Martian Manhunter VS Thor

Started by Soujaboy7 pages

Originally posted by UniOmni
Its simply denial to say that MM can't win at least 4 outta ten.

The reason why i say strength differences don't matter here, is because if J'onn punches Thor, he won't shrug off the blow.

You think Namor has hurt Thor? Or Thing?

J'onn is a peer in strength, if not an equal.

He's got faster combat speed, more useful as well, and decent firepower.

Plus Thors resistance to tp isn't solid.

J'onn has the tools and showings.
He can get a stalemate, if not majority.

No, it's simply fact and feat.

Thus far all you've stated is J'onn's strength is on par with Thor's, without any real, solid, proof or evidence. I've given examples of Thor's strength, and you've been unable to give feats of J'onns that rival Thor's.

He can take a lot more of J'onns punches than the other way around. I have given some of Thor's higher durability feats, which again trump MM's.

He's not faster, his greatest speed feats don't compare with Thor's. Unless you can provide proof otherwise, I'll stand my ground.

Solid enough for him to thrash J'onn. The question should be, is J'onn's defense able to cope with Thor's offensive ability.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
MM goes to another dimension when he phases (info from Draco)

and besides Thor has been mind controlled before, yes or no?

All thor does is bang the damn hammer 😐

Faster than him:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6299634

strechier than him:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/?action=view&current=MartianManhunter30p21.jpg

just as strong:
http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldsfinest1972212045jg.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldsfinest1972212065qa.jpg

Ultraman takes a beating 😄
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swisscheese7gw.jpg

Dont get him angry 😐
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0061ys9wr.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0078dh9gy.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0083kk7vp.jpg

thats just....cool:
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=japan59bu1ok.jpg

I mean...common people. He is taking them ALL on 😐
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla81eu2sy.jpg

😐

Originally posted by Blair Wind
MM goes to another dimension when he phases (info from Draco)

and besides Thor has been mind controlled before, yes or no?

All thor does is bang the damn hammer 😐

Faster than him:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6299634

strechier than him:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/?action=view&current=MartianManhunter30p21.jpg

just as strong:
http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldsfinest1972212045jg.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldsfinest1972212065qa.jpg

Ultraman takes a beating 😄
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swisscheese7gw.jpg

Dont get him angry 😐
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0061ys9wr.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0078dh9gy.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0083kk7vp.jpg

thats just....cool:
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=japan59bu1ok.jpg

I mean...common people. He is taking them ALL on 😐
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla81eu2sy.jpg

MUCH faster than MM

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0050lh.jpg

Thor is much stronger

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/midgardserpent1.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/planetpressure6vr.jpg

Galactus takes a beating

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst1.jpg
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Thor's look angrier...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/SilverS1.jpg
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This is better...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thor2.jpg

Thor's taking them all on...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsInfinity1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsInfinity2.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsInfinity7.jpg

Get my point?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, it's simply fact and feat.

Thus far all you've stated is J'onn's strength is on par with Thor's, without any real, solid, proof or evidence. I've given examples of Thor's strength, and you've been unable to give feats of J'onns that rival Thor's.

He can take a lot more of J'onns punches than the other way around. I have given some of Thor's higher durability feats, which again trump MM's.

He's not faster, his greatest speed feats don't compare with Thor's. Unless you can provide proof otherwise, I'll stand my ground.

Solid enough for him to thrash J'onn. The question should be, is J'onn's defense able to cope with Thor's offensive ability.

See, the problem with people who rely on feats alone, is that they negate their own argument in the long run.

Jesse7 said that Thanos couldn't be as strong, if not stronger than Superman, since he doesn't have lifting feats that outdo Superman.

You say the same in regard to Thor and MM.

MM doesn't have the pure lifting feats that Thor does. So what?

Darkseid hasn't lifted squat, but we know he's above the top tier in strength.

Same for DD. And Thanos.

I can see who MMs beaten, who i'd put on the level or above Thor.
Thor might be a hair stronger than MM.

But it won't be like Hulk vs Wonder Girl.

They're peers, if not equals.

And frankly, thats me being generous, since in all honesty, DC on average plays on a larger scope than Marvel does, currently.

Marvel, big punches = characters knocked a mile or two.

DC big punches = characters knocked off planet, or around the world.

MM has shown he can beat people on Thors level.

Ultraman, Etrigan, Supergirl(didn't beat her, but he bloodied her with one hit, and her durability> Thors) Sbp(didn't beat him, but knocked him for a loop) and more.

Or above it, depending on who you ask.

And don't get me started on the absurdness that is Thors speed.

He has the edge in travel speed. Thats it.

MM thinks faster, reacts faster, and is smarter.

And J'onn doesn't have to take punches.

Thats the beauty of being a premier shape/mass changer, and premier phaser.
He can literally roll with the punches.

Ulik and Durok hurt Thor, but someone who's likely stronger and much faster won't?

Ha!

