Who Is a Christian?

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According to Gregory, anyone who claims to be a Christian is Christian:

Originally posted by Gregory
And?

If you say you're a Christian, you're a Christian. Maybe not a particularly goood one, but that's a different question.

According to peejayd, those who claim to be Christian but do not do good works are not Christian:

Originally posted by peejayd
* however, there are some religious organizations that rejects the divinity of Jesus, but still claims to be Christians... you can ask mr.jury about that...

* i disagree that there are bad Christians... if they are bad, then they are not Christians because Christian follow the laws of Christ... laws of love, faith and hope...

* Christians should not have different types or kinds... Christians are blatantly described in the Bible and those not qualified in it are not Christians... 😉

Both cannot be correct.

You will never find a correct answer, Adam Poe, since no Christian will come to a mutual agreement on this.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know nothing about Unitarians.

Unitarians are a nontrinitarian group that deny the doctrine that God is three distinct persons in one. They believe that God is one being who consists of one "person"—the Father. Jesus is not the Son of God, but merely a good and wise man who taught others how to lead a better life.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I was not disagreeing with Capt Fantastic.

I didn't realize he was accusing you of doing so.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I didn't realize he was accusing you of doing so.

It seems Adam Poe thought I was trying to correct you with my argument. I was not. I was simply referring to the statement that some people are trying to make...the claim that without a God, there are no "real" Christians.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Unitarians are a nontrinitarian group that deny the doctrine that God is three distinct persons in one. They believe that God is one being who consists of one "person"—the Father. Jesus is not the Son of God, but merely a good and wise man who taught others how to lead a better life.

Thanks. Now I don't know what is a true Christian. Maybe there is really no such thing. 😄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You will never find a correct answer, Adam Poe, since no Christian will come to a mutual agreement on this.

You could say, that being a Christian is: Believing that Jesus of Nazareth was God in the flesh, believing that he was crucified for the purpose of cleansing the sins of humanity, receiving that salvation and his presence (through the Holy Spirit) into your soul, and accepting his teachings and instructions as the basis for living your life.

The different Christian denominations are (mostly) concerned with how one interprets and follows his words.

And I agree, you will probably never get a consensus on that, as people are flawed and see things through their own eyes as they want them to be.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Unitarians are a nontrinitarian group that deny the doctrine that God is three distinct persons in one. They believe that God is one being who consists of one "person"—the Father. Jesus is not the Son of God, but merely a good and wise man who taught others how to lead a better life.

Just as a side note, I've always found this line of thinking to be terribly contradictory and foolish.

Whether from Unitarians, or just the common man who says: "Yeah, Jesus was real, a Jewish teacher that was crucified, and he had alot of good ideas about people. He wasn't the son of God, but he's still a good man worth listening to."

HA!

He says flat-out that he is the son of God: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by Me." and that he will return to heaven with his father God: "In my father's house there are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you." "I go to prepare a place for you."

Now for a normal rational person to say that he was a good teacher to listen to is nonsense.

That's like listening to a college professor who claims that he is the illegitimate heir of Bugs Bunny, and that he has the power to shit gold bricks and piss gold coins.

We wouldn't, we'd lock him away for being the raging looney that he is, and we certainly wouldn't give credence to anything that he says.

So you must take Jesus at his word, ALL of it:

Either he is the Son of Man, God in the flesh come to save humanity

or

he's the craziest person who ever lived.

But this "good teacher" crap is a complete cop-out by those people who can't deny his existence but don't want to acknowledge his divinity.

The only other option for people who think that way is to say that he was insane.

Lastly, I don't believe in a religion per se.

I don't have a "religion"..... I have a relationship with the very real God.

And hey, when I pray to him, in the name of his Son who saved me, using his Holy Spirit inside of me as my way of connection....

good things happen.

Jobs are given, blessings bestowed.
Family members are cured of Hepatitis, church members toddler children fall from 2nd story windows and rupture their spleens, yet receive healing that doctors at UC Davis cannot explain. (PM if you want to hear about that last one, it was only a month ago.)

😎

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I didn't realize he was accusing you of doing so.

