Who Is a Christian?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, but they beleive everyone goes there no matter what....

* pretty one-sided, right? because there are good people, and there are bad...

"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Daniel 12:2

* do you think it's justice, that both good and bad people goes to heaven? of course not... there's heaven for good, and hell for bad... and no good person will go to hell...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Some of them were raised to beleive in Christ, so they do.

Others like Christ's messages, so they follow.

The others beleive the Bible contains some truth, but some lies.

Point is [b]NONE of them beleive in the INFALLABILITY of the Bible. Are they still Christian ? [/B]

* in a casual answer, in general, yes they still are... but if we will inject strict Bible references, Christians are:

"And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church, and taught a large company of people; and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians."
Acts 11:26

* Christians = the disciples of Christ... and what is the main characteristic of a disciple?

"Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,"
John 8:31

* a disciple is a person who continues to abide the words and laws of God and Christ...

Originally posted by Jadyn
Romans 9:6b-8(New International Version)
For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[b] 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

The Christian Church, as a whole, is the replacement of Israel. We(Gentiles: Any-non Israeli Christian) have been grafted in to Israel, and thus receive everything that entails.

"But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently."
Luke 16:15-16

* the law of Moses and the prophets were only until John the Baptist... when Jesus came, some of the laws are changed...

"For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well."
Hebrews 7:12

* why are some laws changed?

"And by him every one that believeth is justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."
Acts 13:39

* we could not be justified by the law of Moses...

"And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:11

* but we can be justified by the laws of God through Christ... 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Point is [b]NONE of them beleive in the INFALLABILITY of the Bible. Are they still Christian ? [/B]

Regardless of this they could still be saved it is true, however, I believe a sharp reprimand would be coming to them. If they believe in Jesus as their Savior and do good, then yes they can come into the kingdom.

Food for thought: if the Bible is indeed the preserved word of God and they disbelieve it they make God to be a liar. There are likely repercussions for this, but obviously that would be for God to judge not us.

Originally posted by Jadyn
Romans 9:6b-8(New International Version)
For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[b] 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

The Christian Church, as a whole, is the replacement of Israel. We(Gentiles: Any-non Israeli Christian) have been grafted in to Israel, and thus receive everything that entails.

The devil believes in Jesus. He is most certainly not a Christian.

I agree. I stopped using NIV and switched to Inter-Linear Greek and KJV about two months ago. The difference is very noticeable. However, the NIV still gives the meaning of the Bible and I think it is useful as somethings are harder to understand in the KJV. However, once you are searching deeper the KJV is needed.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And Not necessarily be a Christian ?

I know a lot of people, freinds and some family members, who pray to God, and pray to Jesus all the time....especially during Holiday dinners, and during times of crisis.

However, these same people do not beleive in the validity of the Bible....they are appalled by the allowance of violence and oppression in the old Testament, as well as hypocrisy and the absurd details:

Details such as the fact that Homosexual men were put to death, the fact that daughters could be sold into slavery, the fact that people could be put to death for wearing polyester, or eating red meat, or shellfish, etc.

Some of these people also do not attend Mass, and still explore other cultural existances such as Buddhism, and have a great respect for and dependency on science.

And the most common thing.....

A DISBELEIF in HELL

Now, these people share a lot of my perceptions, except for the fact that they still beleive Christ is God, or Christ is the son of God, and beleive he is the key to spiritual salvation and moral progression.

So.......

My question is....

Is FAITH in CHRIST valid if you disregard the Bible and certain aspects of the Christian mythology ?

Do people like this still qualify as Christians ?

One either accepts all of Jesus, or they accept none of him. I think if one willfully omits portions of the bible, they're not really trying to follow Christ. No one is perfect though, so even those who faithfully follow him will make mistakes. But if one has faith, they will also have faith in Jesus disciplining them lovingly if they've made a poor decision. And don't forget there is still a thing called forgiveness and mercy, which is used at God's descretion when examining the intentions of an individual's heart.

Originally posted by Gannon
The devil believes in Jesus. He is most certainly not a Christian.

Can you post that scripture please?

Originally posted by Nellinator
I agree. I stopped using NIV and switched to Inter-Linear Greek and KJV about two months ago. The difference is very noticeable. However, the NIV still gives the meaning of the Bible and I think it is useful as somethings are harder to understand in the KJV. However, once you are searching deeper the KJV is needed.

Hey..you used the same transitional modifier "however" at the beginning of two seperate sentences!! It should only be used between two independant clauses, not at the beginning of a sentence. Be careful about doing that. People in this forum and in real life can use that against you to damage your credibility; however, despite using the word incorrectly, your argument was well thought out none the less..😉

Originally posted by Nellinator
I agree. I stopped using NIV and switched to Inter-Linear Greek and KJV about two months ago. The difference is very noticeable. However, the NIV still gives the meaning of the Bible and I think it is useful as somethings are harder to understand in the KJV. However, once you are searching deeper the KJV is needed.

