Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Yeah of course you have read the book you don't even remember it first you were saying he only destroyed time after you said it drained all his energy 😆 😆
He did only destroy time, existance is part of time as one poster exlpained to you.
And it did drain all his energy, in Green Lantern #0 which takes place right after he's powerless until Kyle gives him the ring.
And the fact remains he never had the power for a second try.
Originally posted by Starhawk
The new realities were grown out of the different timelines, but it was still only the one universe. And the point stil stands he only had the power to try once. And never again.
Actually you dont' know much about the history of the DCU. Along time ago at the beginning of time, Krona fractured the DCU into the multiverse by messing with the time lines. Each time a new time line is born, it is a whole and seperate universe. Some of these realities/universes are divergents of another time line, some of them have nothing at all to do with the main time line. for instance, Wildstorm, Tangent, and Vertigo are all Alternate Realities and yet not alternate timelines. It was actually multiple Universes. Each reality is a universe unto itself. you should try and read up on the DCU before making blanket statements without freshning up on how the DCU is shaped.
Originally posted by Starhawk
No it's not, That is called Hypertime, which wasn't a multiverse.After the first Crisis the Multiverse was destroyed. Hypertime was alternate timelines of a single universe.
Hypertime isn't the same as the Multiverse.
In World's funnest, They expanded on this and included the greater DC omniverse of vertigo and even the DCU animated. ( which was cannonized by the events of IC)
The Lord of time is implied to be the actual reason there is an omniverse. The all encomaping universe of all comics. later, Krona comes along and is so powerful that he is able to control this omniverse.
In IC, we find out that Hypertime is only a small part of a larger DCmultiverse that is being created by the retcon punches of SBP. When you look at the new world being created when all the universes merge, you can see every alternate earth, tanget comics, wildstorm, even all the Elseworlds tales forging into this one earth. The realities blend into one Super Universe. stronger than all the Others. (which goes back to the history of the DCU. becuz it says that krona split the DCU into the multiverse thus weakening what was supposed to be the one true Super power universe)
Hope this helps. But Hypertime was never alternate timelines of one universe. I dont know who fed you that garbage. That isn't true.
Originally posted by Starhawk
No YOU read IC, The multiverse was destroyed, some people were folded into the new SINGLE universe, Power Girl being one of them.And Hypertime is just off shoots of ONE universe, where as the multiverse was different UNIVERSES not divergent TIMELINES which make up Hypertime.
UM no. How the hell do you explain tanget comics then? what alternate time line where they from? YOu dont', cuz you dont' know what your talking about. And no some people were not folded into the new universe. All the universes were combined. Hence the appearances of new characters from universe never seen. Such as Dr. Impossible. Or the new Gods looking like they did in the 4th world. Gigantic and all. THe last thing in IC talks about this NEW earth. Not the same earth with some subtle changes. It was a new feaking earth with all those universes combined.
Originally posted by StarhawkYeah sure that is why you were talking jackshit all the time in this thread.
Tanget comics was a mistake which to my knowledge never had anything to do with the DC universe. Just because DC owned it doesnt make it anything connected to the DC universe.I've been reading DC before and since the original Crisis. I know very much what I'm talking about.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Tanget comics was a mistake which to my knowledge never had anything to do with the DC universe. Just because DC owned it doesnt make it anything connected to the DC universe.I've been reading DC before and since the original Crisis. I know very much what I'm talking about.
No you don't. BEcuz if tanget comics didn't have anything to do with the DCU, the characters wouldn't have been shown in the Kingdom AND in IC in the little glass shards that made up the Multiverse. Try again.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Please show scans of this?And juggs nice to see your debating style stil consists of nothing but insults.
In both the Original Crisis and IC they make refference to the multiverse being destroyed and they explained Power Girl as simply being folded into the new and single universe.
If the Multiverse were Destroyed as you say, then how come Captain Marvel was able to go to a NEW universe? How come the Spectre regularly crosses from DCU to Vertigo U? The Multiverse wasn't destoyed. Only all those alternate Time lines you like to keep bringing up were destroyed. But then come to find out, those alternate time lines were replaced by the Elseworlds. Those fun stories that no one paid any real attention to actually were the New DCU multiverse. Check it out. This is from the Editors of DCU and shown In the IC.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Read Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis and Zero Hour, they all state that the Multiverse was destroyed.
mm,
does it say anywhere in the arc that abraxas was the "multiversal destroyer?" no. in fact, nothing remotely like that was shown.
when DID abraxas become a threat to "all realities"? when he got the UN.
when did abraxas himself believe himself to be beyond everyone? when he got the UN.
you want to say abraxas wasn't in pain in that scan, fine. that's obstinence speaking. every single person who looks at that scan knows what it's implying.
all your scans of warlock are meaningless. you've proven my point for me -- you criticize and demand ON PANEL PROOF from anyone you debate, and yet . . . not one time -- ANYWHERE in those scans -- is multi-eternity mentioned. kk explained it away easily.
hear me when i say this -- i don't care WHAT opinion you hold. i've said that a million times and you know it to be true. you are WELCOME to whatever OPINION you want. just do NOT treat your OPINION as fact, (like the fact that you feel you "CONCLUSIVELY proved" that thanos "destroyed the multiverse" when you did nothing REMOTELY of the sort) and do NOT continually scream for on-panel evidence from everyone you debate when you youself so often fashion theories and opinions WITHOUT said proof.
