Originally posted by FeceManWhat exactly is there to call bullshit on.
Okay.I call bullshit on secular humanism as a whole.
Do I win a prize?
You claim angels and demons are real.
And fail to substantiate this claim.
Therefore it is accurately described as bullshit, as much so as saying that there are fairies, pixies, elves and orcs; we just can't see them zipping around stealing gold.
If one makes a claim, then the onus is on them to provide objective proof positive, not worthless anecdotes about Aunt Lucy.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What exactly is there to call bullshit on.
You claim angels and demons are real.And fail to substantiate this claim.
Therefore it is accurately described as bullshit, as much so as saying that there are fairies, pixies, elves and orcs; we just can't see them zipping around stealing gold.
If one makes a claim, then the onus is on them to provide objective proof positive, not worthless anecdotes about Aunt Lucy.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What exactly is there to call bullshit on.You claim angels and demons are real.
And fail to substantiate this claim.
Therefore it is accurately described as bullshit, as much so as saying that there are fairies, pixies, elves and orcs; we just can't see them zipping around stealing gold.
If one makes a claim, then the onus is on them to provide objective proof positive, not worthless anecdotes about Aunt Lucy.
And here lies the problem, until you were to see such a thing in front of you, or hear from a source that you know personally and absolutely trust in being honest and right, then you will never believe in it.
I do find it funny though that if we talk about healings, or posessions, or seeing angels, etc... and we argue semantics, and I get the phrase: "Well that's all well and good, too bad it never really happens to people." and in each case I can relate a personal story of whatever it is, be it my sister-in law giving up a child for adoption rather than an abortion, or the young Christian friends of mine who were virgins until marriage and weren't dorks, wierd, or insane (I even posted a pic of them).....
THEN all of a sudden my own personal experiences aren't worthy of mention, when before it was my ideas that weren't suitable, since nobody ever has it happen to them that way in real life.
Believe what you will, but I'm no damn fool.
I'm a practical person who's been through some hard shit in my young life-time, and I don't buy into a sucker's dream.
This God stuff, this Jesus guy, that Holy Spirit living inside you giving you supernatural power.....
it's for real. ✅
I won't bother you folks anymore, and anybody who has questions is welcome to PM me, and I'll talk to you about whatever you want.
But this line of arguing gets me nowhere, since "statistics and reason" tell you one thing, and what I've seen and felt tells me another.
Blessings. 😎
Originally posted by FeceManSo you're calling out the worldview that one doesn't need the supernatural to formulate morals and reason as bullshit. 🙄
The entire damn thing.
Originally posted by FeceManAd hominem. Blah blah close-minded blah blah. Provide proof positive, or don't make the claim.
Even if you were to see a clearly demon possessed person, it wouldn't matter in the least.
Re: For everyone who calls themself a Christian...
Originally posted by silk4life
But, for those who claim that they believe they are going to heaven, I am wondering why do you believe that you are saved?
God's Word brother!
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. -Romans 10:9
Originally posted by FeceMan
Sometimes I feel it is not that they are blind but they have blinded themselves.
👆
It was this quote I support very much. I know you did not mean the way I would like you to have meant it, but OBJECTIVELY this is a very true statement, which I beleive applies to ALL who beleive they know absolute truth.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yup, that was perfect Jaeh. 🙂Amazing, only 15 and yet she gets what so many "religious" people don't.
I'm fourteen. God helped me out with that one.. ^_^
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Oh please. You have a dillusion. I'm not going to say there isn't a god, but you don't have a "personal relationship" with him. The fact that you call it a Him is proof of that.Can you explain this personal relationship? Give us some specifics, maybe? What colour are his eyes? Does he prefer Coke or Pepsi? What's his favorite movie? What kinds of things does he tell you to do? What's his voice sound like? Who's going to win teh super bowl? Has he explained why he doesn't talk to everyone else the way he talks to you? Is there a reason why he talks to you, but refuses to provide the rest of the world with the coutresy of the occasional whisper?
just saw it right now...
Personal Relationship.
I can't explain it thoroughly, because its unexplainable.
I can't see God, yes, but i feel Him.
Talking to Him.. well... its not exactly a feeling... but an Experience.
