Storm vs ......

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Correct for 1,2,

Almost for 3....wait actually you got 3 right.

Not sure about 4...

The rain was cold...the atmosphere around the mandroid wasn't and therefore the wind around it wasn't....which means the tempest wasn't.

Storm is the one constantly manipulating the tempest therefore she's the one responsible for the drop...she has to manipulate it in order for it to drop otherwise the wind in the tempest won't.
It's the tempest as a whole...you already got the freezing rain..now you need the wind to drop.

The panel clearly states the tempest drops the temperature around it not storm, meaning the tempest was already made.

Originally posted by The Weather God
The panel clearly states the tempest drops the temperature around it not storm, meaning the tempest was already made.

The tempest was made....but that doesn't mean the tempest was cold...because that would mean the wind was cold...which would mean the atmosphere was cold...which would mean the atmosphere would have gotten cold the instant she made the tempest which it didn't.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The tempest was made....but that doesn't mean the tempest was cold...because that would mean the wind was cold...which would mean the atmosphere was cold...which would mean the atmosphere would have gotten cold the instant she made the tempest which it didn't.

Clearly the mandroid said it was already freezing rain so yes it was already cold.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Clearly the mandroid said it was already freezing rain so yes it was already cold.

The rain was cold...not the tempest...the wind would have to get cold in order for something to actually freeze...but if the wind was already freezing cold the Mandroid would have been frozen the instant Storm dropped the temperature....we know that the atmosphere experienced a radical drop...it wasn't instant...therefore the wind wasn't cold because the atmosphere wasn't cold...meaning the tempest wasn't cold. All three radically became cold.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The rain was cold...not the tempest...the wind would have to get cold in order for something to actually freeze...but if the wind was already freezing cold the Mandroid would have been frozen the instant Storm dropped the temperature....we know that the atmosphere experienced a radical drop...it wasn't instant...therefore the wind wasn't cold because the atmosphere wasn't cold...meaning the tempest wasn't cold.

That's what i'm saying storm never dropped the temperature, the freezing rain cause it to get cold and caused the mandroid's temperature to drop in a matter of second as the panel clearly states storm never dropped the temperatures

Originally posted by The Weather God
That's what i'm saying storm never dropped the temperature, the freezing rain cause it to get cold and caused the mandroid's temperature to drop in a matter of second

But the tempest isn't only the freezing rain...it's wind as well...and the wind is effectively the atmosphere....if Storm drops the temperature of the wind to freezing subzero temperatures...in a given area then the atmosphere would get cold the moment those temperatures are dropped. Meaning the wind couldn't have been ice cold in the first panel of that scan because that would mean the atmosphere was ice cold(Which it wasn't)...and therefore the tempest wasn't entirely cold...when it started dropping the temperature of the mandroids surroundings the wind got cold...which similtaneously caused the atmosphere to get cold...thus breaking the mandroid.

And that's her feat...she had to drop the temperature of the wind(Tempest) which similtaneously effects the SURROUNDINGS of the mandroid. And the feat of dropping the temperature of the wind took seconds.

Wait bad wording the atmosphere was cold because of the freezing rain...it wasn't cold enough to freeze something...hence the reason why it had to drop again when the temperature in the wind dropped.
The freezing rain contributed to the drop in temperature...but the wind had to be dropped in order for the surroundings to freeze.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But the tempest isn't only the freezing rain...it's wind as well...and the wind is effectively the atmosphere....if Storm drops the temperature of the wind to freezing subzero temperatures...in a given area then the atmosphere would get cold the moment those temperatures are dropped. Meaning the wind couldn't have been ice cold in the first panel of that scan because that would mean the atmosphere was ice cold(Which it wasn't)...and therefore the tempest wasn't entirely cold...when it started dropping the temperature of the mandroids surroundings the wind got cold...which similtaneously caused the atmosphere to get cold...thus breaking the mandroid.

And that's her feat...she had to drop the temperature of the wind(Tempest) which similtaneously effects the SURROUNDINGS of the mandroid. And the feat of dropping the temperature of the wind took seconds.

Wait bad wording the atmosphere was cold because of the freezing rain...it wasn't cold enough to freeze something...hence the reason why it had to drop again when the temperature in the wind dropped.
The freezing rain contributed to the drop in temperature...but the wind had to be dropped in order for the surroundings to freeze.

Put simply by me storm created a freezing rain tempest, in which that caused the temperature around the mandroid to get cold or else storm could have just made the temperature dropped without the freezing rain. The tempest clearly dropped the temperature around the mandroid because of the freezing rain, that's why it took a few seconds to freeze because the freezing rain was dropping the temperature around it. The panel clearly say's the tempest (not storm) dropped the temperature so you are actually arguing with what the comic scan said. The writer implied that the tempest was the cause of the temperature drop or it would have said that storm droped the temperature in the tempest.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Put simply by me storm created a freezing rain tempest, in which that caused the temperature around the mandroid to get cold or else storm could have just made the temperature dropped without the freezing rain. The tempest clearly dropped the temperature around the mandroid because of the freezing rain, that's why it took a few seconds to freeze because the freezing rain was dropping the temperature around it. The panel clearly say's the tempest (not storm) dropped the temperature so you are actually arguing with what the comic scan said. The writer implied that the tempest was the cause of the temperature drop or it would have said that storm droped the temperature in the tempest.

