Superman, Martian Manhunter and Kilowog versus BRB, Gladiator and Surfer

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator destroyed a planet, I never seen superman do that. Gladiator fought ego the planet, a galactis powered being, I never seen superman accomplish anything like that without the aid of someone to help him. I have never seen superman go 100 times the speed of light, something that flash might struggle to do. I have never seen superman fly towards the earth and make the entire city shake. Gladiator by far is superman superior and for the matter thor can take superman out as well and quite easily since thor is the better fighter and have more power at his disposal than superman would ever dream of. Superman might be fast but thor have been fighting super speedster all of his life and have done pretty good. Superman gets slapped around by wonder woman, I have never seen him defeat wonder woman yet in battle and during there last battle (max lord saga) superman was going all out and wonderwomen held back and almost killed superman (could have killed him if she wanted to). Thor is far superior than wonderwoman. Superman is a great character but I put him some notches below gladiator and thor.

Thor is far Superior to WW? since when? For every power Thor has, She has a counter. Thanks very much. And other forums on the net actually believe Diana beats thor 7/10. Try looking it up or would you like me to provice links?

If anyone think that diana is superior to thor in any way is crazy. Thor have more combat experience, is a better fighter, might be just as strong and have complete control over magic. Diana and superman is good but theyre not that good. I think that it would take one good hit across the head of superman or wonderwoman with the hammer and the fight is done. Or he could just drain superman of his powers, just like when he took juggernaut durability away or he could just teleport superman or diana in front of him and bust them in the back of the head. Thor just have to much going for himself, especially gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
If anyone think that diana is superior to thor in any way is crazy. Thor have more combat experience, is a better fighter, might be just as strong and have complete control over magic. Diana and superman is good but theyre not that good. I think that it would take one good hit across the head of superman or wonderwoman with the hammer and the fight is done. Or he could just drain superman of his powers, just like when he took juggernaut durability away or he could just teleport superman or diana in front of him and bust them in the back of the head. Thor just have to much going for himself, especially gladiator.

Wait a minute. First of all, Superman and WW both fought for THOUSANDS of years with the DC thor against hordes of Demons. So when did Thor get so much experience over them? And Diana is resistant to any magic Thor can Muster. Circe is far superior to Thor in magic, and yet even she can't use her magic against Diana. Circe who was able to completely throw every pantheon in the DCU for a loop. Thanks. WW has been hit by Superman at light speed, Hit by a demon who had all the power of hell, hit by a doomsday clone that was 2 as strong as the orginal, and you think a good hit across the head with the hammer is going to knock her out. First of all, WW has shown greater combat speed than Thor. So exactly how is he going to be hitting her across her head? SHe can deflect that hammer with her bracelets. Now on to Superman. Superman may be weak to magic, but he's so damn fast and strong, you dont' want to fight someone who is as tuff as you or tuffer, and as strong or stronger than you, and waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster. I dont' give a damn if Thor can summon a psychich jiggly puff lightning phoenix storm chock full of Superman killing magic. If superman puches him acouple hundred times before he gets to lift the hammer, what good is all that versatility going to do him?

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator destroyed a planet, I never seen superman do that.

Maybe because he's not a dick, and he doesn't like risking the lives of others?

He has on the other hand, braced half of eternity (kinda redundant, no?), and moved an object that dwarfed our solar system.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator fought ego the planet, a galactis powered being

Galactus jobs to lower level beings everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Not to mention, along with Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill and Thor beat Ego as well. Are you gonna tell me they = Galactus now? Pfffffft.

Originally posted by carver9
I never seen superman accomplish anything like that without the aid of someone to help him.

He's beaten somebody who's made DC's equivalent to Eternity look like a child.

Originally posted by c
arver9 I have never seen superman go 100 times the speed of light

Flying from the earth to the sun in seconds.

Flying so fast that he created a boom tube in the time/space dimension which enabled him to instantly travel to his location.

Yeah, he's nowhere near as fast...

Originally posted by carver9
something that flash might struggle to do.

Flash has feats that absolutely bones 100x the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
I have never seen superman fly towards the earth and make the entire city shake.

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All that's required to do is fly at super sonic speeds, which creates sonic booms. Nothing Superman can't easily do.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator by far is superman's superior

Based on what, exactly? You're using low end feats for Superman, and high end ones for Glads. I could do the same thing, except Gladiator's low end feats are even more embarrassing.

Superman is also a lot more versatile than Gladiator is.