Originally posted by Thundar
One either accepts all of Jesus, or they accept none of him. I think if one willfully omits portions of the bible, they're not really trying to follow Christ. No one is perfect though, so even those who faithfully follow him will make mistakes. But if one has faith, they will also have faith in Jesus disciplining them lovingly if they've made a poor decision. And don't forget there is still a thing called forgiveness and mercy, which is used at God's descretion when examining the intentions of an individual's heart.

How do you truly know the Bible is a part of Jesus ?

How do you know it wasn't a bunch of greedy men mistranslating what Christ said ?

There are so many Gospels missing, so many books omitted.....the Bible has been editted throughout history, that is fact.

What makes you so certain the current Bible is infallible and true ? that's foolish !

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How do you truly know the Bible is a part of Jesus ?

How do you know it wasn't a bunch of greedy men mistranslating what Christ said ?

There are so many Gospels missing, so many books omitted.....the Bible has been editted throughout history, that is fact.

What makes you so certain the current Bible is infallible and true ? that's foolish !

The Bible was assembled in one place first at the Council of Nicene under the Roman Empire. Several hundred bishops and Cardinals spent a few days fasting and praying and then voted on what books would be considered Biblical Canon.

The Bible in the 66-book form we know it was assembled by Martin Luther and his followers when he began to translate the Vulgate.

So yeah, the Bible has been tampered with. As for why we believe the Bible is the way it is, and that it is true, is that it is 1. not self-contradicting (when read with the correct contexts and nuances of language given to it, which is not always done in modern translations. People who have read the Bible in the original Greek and Hebrew tend to say that alot of the supposed "truths" we take form the English translations are actually misinterpretations.) 2. For the understanding of the day and age it was written in, accurate. 3. The same reason we believe in God in the first place. Faith.

Originally posted by Jadyn
The Bible was assembled in one place first at the Council of Nicene under the Roman Empire. Several hundred bishops and Cardinals spent a few days fasting and praying and then voted on what books would be considered Biblical Canon.

The Bible in the 66-book form we know it was assembled by Martin Luther and his followers when he began to translate the Vulgate.

So yeah, the Bible has been tampered with. As for why we believe the Bible is the way it is, and that it is true, is that it is 1. not self-contradicting (when read with the correct contexts and nuances of language given to it, which is not always done in modern translations. People who have read the Bible in the original Greek and Hebrew tend to say that alot of the supposed "truths" we take form the English translations are actually misinterpretations.) 2. For the understanding of the day and age it was written in, accurate. 3. The same reason we believe in God in the first place. Faith.

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THAT'S juz plain WRONG and misleading BRO..THE BIBLE ALWAYS STANDS THE TEST THE TIME FOR THE REAL CHRISTIAN, cause THEY HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST'S WORD BEING FLAWLESS!!

So despite ANY TAMPERINGS by man, IF one has faith IN CHRIST, THEY'LL Always be ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HIS WORDS, REGARDLESS OF ANY HUMAN ERROR OR MISTRANSLATIONS!!

DAMB ur bad at this BRO..but atleast YOU STILL HAVE ur day job..

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Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
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THAT'S juz plain WRONG and misleading BRO..THE BIBLE ALWAYS STANDS THE TEST THE TIME FOR THE REAL CHRISTIAN, cause THEY HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST'S WORD BEING FLAWLESS!!

So despite ANY TAMPERINGS by man, IF one has faith IN CHRIST, THEY'LL Always be ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HIS WORDS, REGARDLESS OF ANY HUMAN ERROR OR MISTRANSLATIONS!!

DAMB ur bad at this BRO..but atleast YOU STILL HAVE ur day job..

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PWNED!!

Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
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THAT'S juz plain WRONG and misleading BRO..THE BIBLE ALWAYS STANDS THE TEST THE TIME FOR THE REAL CHRISTIAN, cause THEY HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST'S WORD BEING FLAWLESS!!

So despite ANY TAMPERINGS by man, IF one has faith IN CHRIST, THEY'LL Always be ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HIS WORDS, REGARDLESS OF ANY HUMAN ERROR OR MISTRANSLATIONS!!

DAMB ur bad at this BRO..but atleast YOU STILL HAVE ur day job..

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Yeah..I must admit, the impersonation is a rather pathetic one. Good points above btw. Christ's word will definitely stand the test of time, and the believer will be able to recognize him and/or understand his word, despite the any mistakes made by man. For as it is written.

John 10:27

The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.

Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
[b]PWNED!! [/B]

It is not good to quote yourself right after you posted.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is not good to quote yourself right after you posted.

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Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
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Double posting is frond upon. Just add your comment at the end of your first post. 😄

Still no consensus as to who is a Christian?

i am....just not a real one like pat robertson because god never returns my calls.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In the United States, there are over 1,500 denominations, organizations, and non-denominational groups that identify as Christian.

Suppose one is given a description of each of the over 1,500 groups who identify as Christian, and is then asked to sort them into those groups that are truly Christian and those that are not.

Some will consider all of the groups to be Christian, some will consider only one of the groups to be Christian, and others will consider some of the groups to be Christian and not others.

This begs the question, "Who is a Christian?"

Christians...