Yes the tempest is the cause of the drop in temperature but Storm is the cause for the drop in the tempest...the tempest is made up of WIND and RAIN...not just rain.

Okay maybe I'm not explaining it clear enough....

A tempest is a strong gust of wind + something else either rain or gale...etc...in this case it's WIND + RAIN.

Now we know in the first panel that she makes it rain and this rain is freezing....so we know that the atmosphere is cold...but it's not cold enough to freeze anything yet. How do we know this because the Mandroid does not freeze.
In the next panel it's turned into a tempest which radically drops the atmosphere surrounding the mandroid....

You say..the tempest meaning the wind and rain is already ice cold....I agree with the rain part but not the wind.

If the wind is already ice cold...this means the wind in the area she's focusing her power on is already ice cold...which means the atmosphere would be ice cold meaning this line

"tempest radically drops the temperature around the mandroid"

Would be made redundant seeing how the atmosphere would already be ice cold.

This can only mean that the wind isn't ice cold yet....but it gets cold by Storm radically dropping the temperature of the wind...which similtaneously drops the temperature of the tempest which similtaneously drops the temperature of the atmosphere.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yes the tempest is the cause of the drop in temperature but Storm is the cause for the drop in the tempest...the temperature is made up of WIND and RAIN...not just rain.

Okay maybe I'm not explaining it clear enough....

A tempest is a strong gust of wind + something else either rain or gale...etc...in this case it's WIND + RAIN.

Now we know in the first panel that she makes it rain and this rain is freezing....so we know that the atmosphere is cold...but it's not cold enough to freeze anything yet. How do we know this because the Mandroid does not freeze.
In the next panel it's turned into a tempest which radically drops the atmosphere surrounding the mandroid....

You say..the tempest meaning the wind and rain is already ice cold....I agree with the rain part but not the wind.

If the wind is already ice cold...this means the wind in the area she's focusing her power on is already ice cold...which means the atmosphere would be ice cold meaning this line

"tempest radically drops the temperature around the mandroid"

Would be made redundant seeing how the atmosphere would already be ice cold.

This can only mean that the wind isn't ice cold yet....but it gets cold by Storm dropping radically dropping the temperature of the wind...which similtaneously drops the temperature of the tempest with similtaneously drops the temperature of the atmosphere.

Yes i agree that the wind wasen't cold yet but if the rain was already cold then that mean's that it freezed up the winds and the temperature in order to make it cold as the panel clearly states that the tempest as one drops the temperature. That is why i believe it took a matter seconds to preform because the rain had to drop the temperature of the wind and the mandroid. As xmarkthespot stated those seconds could have been up to 59seconds. The writter has made it clear that storm is not the one who drops the temperature but that the tempest did after she created it.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Yes i agree that the wind wasen't cold yet but if the rain was already cold then that mean's that it freezed up the winds and the temperature in order to make it cold as the panel clearly states that the tempest as one drops the temperature. That is why i believe it took a matter seconds to preform because the rain had to drop the temperature of the wind and the mandroid. As xmarkthespot stated those seconds could have been up to 59seconds. The writter has made it clear that storm is not the one who drops the temperature but that the tempest did after she created it.

Well that makes sense I just realized I was off the point...Storms powers are Thought(Effectively Manipulation of Weather Patterns) and Action....so the action part is where the lag occurs...

The only qualm I have with that theory is that she has to constantly keep warping her storm...so she would be responsible for the time it takes for the ice to drop the temperature of the wind...but anyway I'll give that to you since...I realized I was so off the point...

BTW Still doesn't justify the use of Emma's scan.

I'll go dig for another scan.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well that makes sense I just realized I was off the point...Storms powers are Thought(Effectively Manipulation of Weather Patterns) and Action....so the action part is where the lag occurs...

The only qualm I have with that theory is that she has to constantly keep warping her storm...but anyway I'll give that to you since...I realized I was so off the point...

BTW Still doesn't justify the use of Emma's scan.

I'll go dig for another scan.

Ok but we've had a long hard battle for one night so we'll continue this tomorrow once i get some rest

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which could be two seconds of could be 20. Static images and idioms do not give good indication of actual timeframe. Intuitively the weather effects take several seconds additional to her reaction and/or thought.

*sigh* I'm not joining in their debate, but you are downplaying Storm's powers. You talk about downplaying a lot when you downplay Storm's. Storm create weather phenomenas faster than their natural occurences. Scans have been posted all over these forums of her doing it.