Originally posted by carver9
and for the matter thor can take superman out as well and quite easily

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Thor would get knocked out before he even knew what was going on.

Superman's speed advantage trumps Thor's overall versatility advantage.

Originally posted by carver9
since thor is the better fighter and have more power at his disposal than superman would ever dream of.

See above.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman might be fast but thor have been fighting super speedster all of his life and have done pretty good.

Thor has had trouble with low level speedsters his entire comic book history. Superman is above any "speedster" Thor has faced.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman gets slapped around by wonder woman

Riiiiiiiiight... she only ended up getting punched from the sun to the earth.

Originally posted by carver9
I have never seen him defeat wonder woman yet in battle and during there last battle (max lord saga) superman was going all out and wonderwomen held back and almost killed superman (could have killed him if she wanted to).

Superman was not in his right state of mind.

Not to mention, what exactly did you think was going to happen in that fight? She was told that she was the ONLY person on Earth that could stop Superman. Do you honestly believe that crap? Kyle, Flash, and J'onn immediately come to mind. I'd much rather pick them than WW.

Fact of the matter was that they wanted to have DC's #1 woman against DC's #1 man. The entire story arc was building to that moment, and it was only to make Wonder Woman look good. In that kind of situation, do you really think that WW would get dropped easily? No. It had to be a climactic battle for the ages. In other stories, Superman has beaten WW w/o too much trouble.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor is far superior than wonderwoman.

Superior, sure. FAR superior though... eh.... not so much.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman is a great character but I put him some notches below gladiator and thor.

Once again... False.

I would like to say that silver surfer by far is faster than superman, gladiator is faster than superman, quicksilver is faster than superman and know how to use his speed better than superman. Thanos is more powerful than superman and stronger, and thor have mud stomped all of them even though they were superior to him in speed. We can all say that superman can speed blitz thor all day but we know that lightning moves a lot faster than superman and since thor lightning is dipped in magic superman will be hurting. Im not calling superman weak or wonderwoman but thor and gladiator is above them. I have seen superman get knocked out plenty of time by captain marvel with just one punch, so what would make it different with thors hammer which is backed up with the strength of thor. You are correct about diana though, she is kind of immune to magic (notice i said kind of). Thor would wear wonderwoman down and take her out of the fight. He do have complete control over weather, he can stabalize her by freezing her and go in for the knock out or he could conjure up about 10 tornadoes and have them come after diana and while shes worried about that he could just pound on her. Gladiator at full confidence, it seems like nothing can stop him. I have witness this guy take full strength blows from people in the 100 ton range and just stand there and smile. Gladiator have some weak showings because he is the villian and a very very powerful villian and just like darkseid, he is meant to look weak at times but I and alot of other people know what he is capable of. Gladiator is based off of pre crisis superman. Gladiator moves planets, superman needed the aid of wonderwoman and martian manhunter to help him move the moon.

Originally posted by carver9
quicksilver is faster than superman and know how to use his speed better than superman.

hysterical2 crylaugh hysterical 😂 😂 😆 🤣

I stopped reading at this point.

Kid, you obviously know absolutely SHIT about Superman. Please go read a Superman comic. Thanks. 🙄

How fast is Superman's running speed? His flight speed is sick, but I honestly haven't seen many good running feats of his. Know any off the top of your head, Batdude?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
How fast is Superman's running speed? His flight speed is sick, but I honestly haven't seen many good running feats of his. Know any off the top of your head, Batdude?

Superman's Running Speed is near light speed. The flash commented on this several times. As a matter of Fact, SUPERGIRL, was able to nearly match flash RUNNING. Superman can fly many many many times the speed of light.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
How fast is Superman's running speed? His flight speed is sick, but I honestly haven't seen many good running feats of his. Know any off the top of your head, Batdude?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
How fast is Superman's running speed? His flight speed is sick, but I honestly haven't seen many good running feats of his. Know any off the top of your head, Batdude?