I do not understand where he is getting that either.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You could say, that being a Christian is: Believing that Jesus of Nazareth was God in the flesh, believing that he was crucified for the purpose of cleansing the sins of humanity, receiving that salvation and his presence (through the Holy Spirit) into your soul, and accepting his teachings and instructions as the basis for living your life.

The different Christian denominations are (mostly) concerned with how one interprets and follows his words.

And I agree, you will probably never get a consensus on that, as people are flawed and see things through their own eyes as they want them to be.

Just as a side note, I've always found this line of thinking to be terribly contradictory and foolish.

Whether from Unitarians, or just the common man who says: "Yeah, Jesus was real, a Jewish teacher that was crucified, and he had alot of good ideas about people. He wasn't the son of God, but he's still a good man worth listening to."

HA!

He says flat-out that he is the son of God: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by Me." and that he will return to heaven with his father God: "In my father's house there are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you." "I go to prepare a place for you."

Now for a normal rational person to say that he was a good teacher to listen to is nonsense.

That's like listening to a college professor who claims that he is the illegitimate heir of Bugs Bunny, and that he has the power to shit gold bricks and piss gold coins.

We wouldn't, we'd lock him away for being the raging looney that he is, and we certainly wouldn't give credence to anything that he says.

So you must take Jesus at his word, ALL of it:

Either he is the Son of Man, God in the flesh come to save humanity

or

he's the craziest person who ever lived.

But this "good teacher" crap is a complete cop-out by those people who can't deny his existence but don't want to acknowledge his divinity.

The only other option for people who think that way is to say that he was insane.

Lastly, I don't believe in a religion per se.

I don't have a "religion"..... I have a relationship with the very real God.

And hey, when I pray to him, in the name of his Son who saved me, using his Holy Spirit inside of me as my way of connection....

good things happen.

Jobs are given, blessings bestowed.
Family members are cured of Hepatitis, church members toddler children fall from 2nd story windows and rupture their spleens, yet receive healing that doctors at UC Davis cannot explain. (PM if you want to hear about that last one, it was only a month ago.)

😎

So, who is a christian?

Re: Who Is a Christian?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This begs the question, "Who is a Christian?"

I can't help but think that this is some kind of trap.

Anyway, a Christian is anyone who...

1. Believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
2. Believes that Jesus Christ was sent to die for our sins and was the perfect sacrifice.
3. Has asked that Christ forgive them of their sins.
4. Follows the teachings of Christ.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I can't help but think that this is some kind of trap.

Anyway, a Christian is anyone who...

1. Believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
2. Believes that Jesus Christ was sent to die for our sins and was the perfect sacrifice.
3. Has asked that Christ forgive them of their sins.
4. Follows the teachings of Christ.

Are Mormons christian then?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are Mormons christian then?

Newp.

They're a Christian sect...and by "Christian sect" I mean "pretty damn blasphemous but are loosely baesd on Christianity."

Originally posted by FeceMan
Newp.

I do not compute.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do not compute.

I added more after the initial post.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I added more after the initial post.

Cool.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Cool.

Like ice.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Like ice.

Or the Sun.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They believe that God is one being who consists of one "person"—the Father. Jesus is not the Son of God, but merely a good and wise man who taught others how to lead a better life.

That's also what Jews and Muslims believe; there is only one God and Jesus was one of his prophets.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to Gregory, anyone who claims to be a Christian is Christian:

According to peejayd, those who claim to be Christian but do not do good works are not Christian:

Both cannot be correct.

* yes, both cannot be correct... allow me to expound...

"As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
John 8:30-31

* believing is not enough... people who continue in Jesus' words are His disciples...

"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
Acts 11:26

* and those disciples who continue in Jesus' words are Christians...

Originally posted by FeceMan
I can't help but think that this is some kind of trap.

Anyway, a Christian is anyone who...

1. Believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
2. Believes that Jesus Christ was sent to die for our sins and was the perfect sacrifice.
3. Has asked that Christ forgive them of their sins.
4. Follows the teachings of Christ.

* numbers 1-3 can be done hypocritically... number 4 owns them all...

"If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
John 7:17

* people who claim to be Christians who do not follow Jesus' doctrine, are not Christians... 😉

Numbers 1-3 are meant to be done in conjunction with number 4.