And the best thing about Thorbags, is that the best stuff happened when he was in a beserker rage, and everything else is over a decade old!

Haha!

Omni with the KO. 🙂

Originally posted by UniOmni
See, the problem with people who rely on feats alone, is that they negate their own argument in the long run.

Jesse7 said that Thanos couldn't be as strong, if not stronger than Superman, since he doesn't have lifting feats that outdo Superman.

You say the same in regard to Thor and MM.

MM doesn't have the pure lifting feats that Thor does. So what?

Darkseid hasn't lifted squat, but we know he's above the top tier in strength.

Same for DD. And Thanos.

I can see who MMs beaten, who i'd put on the level or above Thor.
Thor might be a hair stronger than MM.

But it won't be like Hulk vs Wonder Girl.

They're peers, if not equals.

And frankly, thats me being generous, since in all honesty, DC on average plays on a larger scope than Marvel does, currently.

Marvel, big punches = characters knocked a mile or two.

DC big punches = characters knocked off planet, or around the world.

MM has shown he can beat people on Thors level.

Ultraman, Etrigan, Supergirl(didn't beat her, but he bloodied her with one hit, and her durability> Thors) Sbp(didn't beat him, but knocked him for a loop) and more.

Or above it, depending on who you ask.

And don't get me started on the absurdness that is Thors speed.

He has the edge in travel speed. Thats it.

MM thinks faster, reacts faster, and is smarter.

And J'onn doesn't have to take punches.

Thats the beauty of being a premier shape/mass changer, and premier phaser.
He can literally roll with the punches.

Ulik and Durok hurt Thor, but someone who's likely stronger and much faster won't?

Ha!

And the best thing about Thorbags, is that the best stuff happened when he was in a beserker rage, and everything else is over a decade old!

Haha!

how many skyfathers has MM stalemated?

Thor stalemated Zeus for months on ancient Olympus.

how many Cosmic Abstracts has MM taken shots from?

Thor has fought Celestials twice (and lost put out more power than MM has ever shown).

How many planet busting shots has MM taken?

Thor has taken multiple planet busting shots.

How many stars has MM been inside?

Thor has been inside the Sun and in the fires of Muspelheim which burn hotter.

oh, btw, Thor has Quicksilver level superspeed. It was a long time ago, back in JiM.... #95 or so but Thor once ran across Central Park in seconds... His current level of super strength gives him that level of speed alone.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
how many skyfathers has MM stalemated?

Thor stalemated Zeus for months on ancient Olympus.

how many Cosmic Abstracts has MM taken shots from?

Thor has fought Celestials twice (and lost put out more power than MM has ever shown).

How many planet busting shots has MM taken?

Thor has taken multiple planet busting shots.

How many stars has MM been inside?

Thor has been inside the Sun and in the fires of Muspelheim which burn hotter.

oh, btw, Thor has Quicksilver level superspeed. It was a long time ago, back in JiM.... #95 or so but Thor once ran across Central Park in seconds... His current level of super strength gives him that level of speed alone.


MM has taken shots from the likes of a quantum zealot. They trump ANY one thor has taken a shot from.

All the other examples pale in comparison to power like that. Also when Thor can hit a brick like SBP then he's did something spectacular. MM punched the shit out of SBP. SO I'd say your vastly under estimating MM.

*sigh* This is sad. Thor wins 8/10

Thor has taken shots from Celestials, shots which killed Odin in the Destroyer armor with all the lifeforce and godessene of the other Asgardians.

MM has never taken damage like that.

Mm fought off leagues of Angels, in heaven no less, when Asmodel took it over.

Quantum Zealot.......Doesn't trump the Celestial barrage Nvrhdcle

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Thor has taken shots from Celestials, shots which killed Odin in the Destroyer armor with all the lifeforce and godessene of the other Asgardians.

MM has never taken damage like that.

And you dont' find it odd that Thor can take Dmg like that? and then turn around and get his ass kicked by the hulk? and Thanos? and Gladiator. By the way, gladiator was kickign thor's ass at the same time as wonderman on different sides of the planet. So let's not go all extreme with things that make no sense. There really isn't any thing Thor can do to MM. But MM can just mind rape for the win. Or he can use his TP to dumb thor down, slow his reaction time down, make him forget his battle skills and beat him down. Thor's saving grace is his hammer. The hammer gets him 4/10 wins.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Mm fought off leagues of Angels, in heaven no less, when Asmodel took it over.

Quantum Zealot.......Doesn't trump the Celestial barrage Nvrhdcle

Actually in DC, the Quantum Zealots where like a race of Big G"s. they were the First beings in the universe. Having the power of Gods. WHen the last one got angry, his power was destroying huge chunks of the ship that was like the size of multiple galaxies. So yeah, the Quantum zealots were bad ass. the angels are also a good feat. And dont' be an *******. You dont' have to call me out of my screen name.

I never said Thor would be chumped.

I just took supreme offense, to the belief that someone who's as physically powerful, with much better speed, and smarter too, would lose 7-8/10.