2000 miles/second

Originally posted by carver9
I would like to say that silver surfer by far is faster than superman, gladiator is faster than superman, quicksilver is faster than superman and know how to use his speed better than superman. Thanos is more powerful than superman and stronger, and thor have mud stomped all of them even though they were superior to him in speed. We can all say that superman can speed blitz thor all day but we know that lightning moves a lot faster than superman and since thor lightning is dipped in magic superman will be hurting. Im not calling superman weak or wonderwoman but thor and gladiator is above them. I have seen superman get knocked out plenty of time by captain marvel with just one punch, so what would make it different with thors hammer which is backed up with the strength of thor. You are correct about diana though, she is kind of immune to magic (notice i said kind of). Thor would wear wonderwoman down and take her out of the fight. He do have complete control over weather, he can stabalize her by freezing her and go in for the knock out or he could conjure up about 10 tornadoes and have them come after diana and while shes worried about that he could just pound on her. Gladiator at full confidence, it seems like nothing can stop him. I have witness this guy take full strength blows from people in the 100 ton range and just stand there and smile. Gladiator have some weak showings because he is the villian and a very very powerful villian and just like darkseid, he is meant to look weak at times but I and alot of other people know what he is capable of. Gladiator is based off of pre crisis superman. Gladiator moves planets, superman needed the aid of wonderwoman and martian manhunter to help him move the moon.

Where do I begin. First of all, You honestly think Bad weather is going to bother or frighten Diana? A woman who has taken the full brunt of a blast from Zeus, The God of Bad weather. HAH. just stop it now. ANd As far as Superman Needing help from MM and WW to move the moon, remember they also moved the EARTH. Say it with me. EARTH. And Superman and Wonder Woman have held, albiet briefly, the weight of Eternity in the spectre. There is no way to quantify the measurement of this as it is off the scales, which is why they left it open the way they did. Also, Superman is like nothing Gladiator has ever faced. A complete copy of him. How do you think his confidence is going to be when he finds out that he's not the only one. While Superman has fought many clones of himself. MM, CM, Zod, Bizarro, Majestic and more.

Originally posted by batdude123
2000 miles/second

That is not his top speed. They were running in populated areas. I'm sure they could rev it up more.

batdude123 I can tell that you love superman, I do to but gladiator is far better than him. Like i said before gladiator have weak showing more than superman does is because he's a villian. It is stated on all of gladiator bios that his strength and speed is unlimited. Stop using that junk about wonderwoman was suppose to look good against superman, she was his superior in that comic, she held back the entire time and was still winning. She could have killed superman from what me and you and have seen and it happened, so deal with it. Venom also mud stomped superman and spiderman at the same time what happened to superman speed then, can we say that it didnt work. I know you will call that PIS but it happened just like the cannonball thing with gladiator (even though gladiator wasnt defeated and even though cannonball absorbed the impact of a punch that was going to knock him from earth to the moon. Superman have been owned by spiderman (who had the aid of luthor, had spiderman surrounded in red sunlight) spiderman was slapping superman all around that city until luthor took the light away from him. Like I said I love superman, I have his emblem all around my house but I know his capabilities and I know gladiator capabilities and thors and superman cannot win against them. By the way superman cant fly from the earth to the moon, it is stated on his page on dc.com that it takes superman 2 to 3 min to fly from earth to the moon. It was also classified in the wizard book that had superman on the front cover that superman can only move at the speed of sound, not light. They said that he dont come close to that speed anymore. Now precrisis superman yeah he did move at that speed but post sups will never do that again but gladiator live his life moving at that speed.

Originally posted by carver9
batdude123 I can tell that you love superman, I do to but gladiator is far better than him. Like i said before gladiator have weak showing more than superman does is because he's a villian. It is stated on all of gladiator bios that his strength and speed is unlimited. Stop using that junk about wonderwoman was suppose to look good against superman, she was his superior in that comic, she held back the entire time and was still winning. She could have killed superman from what me and you and have seen and it happened, so deal with it. Venom also mud stomped superman and spiderman at the same time what happened to superman speed then, can we say that it didnt work. I know you will call that PIS but it happened just like the cannonball thing with gladiator (even though gladiator wasnt defeated and even though cannonball absorbed the impact of a punch that was going to knock him from earth to the moon. Superman have been owned by spiderman (who had the aid of luthor, had spiderman surrounded in red sunlight) spiderman was slapping superman all around that city until luthor took the light away from him. Like I said I love superman, I have his emblem all around my house but I know his capabilities and I know gladiator capabilities and thors and superman cannot win against them. By the way superman cant fly from the earth to the moon, it is stated on his page on dc.com that it takes superman 2 to 3 min to fly from earth to the moon. It was also classified in the wizard book that had superman on the front cover that superman can only move at the speed of sound, not light. They said that he dont come close to that speed anymore. Now precrisis superman yeah he did move at that speed but post sups will never do that again but gladiator live his life moving at that speed.