if you want to believe abraxas held up the UN to g to secretly say -- "realize what i did to you without this galactus, imagine what i could do to you WITH it" -- well . . . that goes completely against what he ACTUALLY said, it's ridiculous and again obstinant, but that's your perogative. for my part, i can just imagine what YOU'D say to someone who went ahead in a debate AGAINST you and tried to insert that level of speculation in a scene . . .
you still insist that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse, despite what roma herself said about things becoming unhinged because g died.
that's fine. i have on-panel proof that the multiverse's problems were begun by g's death. you have . . . ?
you even went ahead and reiterated your notion that MULTI-ETERNITY was 'quaking in fear'. seriously, what more is there to say? i DEFY you to find a SINGLE person who will look at any one of your scans and say that MULTI-ETERNITY was quaking in fear of abraxas.
i was angry earlier as i read some of your posts stating things as facts and deriding people, and screaming for on-panel evidence when your main point -- that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse is in no way whatsoever supported. but getting angry on the forums is the height of idiocy, and i even proffered an olive branch. but you had to respond anyway.
and what exactly did your response do? in all your scans, and with all your words, you did not one time actually PROVE a single thing. you showed the same old scans and gave the same old replies.
1. you said over and again that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse.
but it was never shown.
2. you said warlock was speaking to multi-ternity.
but it was never shown.
3. you say thanos absorbed the multiverse.
but it was never shown.
4. you claim eternity's m-body is the whole universe.
yet it remained imprisoned by thanos when HE became the universe and even when the m-body left the universe it left a UNIVERSE BEHIND. nor do i need to show a link to the thread to hear what other's think. i know exactly what you did and tried to show. you know what you did and tried to show. that's enough for me.
all of those things listed above, all key points "conclusively proven" by you.
via your interpretation and opinions of said events.
despite 2 seperate sources you still refuse to accept that 616 eternity is made of multiple universes. it's crappy writing, instead of an interpretation (by a writer hired by MARVEL) that is simply different from your own. once again, you've derided so many for going against what has been blatantly shown on panel, and yet . . .?
your response is your own worst enemy.
Originally posted by leonidas
mm,does it say anywhere in the arc that abraxas was the "multiversal destroyer?" no. in fact, nothing remotely like that was shown.
when DID abraxas become a threat to "all realities"? when he got the UN.
when did abraxas himself believe himself to be beyond everyone? when he got the UN.
you want to say abraxas wasn't in pain in that scan, fine. that's obstinence speaking. every single person who looks at that scan knows what it's implying.
all your scans of warlock are meaningless. you've proven my point for me -- you criticize and demand ON PANEL PROOF from anyone you debate, and yet . . . not one time -- ANYWHERE in those scans -- is multi-eternity mentioned. kk explained it away easily.
hear me when i say this -- i don't care WHAT opinion you hold. i've said that a million times and you know it to be true. you are WELCOME to whatever OPINION you want. just do NOT treat your OPINION as fact, (like the fact that you feel you "CONCLUSIVELY proved" that thanos "destroyed the multiverse" when you did nothing REMOTELY of the sort) and do NOT continually scream for on-panel evidence from everyone you debate when you youself so often fashion theories and opinions WITHOUT said proof.
if you want to believe abraxas held up the UN to g to secretly say -- "realize what i did to you without this galactus, imagine what i could do to you WITH it" -- well . . . that goes completely against what he ACTUALLY said, it's ridiculous and again obstinant, but that's your perogative. for my part, i can just imagine what YOU'D say to someone who went ahead in a debate AGAINST you and tried to insert that level of speculation in a scene . . .
you still insist that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse, despite what roma herself said about things becoming unhinged because g died.
that's fine. i have on-panel proof that the multiverse's problems were begun by g's death. you have . . . ?you even went ahead and reiterated your notion that MULTI-ETERNITY was 'quaking in fear'. seriously, what more is there to say? i DEFY you to find a SINGLE person who will look at any one of your scans and say that MULTI-ETERNITY was quaking in fear of abraxas.
i was angry earlier as i read some of your posts stating things as facts and deriding people, and screaming for on-panel evidence when your main point -- that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse is in no way whatsoever supported. but getting angry on the forums is the height of idiocy, and i even proffered an olive branch. but you had to respond anyway.
and what exactly did your response do? in all your scans, and with all your words, you did not one time actually PROVE a single thing. you showed the same old scans and gave the same old replies.
1. you said over and again that abraxas was collapsing the multiverse.
but it was never shown.
2. you said warlock was speaking to multi-ternity.
but it was never shown.
3. you say thanos absorbed the multiverse.
but it was never shown.
4. you claim eternity's m-body is the whole universe.
yet it remained imprisoned by thanos when HE became the universe and even when the m-body left the universe it left a UNIVERSE BEHIND. nor do i need to show a link to the thread to hear what other's think. i know exactly what you did and tried to show. you know what you did and tried to show. that's enough for me.
all of those things listed above, all key points "conclusively proven" by you.
via your interpretation and opinions of said events.
despite 2 seperate sources you still refuse to accept that 616 eternity is made of multiple universes. it's crappy writing, instead of an interpretation (by a writer hired by MARVEL) that is simply different from your own. once again, you've derided so many for going against what has been blatantly shown on panel, and yet . . .?
your response is your own worst enemy.
So Mr. Master... pwnage confirmed?