Originally posted by leonidas
mm,
does it say anywhere in the arc that abraxas was the "multiversal destroyer?" no. in fact, nothing remotely like that was shown.
Not in those exact words, but I posted these scans previously of Abraxas conclusively being depicted as the SHATTERER of Universes,
and Roma flat out says,
"If we don't act soon ALL of TIME (the Multi-verse) will be LOST to us" (with a Statue of Abraxas in her hands)
right after Franklin says,
"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man" (Abraxas)
Is she not saying that Abraxas will destroy the Multi-verse in other words?
IMAGINE a World WHERE: (in other Universes)
IMAGINE a World WHERE: (in other Universes)
From the WRITER'S own Words:
"IMAGINE EACH of those Worlds (other Universes) like Sand in an Hourglass, an Hourglass which ABRAXAS WILL SHATTER"
"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man"
"And if we don't act SOON, ALL of TIME will be LOST to us"
Because of WHO?
Because of the "Dark Man" (Abraxas)
Originally posted by leonidas
when DID abraxas become a threat to "all realities"? when he got the UN.
I disagree,
Abraxas only wanted the UN so that no one could use it on him.
Abraxas never intended on using the UN.
"You NEVER intended to fire the Nullifier for the very same reason I must"
Also, Abraxas was collapsing the Multi-verse before he got his hands on the UN, it doesn't really matter cause,
"You NEVER intended to fire the Nullifier"
Originally posted by leonidas
all your scans of warlock are meaningless. you've proven my point for me -- you criticize and demand ON PANEL PROOF from anyone you debate, and yet . . . not one time -- ANYWHERE in those scans -- is multi-eternity mentioned.
Didn't have to be mentioned, the rest of the dialogue speaks for itself.
If you disagree, fine.
Originally posted by leonidas
kk explained it away easily.
😂
Originally posted by leonidas
hear me when i say this -- i don't care WHAT opinion you hold. i've said that a million times and you know it to be true.
Then consider this our final debate, cause it's pointless having a discussion with someone who will not consider the other's opinion.
If I didn't care about your opinion, I wouldn't reply to you, as in covering Seven full pages just me and you like we did in the your thread.
Not nice to know, but knowledge is nice.
Originally posted by leonidas
you are WELCOME to whatever OPINION you want. just do NOT treat your OPINION as fact,
My information is based on Panel evidence.
Originally posted by leonidas
(like the fact that you feel you "CONCLUSIVELY proved" that thanos "destroyed the multiverse" when you did nothing REMOTELY of the sort)
That is your opinion, which I, ... Do, care about.
But I disagree with,
And it's my opinion that you did nothing to disprove that claim.
Originally posted by leonidas
and do NOT continually scream for on-panel evidence from everyone you debate when you youself so often fashion theories and opinions WITHOUT said proof.
Again, your opinion.
Respected, but disagreed with.
Originally posted by leonidas
if you want to believe abraxas held up the UN to g to secretly say -- "realize what i did to you without this galactus, imagine what i could do to you WITH it" -- well . . . that goes completely against what he ACTUALLY said, i can just imagine what YOU'D say to someone who went ahead in a debate AGAINST you and tried to insert that level of speculation in a scene . . .
I proved conclusively that Abraxas NEVER intended to use the UN, so it goes to show that when he held up the UN, he meant exactly what I said he did.
"You NEVER intended to fire the Nullifier"
Originally posted by leonidas
i can just imagine what YOU'D say to someone who went ahead in a debate AGAINST you and tried to insert that level of speculation in a scene . . .
If it made sense like I just did, I would understand, and that would be that.
Originally posted by leonidas
you still insist that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse, despite what roma herself said about things becoming unhinged because g died.
that's fine. i have on-panel proof that the multiverse's problems were begun by g's death.
Actually you don't have any proof that the Multi-verse was collapsing because 616 G died, 616 G wasn't even dead, he returned to his Natural State, which still upheld the Universal Balance.
But by returning to his Natural State, Abraxas was freed, he who's very Concept is to Destroy.
In the Roma scan,
Again:
Multi-Eternity had to install a Galactus in EVERY single Universe in the Multi-verse just to keep the ONE and ONLY Abraxas at bay.