I just have one question, When Superman and WW fought, How did Superman end up so close to the sun? and How did he follow her back to the earth so fast if He can't fly that fast any more? do you know how long it would take him to fly from the sun to earth at the speed of sound? Good lord he would be dead before he hit earth. It takes more than the speed of sound to get to the moon in 2 or 3 minutes. So i'm failing to see where you get the speed of sound from.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just have one question, When Superman and WW fought, How did Superman end up so close to the sun? and How did he follow her back to the earth so fast if He can't fly that fast any more? do you know how long it would take him to fly from the sun to earth and the speed of sound? Good lord he would be dead before he hit earth. It takes more than the speed of sound to get to the moon in 2 or 3 minutes. So i'm failing to see where you get the speed of sound from.

Do you know that when your in space, (for people with superspeed not humans) you move faster than you would besides at a place with gravity. Silver surfer moves millions of times faster in space than he would on the planet earth, thats how superman got back that fast. Like I said writters stated that superman only moves at 2000 mps, I know it hurt you to know this but that is his max speed.

Originally posted by batdude123
I wasn't talking about what you listed for Gladiator.

I was talking about your description of Superman.

POST-Crisis Superman easily has feats that put him over those...

Glads is Superman-lite.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where do I begin. First of all, You honestly think Bad weather is going to bother or frighten Diana? A woman who has taken the full brunt of a blast from Zeus, The God of Bad weather. HAH. just stop it now. ANd As far as Superman Needing help from MM and WW to move the moon, remember they also moved the EARTH. Say it with me. EARTH. And Superman and Wonder Woman have held, albiet briefly, the weight of Eternity in the spectre. There is no way to quantify the measurement of this as it is off the scales, which is why they left it open the way they did. Also, Superman is like nothing Gladiator has ever faced. A complete copy of him. How do you think his confidence is going to be when he finds out that he's not the only one. While Superman has fought many clones of himself. MM, CM, Zod, Bizarro, Majestic and more.

glad I didnt forget about this post: Lets not forget that gladiator fought 2 people of equal power of superman and one of them got there neck broke. He fought hyperion and realized that hyperion had almost the same powers as him and broke his neck and he didnt lose any confident. Then he fought someone who is superior to superman, Supreme and it was a stalemate, they couldnt beat each other. Superman and gladiator are on different pages. A full confident gladiator would annihalate superman and his powers put superman to shame. I do remember superman pulling the planet earth along with martian manhunter and wonderwoman, gladiator might could have done that by himself since it is stated everywhere that his strength dont have a limit, his strength is limitless, do you know what that mean.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you know that when your in space, (for people with superspeed not humans) you move faster than you would besides at a place with gravity. Silver surfer moves millions of times faster in space than he would on the planet earth, thats how superman got back that fast. Like I said writters stated that superman only moves at 2000 mps, I know it hurt you to know this but that is his max speed.

Actually that is not what it says. first of all, the flash was commenting on the speed they were running in a POPULATED area. RUNNING. He never said it was thier top speed, and Superman certainly didn't look like he was in an actual running stance. you know how when people run at top speed they are leaning forward. Check out the first superman vs flash race comic to see what I mean. they looked to be sprinting. especially since they were in the Earth's atmosphere and Superman doesn't have flashes aura that protects the innocents. And gravity has absolutely no effect on the capability of Superman's speed. try that one again.

Originally posted by carver9
glad I didnt forget about this post: Lets not forget that gladiator fought 2 people of equal power of superman and one of them got there neck broke. He fought hyperion and realized that hyperion had almost the same powers as him and broke his neck and he didnt lose any confident. Then he fought someone who is superior to superman, Supreme and it was a stalemate, they couldnt beat each other. Superman and gladiator are on different pages. A full confident gladiator would annihalate superman and his powers put superman to shame. I do remember superman pulling the planet earth along with martian manhunter and wonderwoman, gladiator might could have done that by himself since it is stated everywhere that his strength dont have a limit, his strength is limitless, do you know what that mean.

First of all, if Glads strength was limitless, he wouldn't have gotten more powerful when he got the Unipower. How can you increase someone's power when they are already limitless. Thanks, try that one again. Glads is a copy and a copy is never as good as the original. Supermna wins on sheer originality. And he also wins becuz Glads has gotten Taken down by far less than Superman. The best thing you can say is Diana was hanging with Superman. A woman who can beat the hulk. I'd say it's not such an embarrassment for Superman. But certainly Glads has been humiliated before by far less than Wonder Women.

First of all, if Glads strength was limitless, he wouldn't have gotten more powerful when he got the Unipower.

thats like saying Hulk has no use for the power gem since he can already get to infinite strength 🙄