Thats what i took offense too.

Especially since Thor isn't that uber in comics.

Sorry to bust anyones bubble, but Marvel caters to their streets and midtiers.

The top tiers over there, job to them. Alot.

Originally posted by Psyquis52
*sigh* This is sad. Thor wins 8/10

What's sad is thinking Thor wins 80% of the time. 🙁

If I were to believe the Thor supporters in here, I'd think he was taking on Celestials everyday of the week.

Thor has resisted Moondragon with the Mindgem and the Rigelian colonizers (they can mindrape whole planets) and Thanos.

And no I don't find it odd that Thor can do things like that when he does not hold back.

Thor holds back all the time. He is canonically 10 times stronger than depicted normally. And Thor holds back over that. Thor overpowered Drax with the Powergem.

If Thor does not hold back he can win the fight in less than a minute he could just life drain MM or generate a solar flare or summon Surtur or any number of ridiculous things.

What would MM do if Thor turned all the air around him to antimatter (thor has turned air into antimatter before) or simply teleports both of them to the dimension of death (you know Marvel Deaths realm). Thor has special protection being a god. MM does not.

What if Thor teleports both of them inside the sun to continue the fight?

Who knows. My point is that Thor has tons of options to win this fight and MM has very few.

Originally posted by Validus
What's sad is thinking Thor wins 80% of the time. 🙁

If I were to believe the Thor supporters in here, I'd think he was taking on Celestials everyday of the week.

You mean, he isn't?

I'll say Thor 6/10.

Originally posted by Validus
What's sad is thinking Thor wins 80% of the time. 🙁

If I were to believe the Thor supporters in here, I'd think he was taking on Celestials everyday of the week.

Well that's certainly not true.

I won't defend myself. It's all a matter of perspective. I was not, however, misguided by anyone here.

I listen to the arguements in favor of MM however, but I don't need to hear anybody else say anything good about Thor.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Thor has resisted Moondragon with the Mindgem and the Rigelian colonizers (they can mindrape whole planets) and Thanos.

And no I don't find it odd that Thor can do things like that when he does not hold back.

Thor holds back all the time. He is canonically 10 times stronger than depicted normally. And Thor holds back over that. Thor overpowered Drax with the Powergem.

If Thor does not hold back he can win the fight in less than a minute he could just life drain MM or generate a solar flare or summon Surtur or any number of ridiculous things.

What would MM do if Thor turned all the air around him to antimatter (thor has turned air into antimatter before) or simply teleports both of them to the dimension of death (you know Marvel Deaths realm). Thor has special protection being a god. MM does not.

What if Thor teleports both of them inside the sun to continue the fight?

Who knows. My point is that Thor has tons of options to win this fight and MM has very few.

You sir are rediculous. your worse than I am with WW. First of all. Thor can't Teleport something he can't see or touch. MM can go invisible and intangible. And what exactly is anti-matter going to do to a being who's out of sinc with reality. Hell MM fought anti matter beings way back in crisis. Thor's Antimatter won't be a problem. And The sun isn't going to hurt Mm. Sorry dude. Phasing takes care of that. And MM hasn't died yet. He for all intents is alread over a million years old and was alive in DC 1million. He's got Thor faded on experience. Thor has also been mind controlled before. ANd MM is one of DC's premier Telepaths. Probably just under Universo and Saturn Girl. So Even If thor resist him it will take his will power and concentration to do so. You dont' want to lose any concentration while fighting a being who is as strong as you are, faster, and with complete control over thier molecular structure.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Thor has resisted Moondragon with the Mindgem and the Rigelian colonizers (they can mindrape whole planets) and Thanos.

And no I don't find it odd that Thor can do things like that when he does not hold back.

Thor holds back all the time. He is canonically 10 times stronger than depicted normally. And Thor holds back over that. Thor overpowered Drax with the Powergem.

If Thor does not hold back he can win the fight in less than a minute he could just life drain MM or generate a solar flare or summon Surtur or any number of ridiculous things.

What would MM do if Thor turned all the air around him to antimatter (thor has turned air into antimatter before) or simply teleports both of them to the dimension of death (you know Marvel Deaths realm). Thor has special protection being a god. MM does not.

What if Thor teleports both of them inside the sun to continue the fight?

Who knows. My point is that Thor has tons of options to win this fight and MM has very few.

This is why i hate debating against Thor at times.

He has a list of one time powers, that under the rules of this board, are all fair game.

Its like moving a mountain with a spoon.

I give up, Thor wins 10/10.

All due to reasons stated above.

Though, how many of these powers have been used since 95, we'll never know.

Originally posted by UniOmni
This is why i hate debating against Thor at times.

He has a list of one time powers, that under the rules of this board, are all fair game.

Its like moving a mountain with a spoon.

I give up, Thor wins 10/10.

All due to reasons stated above.

Though, how many of these powers have been used since 95, we'll never know.


Vs forum sucks. I come here for entertainment but all the real discussion is in the general comics forum.