Who Is a Christian?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Jesus never called himself the "Christ" nor the"Messiah".

OH, and you can find what Jesus taught and only what he taught in the Gospel of "Q"

A little info about it.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=542

"He said to them, But who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 16:15-17

"And he asked them, But who do you say that I am? Peter answered him, You are the Christ.
And he charged them to tell no one about him."
Mark 8:29-30

"And he said to them, But who do you say that I am? And Peter answered, The Christ of God.
But he charged and commanded them to tell this to no one,"
Luke 9:20-21

"But Jesus was silent. And the high priest said to him, I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.
Jesus said to him, You have said so. But I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Matthew 26:63-64

"But he was silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I am; and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
Mark 14:61-62

"If you are the Christ, tell us. But he said to them, If I tell you, you will not believe;
And if I ask you, you will not answer.
But from now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.
And they all said, Are you the Son of God, then? And he said to them, You say that I am."
Luke 22:67-70

Originally posted by FeceMan
Numbers 1-3 are meant to be done in conjunction with number 4.

* true, but as i've said, any group can claim doing it (#1-3)... #4 deals with much gravity... 😉

"And he asked them, But who do you say that I am? Peter answered him, You are the Christ.
And he charged them to tell no one about him."
Mark 8:29-30

First of all Jesus didn't say it. Peter did. And we all know the RC church is said to be of Peter....right?

Originally posted by debbiejo
But it doesn't say why.

First of all Jesus didn't say it. Peter did.

* yes, Saint Peter said it... and Jesus confirmed... Matthew 16:15-17...

Originally posted by debbiejo
And we all know the RC church is said to be of Peter....right?

* that's a Catholic doctrine... NOT a Christian doctrine... the Rock is Christ, not Saint Peter... 😉

* yes, Saint Peter said it... and Jesus confirmed.Matthew 16:15-17....

Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? 3 No one is good but God alone.
Mark 10:18 I think

Why does Jesus say this then. Isn't he god?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to Nellinator, the belief that The Bible is the word of God is essential to being a Christian:

According to -hh-, the belief that The Bible is the word of God is not essential to being a Christian:

Both cannot be correct.

when did i say this

"the belief that The Bible is the word of God is not essential to being a Christian:"

all i said was that the word of God is interpreted differently due to all the translations and the perspective of the believers. But the message should be the same (if truely Christian)

why am i not correct? since i contradict what another person says, that makes my point not valid?

Originally posted by debbiejo
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Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? 3 No one is good but God alone.
Mark 10:18 I think

Why does Jesus say this then. Isn't he god?

"And Jesus said onto him, "Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one , that is, God" Mark 10:18

Jesus and the Father are one...
Q.E.D.

Remember at that time there was NO punctuation..........just like the verse that has split denominations.

I say unto you, today you will be with me in paradise.

I say unto you today, you will be with me in paradise.

No punctuations.........

In that verse Jesus could be saying only god is good. It says nothing about him being god.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Wow do I hate NIV more and more every day. KJV too actually.

"And Jesus said onto him, "Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one , that is, God" Mark 10:18

Jesus and the Father are one...
Q.E.D.

It sounds like Jesus is calling himself human.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It sounds like Jesus is calling himself human.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not if you read further. He elaborates his point and shows his lordship over eternal life around Mark 10:29ish.

I don't remember Mark 10:29ish. 😆 Is that from a new translation? 😆

Yes. 😐

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes. 😐

none180

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In the United States, there are over 1,500 denominations, organizations, and non-denominational groups that identify as Christian.

Suppose one is given a description of each of the over 1,500 groups who identify as Christian, and is then asked to sort them into those groups that are truly Christian and those that are not.

Some will consider all of the groups to be Christian, some will consider only one of the groups to be Christian, and others will consider some of the groups to be Christian and not others.

This begs the question, "Who is a Christian?"

anyone who belives in 3 gods "god the farther god the son and god the holy ghost"

To chime in on the Mark 10:18 discussion:

Mark 10:17 says, "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"

My initial reaction to the question at hand would be that the man did not believe that Jesus was divine but rather human, and thus describing Christ--in the man's belief--as merely human.

EDIT: Furthermore, Christ may have been asking the man to justify why he described Christ as good.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Furthermore, Christ may have been asking the man to justify why he described Christ as good.

So, who wants to party at the reincarnation thread?

It's pretty much over, I think, so we might as well make use of it.

There's a party there??? OK, here I come.wine

"And Jesus answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel's, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time - houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions - and in the age to come, eternal life'," (Mark 10:29,30, New King James). Still can be looked at as a reincarnation view also.

Also you can look at the story of Nicodemous. that way.

Also:

Hebrews 9:27 and read: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment."

Judgement could mean the sowing and reaping of this life that would follow you to the next one.

Originally posted by debbiejo
There's a party there??? OK, here I come.wine

"And Jesus answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel's, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time - houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions - and in the age to come, eternal life'," (Mark 10:29,30, New King James). Still can be looked at as a reincarnation view also.

Also you can look at the story of Nicodemous. that way.

Also:

Hebrews 9:27 and read: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment."

Judgement could mean the sowing and reaping of this life that would follow you to the next one.

All literal interpretations of any holy text involve some degree of selective ignorance.