Yes idioms don't give actual indications, but they do show some description. And 'barely a thought' doesn't take 20 seconds you know. And 'split-seconds' doesn't equate to 59 seconds either. I hate bringing this topic up everytime, because people are surely underestimating her powers. She doesn't summon weather patterns like she did in TAS or in the movies. She's 1000x faster than that.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If it's not Storm...then you can't use it as evidence for Storm. [/B]

I can use it because its Storm's power, it has nothing to do with Emma's telepathic abilities or her trained telepathic mind (a reason you made up but which is not supported in the book). Storm's power can create weather affect within a second. END OF STORY.

You thought of the "telepathic mind speed trick" because you just could not admit that you were wrong. Instead of accepting this as fact when it staring you in the face, you come up with some illogical reasoning to justified your point (again, a reason not supported by the book). It never dawned on you that Emma's fear was the reason that she create the weather affect so fast and not her telepathic trained mind. It was a primal need to get to safety, which caused her to use Storm's powers to manipulate the weathers in a split-second, nothing else.

For some reason it bugs the hell out of you that Storm could create something in under a second. In you mind it has to be Emma's influence/possession and not Storm's natural weather ability/speed (even though that all you get from the story). In your mind it couldn't be that small weather affects like a single lightning bolt or a rogue gust of wind could be create by Storm in a second.

I'm sorry but in my humble opinion I just don't see why you don't understand this.

Also, notice how I don't go on and on about Storm use of Emma's mental abilities and the speed she was able to use them, it because I know it's Emma's powers and not Storm.

Don't get me wrong, I not trying to piss you off but I really don't understand your reasoning. 🙁

Originally posted by RisingStorm
She doesn't summon weather patterns like she did in TAS or in the movies. She's 1000x faster than that.

That's what really gets me sometime. I really feel that some people actaully base their opinion off of what they watch on the cartoon and not actual comic book fact.

Originally posted by RisingStorm
*sigh* I'm not joining in their debate, but you are downplaying Storm's powers. You talk about downplaying a lot when you downplay Storm's. Storm create weather phenomenas faster than their natural occurences. Scans have been posted all over these forums of her doing it.

Yes idioms don't give actual indications, but they do show some description. And 'barely a thought' doesn't take 20 seconds you know. And 'split-seconds' doesn't equate to 59 seconds either. I hate bringing this topic up everytime, because people are surely underestimating her powers. She doesn't summon weather patterns like she did in TAS or in the movies. She's 1000x faster than that.

"in the blink of an eye" is not indicating that the time taken is the time it takes to blink your eyes.
"in an instant" does not mean instantly. Nor does "in a split second."
These all indicate her powers take a short period of time to manifest. But they still take a period of time.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Isn't this what every versus debate with Storm in it reduces to? Nine pages of stormfront saying "instantly" 6-8 times per post.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
I can use it because its Storm's power, it has nothing to do with Emma's telepathic abilities or her trained telepathic mind (a reason you made up but which is not supported in the book). Storm's power can create weather affect within a second. END OF STORY.

You thought of the "telepathic mind speed trick" because you just could not admit that you were wrong. Instead of accepting this as fact when it staring you in the face, you come up with some illogical reasoning to justified your point (again, a reason not supported by the book). It never dawned on you that Emma's fear was the reason that she create the weather affect so fast and [b]not her telepathic trained mind. It was a primal need to get to safety, which caused her to use Storm's powers to manipulate the weathers in a split-second, nothing else.

For some reason it bugs the hell out of you that Storm could create something in under a second. In you mind it has to be Emma's influence/possession and not Storm's natural weather ability/speed (even though that all you get from the story). In your mind it couldn't be that small weather affects like a single lightning bolt or a rogue gust of wind could be create by Storm in a second.

I'm sorry but in my humble opinion I just don't see why you don't understand this.

Also, notice how I don't go on and on about Storm use of Emma's mental abilities and the speed she was able to use them, it because I know it's Emma's powers and not Storm.

Don't get me wrong, I not trying to piss you off but I really don't understand your reasoning. 🙁

That's what really gets me sometime. I really feel that some people actaully base their opinion off of what they watch on the cartoon and not actual comic book fact. [/B]

At the end of the day it still comes down to Emma Frost being able to perform that feat not Storm.
I never said it takes ages for Storms powers to work..but there is a lag....it's not "instant" as you guys are making it out to be. As if she can summon a Hurricane like the one she used against the Sentinel and BFR everyone without needing a fair amount of time. Or that she can summon a bolt of lightning from the sky and manage to guide it and hit five people similtaneously...all in just half a second.(In this case she still has to guide the bolt). And don't get me started on that "imploding a persons body" trick many of you guys like to use.

She manipulates weather patterns...and weather phenomena manifest. But there is a lag...where it takes time for her powers to manifest...now depending on what she's actually doing that lag may differ(It could be minute like half a second if the feat is minute or it could be 2-3 seconds if the feat is really big possibly more)....just don't tell me she can summon a Hurricane like the one she used against the Sentinel to BFR everyone..in less then half a second.

And as it's been pointed out before..."Split Second" is an idiom...

BTW I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with that scan.

Well Exdous,

It looks like where agreeing to disagree again. Which is becoming a normal thing for us to do on this board. 😉