"INTO EACH REALITY Eternity made certain there was a Galactus to keep Abraxas in check, UNTIL this REALITY'S Galactus DIED, and the DOORS of the Multi-verse became UNHINGED"
This entire explanation by Roma is focusing on what happened when Galactus 616 died, she doesn't say the Multi-verse began to collapse or anything about the Multi-verse,
only how it allowed Abraxas to ESCAPE who would have been kept "IN CHECK" otherwise.
Roma is clearly saying Abraxas was kept in check, UNTIL 616 Galactus died and the Doors of the Multi-verse became unhinged"
What happened when the Doors of the Multi-verse became unhinged, due to Galactus's "death" (return to Natural State)?
Abraxas was FREED.
Roma is not saying the Multi-verse began to collapse, or fold or anything, am I ("inserting that level of speculation in the scene?"😉
Or is that what the scan says?
If you have a scan or a part of the issue where 616 G, is stated to be responsible for the collapse of the Multi-verse, by all means let me know.
These may be the "same old Scans" but it answers the same old question.
You don't care or agree, cool.
Originally posted by leonidas
you even went ahead and reiterated your notion that MULTI-ETERNITY was 'quaking in fear'. seriously, what more is there to say? i DEFY you to find a SINGLE person who will look at any one of your scans and say that MULTI-ETERNITY was quaking in fear of abraxas.
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"
"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"
"Was a Being like NO OTHER I have EVER encountered, his name is ABRAXAS, and to say HE (MULTI-ETERNITY) had nothing to FEAR in our discovery is an UNDERSTATEMENT"
It's an Understatement to say Multi-Eternity "had nothing to fear"
Why did Multi-Eternity seek help if he wasn't afraid?
Why didn't Multi-Eternity or any Eternity do anything or atleast TRIED to do something about Abraxas?
Abaxas is collapsing the Multi-verse, Abraxas is in search of the UN which would make him unstoppable and yet the Cosmics do nothing?
Particularly Eternity or Multi-Eternity do nothing?
Originally posted by leonidas
i was angry earlier as i read some of your posts stating things as facts and deriding people,
"deriding people"
You really were angry, blindingly angry, cause the ONLY person I got tough with was nvrhadaclue, which began to insult me from the get.
Review page one and be thorough.
Originally posted by leonidas
and screaming for on-panel evidence when your main point -- that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse is in no way whatsoever supported.
Your opinion, and I disagree with it.
In my first post today, it's clear Abraxas was the culprit of the Multiversal collapse.
Your obviously not buying that, cool.
Originally posted by leonidas
the collapse had already begun and he had nothing to do with its beginning.abraxas did NOT cause the collapse of the multiverse, 616's galactus's death did.
Interesting...
When Galactus was killed, (returned to his Natural State) the salvation of Worlds is what's mentioned not Multi or Universal damage of any kind.
"you saved countless races from extinction, an Infinity of lives"
In Fact, Galactus himself only warned the Surfer of the coming of Abraxas when he died (returned to his Natural State) not of a Multi or Universal collapse:
"This Horror, that I have become, is the beginning, there is MORE MUCH MORE"
"A GREATER Horror, and a Greater Purpose"
"Galactus's last WARNING, of the Great Evil that STALKS the Universe"
And the issue ended peacefully without even the slightest hint of the Universe or the Multi-verse being in any kind of danger because Big G "died"
except for the one and only true danger, the danger Galactus warmed Surfer about: (and the Watcher also adds to this)
ABRAXAS!
Originally posted by leonidas
and what exactly did your response do? in all your scans, and with all your words, you did not one time actually PROVE a single thing. you showed the same old scans and gave the same old replies.
1. you said over and again that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse.
but it was never shown.
2. you said warlock was speaking to multi-ternity.
but it was never shown.
3. you say thanos absorbed the multiverse.
but it was never shown.
4. you claim eternity's m-body is the whole universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
i also find myself defending the underdog more often than not -- even if i don't fully believe my own points!! it's funny seeing people get riled up or try and counter what they THOUGHT was an open-and-shut case.
hm
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sure, if you discount the times he OPENLY DECIEVED people.Like his bizarre insistince that Insane Genis was stronger then Eternity or Entropy.
Which he "Proved" by posting scans of a different Genis entirely.
Your FULL of shit biatch...
And for lying like that in a vain attempt to smear my name, don't ever ever reply to me, your ass in on the ignore list for life.