You would feel it when you actually ask Him -by seeking to know God, not in a 'prove yourself you d*mn thing if you're real!' type.
you just know it.
i can't explain exactly how....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
All you are of is that your Faith qualifies you to this mythological idea of Heaven. Good 👆However, you do not know for certain of Heaven's actual existance. Nobody does.
wasn't the question about how are you certain that you're going to heaven?
I sure am convinced- rather i KNOW for SURE that Heaven exists.
How you might ask?
Faith. 🙂
may be stupid... or ignorant... you can say..
but.. that's what i believe in so... *shrugs*
I was wondering, for all believers who are so sure that they are right. Did you consider (since you believe in the devil and stuff) that he might just make you feel that way...and believe that some of the words are Gods words? Also did you consider that, since we all are limited being (if you believe in God or not) that your feelings and "relationship" with God might jsut be a mental disorder? I mean, can you really? Really be 100% sure, it is God you feel?
Originally posted by Bardock42Mental disorder just jumped out at me.........Are you referring to anyone in particular?? 🙄
I was wondering, for all believers who are so sure that they are right. Did you consider (since you believe in the devil and stuff) that he might just make you feel that way...and believe that some of the words are Gods words? Also did you consider that, since we all are limited being (if you believe in God or not) that your feelings and "relationship" with God might jsut be a mental disorder? I mean, can you really? Really be 100% sure, it is God you feel?
It could be like a disorder kinda cause IF there is only ONE ENERGY, ONE THING and people are dividing it in to TWO, or more, and telling others that one or the other is talking to them, or doing things to them. It would be a delusional thinking. Even paranoid delusional thinking. Especially if one thinks the one, bad one, is sending little armies after them....It is quite paranoid delusional thinking. And in many psychology books, it's the one that thinks they don't have a problem that often times does. Maybe even too the point that one thinks that they have been possessed by one of the little solders sent, then it would become schizophrenia....Wow, a paranoid delusional schizophrenic.........Visit one in a church near you!! 😂
Re: For everyone who calls themself a Christian...
Originally posted by silk4life
But, for those who claim that they believe they are going to heaven, I am wondering why do you believe that you are saved?
because, deep down, i try to be a good person and to always do the right thing... i'm not so much sure i'm going to heaven or hell, i just believe that people who are good treat others the way they wish to be treated will have some sort of enjoyable afterlife, be it in some semblence of heaven or in reincarnation...
and besides, manners cost nothing... 😛
just my two cents n such...
Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
wasn't the question about how are you certain that you're going to heaven?I sure am convinced- rather i KNOW for SURE that Heaven exists.
How you might ask?
Faith. 🙂
may be stupid... or ignorant... you can say..
but.. that's what i believe in so... *shrugs*
But Sweety...beleif and knowledge are not the same thing ❌
If you know for SURE, absolutely 100% that you are correct, and that you factually have a relationship with this diety, then it's NOT FAITH...its KNOWLEDGE.
Faith is when you strongly beleive and hope in something that cannot be proven. If it's already proven to you, then it's no longer Faith.
I don't mean to sound rude, but I was once 1000% convinced that God existed and that I was close with him. I was 14-15 when I beleived that. Now, I realize that was just psychosomatic wishful thinking. The power of the MIND is awesome.
Not to mention, that as convinced as you are that you are close to God, is the SAME CONVICTION that Islamic Terrorists have about their beleifs and thier missions.
Food for Thought....
Re: Re: For everyone who calls themself a Christian...
Originally posted by pr1983
because, deep down, i try to be a good person and to always do the right thing... i'm not so much sure i'm going to heaven or hell, i just believe that people who are good treat others the way they wish to be treated will have some sort of enjoyable afterlife, be it in some semblence of heaven or in reincarnation...and besides, manners cost nothing... 😛
just my two cents n such...
Yes. If god is truely a "good" thing, he would accept everyone who was a good person. If he doesn't, I wouldn't want to be with him anyway.
Re: Re: Re: For everyone who calls themself a Christian...
Originally posted by Alliance
Yes. If god is truely a "good" thing, he would accept everyone who was a good person. If he doesn't, I wouldn't want to be with him anyway.
That renders the Bible, Quran, Torah, and religion in general useless. That is why Clergy and Religious Elite do not teach that. To teach that would cause them to lose thier political power.