Originally posted by UniOmni
See, the problem with people who rely on feats alone, is that they negate their own argument in the long run.Jesse7 said that Thanos couldn't be as strong, if not stronger than Superman, since he doesn't have lifting feats that outdo Superman.
You say the same in regard to Thor and MM.
MM doesn't have the pure lifting feats that Thor does. So what?
Darkseid hasn't lifted squat, but we know he's above the top tier in strength.
Same for DD. And Thanos.
I can see who MMs beaten, who i'd put on the level or above Thor.
Thor might be a hair stronger than MM.
But it won't be like Hulk vs Wonder Girl.
They're peers, if not equals.
And frankly, thats me being generous, since in all honesty, DC on average plays on a larger scope than Marvel does, currently.
Marvel, big punches = characters knocked a mile or two.
DC big punches = characters knocked off planet, or around the world.
MM has shown he can beat people on Thors level.
Ultraman, Etrigan, Supergirl(didn't beat her, but he bloodied her with one hit, and her durability> Thors) Sbp(didn't beat him, but knocked him for a loop) and more.
Or above it, depending on who you ask.
And don't get me started on the absurdness that is Thors speed.
He has the edge in travel speed. Thats it.
MM thinks faster, reacts faster, and is smarter.
And J'onn doesn't have to take punches.
Thats the beauty of being a premier shape/mass changer, and premier phaser.
He can literally roll with the punches.
Ulik and Durok hurt Thor, but someone who's likely stronger and much faster won't?
Ha!
And the best thing about Thorbags, is that the best stuff happened when he was in a beserker rage, and everything else is over a decade old!
Haha!
I'm not Jesse whoever and as I stated before, we can compare lifting and battle feats and Thor will still trump MM.
Although lifting feats are a good tool to measure strength, I stated we could use battle feats to. It's simple, Thor's battle and Strength feats trump MM's.
Thor's beaten characters way above MM's lv, in fact more times than the other way around.
They may be peers, but there no equals. As stated, Thor's battle and lifting feats blow MM's out of the water.
Good point, but it means nothing in this debate.
Thor's been shown to beat or stalemate characters way above MM. Silver Surfer, Mangog, Drax with the PG, BRB, Captain Marvel, Galactus, etc. These may not be his normal every day showings, but they are fairly common.
Supergirl's durability being greater than Thor's is debatable.
Um Thor can also swing ad Through Mjolnir at light speeds, faster than even MM's traveling speed.
He may be able to roll with the punches, but I'm positive he can't roll with being BFR'd or being hit with a godblast.
Durok and Ulik could probably give MM a run for his money, especially Durok.
Your right though, besides Ragnarok Thor hasn't done anything impressive outside of battles in the last decade or so.