mention the other bundles of white Martians he's beaten...
Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman maybe a bit stronger than J'onn
Out of curiosity, what is J'onn's greatest strength feat?
I read a lot of him, but nothing he's done matches Superman's top strength feats...
I do go by strength feats, but i place more emphasis on fight showings.
Darkseid doesn't have lifting feats, but we know he dwarfs Superman in strength normally.
J'onn doesn't have the feats, but him hitting Supergirl and making her bleed with one punch, tells me that he's squarely in the ballpark of Kryptonian might.
Superman is stronger, but he won't take a punch from J'onn with little damage.
Give the Martian that much credit, please.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I do go by strength feats, but i place more emphasis on fight showings.Darkseid doesn't have lifting feats, but we know he dwarfs Superman in strength normally.
J'onn doesn't have the feats, but him hitting Supergirl and making her bleed with one punch, tells me that he's squarely in the ballpark of Kryptonian might.
Superman is stronger, but he won't take a punch from J'onn with little damage.
Give the Martian that much credit, please.
I give J'onn all the credit in the world, but Supergirl DID end up winning that fight, did she not?
Anyway, simply because I think Superman is stronger than J'onn, doesn't mean I don't think he can't compete in a fight or anything like that...
Originally posted by Martian_mind
To be fair Jonn doesnt have the exposure superman
*Ugh*
Cop out argument...
Originally posted by Martian_mind
does plus he beats supes with versatility not raw strength
Negatory.
Superman's SPEED (emphasis on speed) and strength combo would be too much for J'onny-boy.
The fastest I've seen J'onn travel is somewhere around mach 20. That doesn't cut it against somebody with fighting speeds like Superman.
However, I think that's enough for J'onn to efficiently keep Thor off his guard. With his speed that is...
Originally posted by UniOmni
Supergirl won every fight under Loeb, until she fought her cousin.Everybody jobbed in that arc.
And he didn't have the brainpower to phase while being choked?
So somebody can use the fact that J'onn made Kara bleed with one punch, but they can't use the fact that she won the fight?
malfoy
Originally posted by UniOmni
Its not the problem that she won the fight Batshit.Its how.
She choked him..........He could've phased, gotten free and continued the attack.
He had a brainfart.
As did Flash, and everybody who wasn't kryptonian.And iirc, J'onn was clocked at Mach something in the hundreds during JLA:Earth Two.
I'm just saying, it's either all crap writing or it isn't. You can't really pick and choose which part is.
Are you sure it was that high? J'onn hasn't gone that fast before. Anyway, still MUCH slower than Supes, and his fighting speed also pails in comparison.
Originally posted by UniOmni
J'onn is Superman level.Ask the white Martians.
Ask Ultraman.
Superman maybe a bit stronger than J'onn, but if J'onn can make Supergirl bleed in one punch, then he can do the same to her cousin.
And Thor isn't as durable as Superman.
If J'onn is stronger than Thor, its negligible at best.
He has a better way of dealing with brute strength as well, and vastly more useful combat speed.
Plus, a mindblitz, plus phasing = a very hurt Thunder god.
I honestly hate arguing against Thor, cuz he's got all these one time power uses that are hell to argue against.
IF they met in a comic, i'd put money on J'onn.
The Last Martian 6/10
He made her bleed, no big deal he still lost. Thor has the strength feats, and the battle feats that are comparable to the best of em. No doubt that Thor's feats trump MM's.
Thor may not be as durable as Superman, but he isn't far from it. The Thunder god has casually walked and talked on the sun, and took no damage from an attack that was the equivalent to that of an exploding sun. Add That to Thor's personal shields whom have taken small universal lv blast, and you have a fairly good defense.
J'onn isn't as strong as Thor, no is he as strong as Superman. Just go and compare feats, there no even close.
Better way of dealing with brute strength, what do mean? If your talking about characters they've fought, Thor's fought and held his own or better against the best. Mangog, Kurse, The Fourth Celestial host, Hulk, Drax with the PG, BRB, Silver Surfer, etc.
Thor has a massive defense against telepathic assaults, being able to withstand an attack that took even Moondragon down.
Thor's able to detect and attack characters who can phase. Just ask Vision how well he did when tried to phase against Thor.
Thor 8/10
MM goes to another dimension when he phases (info from Draco)
and besides Thor has been mind controlled before, yes or no?
All thor does is bang the damn hammer 😐
Faster than him:
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strechier than him:
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just as strong:
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Ultraman takes a beating 😄
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Dont get him angry 😐
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thats just....cool:
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I mean...common people. He is taking them ALL on 😐
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I don't go by lifting feats primarily, due to how the brute characters tend to have more.
I go by fights.
J'onn has shown that he can hit the most durable of characters, and draw blood easily.
The strength differences between the three, Superman, Thor and J'onn aren't consequential enough to change the outcome of this match.
J'onn is fast enough to hit Thor at will, and high powered enough to beat him for the majority.
6/10
Thor, frankly isn't among that group.
J'onn has the more useful combat speed easily.
And if Thor has had trouble with speedsters before, hows he gonna deal with someone who pretty much eclipses most Marvel speedies?
J'onn can shape shift and negate damage. See him fighting SBP for reference.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
just as strong:
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Byrnes' weak Superman...
Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't go by lifting feats primarily, due to how the brute characters tend to have more.I go by fights.
J'onn has shown that he can hit the most durable of characters, and draw blood easily.
The strength differences between the three, Superman, Thor and J'onn aren't consequential enough to change the outcome of this match.
J'onn is fast enough to hit Thor at will, and high powered enough to beat him for the majority.
6/10
Thor, frankly isn't among that group.
J'onn has the more useful combat speed easily.
And if Thor has had trouble with speedsters before, hows he gonna deal with someone who pretty much eclipses most Marvel speedies?J'onn can shape shift and negate damage. See him fighting SBP for reference.
We can go by Fights or lifting feats, and it'll clearly show that Thor's the stronger of the two.
He made Supergirl bleed, which really isn't a big deal. Thor's ko'd Drax with the PG, Silver Surfer, BRB, etc.
Yes, it actually is. J'onn just doesn't cut it when it comes to strength feats. If you compare Thor's strength and battle feats, and you then compare J'onn's, it's clear that Thor is the stronger of the two.
J'onn's not that fast. His best feat is him going Mach 20, Thor can swing Mjolnir much faster, as in light speed.
Thor 8/10, he's much more powerful than J'onn.
Yes Thor's had trouble with slow characters, but he's also been ko'd by a rock. Thor tends to job a lot if you haven't noticed. 😬
So he shape shifts and gets teleported to Hel.😐
Thor 8/10
Its simply denial to say that MM can't win at least 4 outta ten.
The reason why i say strength differences don't matter here, is because if J'onn punches Thor, he won't shrug off the blow.
You think Namor has hurt Thor? Or Thing?
J'onn is a peer in strength, if not an equal.
He's got faster combat speed, more useful as well, and decent firepower.
Plus Thors resistance to tp isn't solid.
J'onn has the tools and showings.
He can get a stalemate, if not majority.
