For everyone who calls themself a Christian...

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
How many think they are? Out of the following groups which do you consider correct/Biblically true:

Mormons Y/N
Greek Orthodox Y/N
Roman Catholic Y/N
Church of England Y/N
Jehovah's Witness Y/N
Pentecostal Y/N
Presbyterian Y/N
Anglican Y/N
Methodists Y/N
Baptists Y/N
Brethren Y/N
Charismatic Y/N
Quakers Y/N
Christian Scientists Y/N
Messianic Judaism Y/N
Seventh Day Eventests Y/N

Which of course leaves out the massive variety under such umbrella headings, as well as all the others.

The rest all have relatively minor differences of opinion with regard to Scripture and are often more differentiated by the way in which the church is governed rather than core beliefs.

I prefer to think it is convenient.

Spiritual warfare? What, God setting Christian against Christian? Possible I am on the wrong track, but that sounds less like an all loving God and more like George Bluth Sr.

You have no idea what spiritual warfare is, do you?

Or do they hold up to your interpretations? One of the things I have seen in religion is it is remarkable how well peoples views, wildly clashing views, all manage to hold up to the Bible or Koran or whatever.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Mormon: absolutely not.
Jehovah's Witnesses: absolutely not.
Christian Scientists: no (yay for breaking with reality).
Seventh Day Adventists: no.

The rest all have relatively minor differences of opinion with regard to Scripture and are often more differentiated by the way in which the church is governed rather than core beliefs.

I was correcting you, not affirming your statement.

*Sighs.*

You have no idea what spiritual warfare is, do you?

Newp, they hold up to the standard of the Bible.

Thank you for sending millions of good people to hell. 🙄

Originally posted by FeceMan
Mormon: absolutely not.
Jehovah's Witnesses: absolutely not.
Christian Scientists: no (yay for breaking with reality).
Seventh Day Adventists: no.

The rest all have relatively minor differences of opinion with regard to Scripture and are often more differentiated by the way in which the church is governed rather than core beliefs.

Hmmm. I'm surprised Brethren got through. But... interesting.

Likewise that you think the rest all have only "minor differences" - but then again perhaps you are rising above the debate that has raged between them. At least you aren't saying Catholics are true Christians and so on.

I was correcting you, not affirming your statement.

I know, still doesn't stop it being convenient.

*Sighs.*

You have no idea what spiritual warfare is, do you?

I was joking, but for the sake of your frustration I have always considered the whole spiritual warfare/psuedo-divine influence and temptation to derive ones own agenda a rather questionable concept. If anything it makes me question the concept of the Bible (as it is claimed) even more.

For a book with such a purpose to be vague enough to allow the conflict to begin with seems to imply it is not nearly as strong or pure as it claims. And once again it makes me wonder about God's claim to just want us all to be saved when negative influences can somehow influence from his holy text.

Newp, they hold up to the standard of the Bible.

I am pleased you are so confident you have divined the Bible correctly.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I understand completely.

But Faith is not knowledge....and our emotions often decieve us... 😉

agreed. that's different.

but this is different too.

and your opinion, not mine. 😉

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
agreed. that's different.

but this is different too.

and your opinion, not mine. 😉

How is it different ? What makes your conviction that God is with you any more valid than my convictions that Biblical God doesn't exist ?

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
that one's a sock? oh well...

answer: I know i'm going to heaven. I believe in Christ, accepted Him as my Lord and Saviour, and have a personal relationship with him. Its by faith, not religion. its a relationship with the Lord, not a religion. big difference.

Sure, I'm a sinner. I know that. but i repent my sins to God, and He forgives them. *ends answer*

that good enough?

not entirely. do not forget the abiding of the 10 commandments. repentance is not as simple as consciously knowing you're a sinner and using that as a 'get out of jail free' card. repentance is truly repenting for your sin, as opposed to just saying "im sowwy" and everything is ok.

im sure you know this, but others dont. and that is the unfortunate folly of many christians, the denial that with true repentance comes a vow to do everything within one's power to avoid the same sin.

also, a 'personal' relationship with christ has a one-way dialogue, so those who are deluded can determine whatever they wish about what christ expects of them (see dubya...or JIA). just food for thought.

:edit: what im saying is that christianity's strongest selling points are also its achilles heel, imho

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
How many think they are? Out of the following groups which do you consider correct/Biblically true:

Mormons Y/N
Greek Orthodox Y/N
Roman Catholic Y/N
Church of England Y/N
Jehovah's Witness Y/N
Pentecostal Y/N
Presbyterian Y/N
Anglican Y/N
Methodists Y/N
Baptists Y/N
Brethren Y/N
Charismatic Y/N
Quakers Y/N
Christian Scientists Y/N
Messianic Judaism Y/N
Seventh Day Eventests Y/N

Which of course leaves out the massive variety under such umbrella headings, as well as all the others.

Eastern Orthodox are different to Greek Orthodox, since Greek Orthodox have a closer relations with Catholic Church by accepting Christmas to be celebrated on 25th of Dec, as opposed to 7th of Jan.

Greek Orthodox do not equal Eastern Orthodox. They are part of.

Furthermore, Orthodoxy pre-dates Catholicism.

Also, for some reason, there don't seem to be any Coptic Christians on that list which make up a very high population in the east, particulary so in Egypt.

Furthermore, highest amounts of Christians in the East tend to be Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian Orthodox, Coptic Christians and Eastern Catholic Christians which are (believe it or not) different to Catholic Church of the West. (yes there is stil ''Pope of Rome'' going on)

What you have up there are all Western interpretation of the Bible, and thus not having much of a core differance.

Great Schism of 1054, West - East is where the real differances lie.

Just for information purposes....

yawn interesting...

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmm. I'm surprised Brethren got through. But... interesting.

Likewise that you think the rest all have only "minor differences" - but then again perhaps you are rising above the debate that has raged between them. At least you aren't saying Catholics are true Christians and so on.

Furthermore, the "debate that has raged between them"...well, churches have split entirely for lesser offenses.

I was joking, but for the sake of your frustration I have always considered the whole spiritual warfare/psuedo-divine influence and temptation to derive ones own agenda a rather questionable concept. If anything it makes me question the concept of the Bible (as it is claimed) even more.

For a book with such a purpose to be vague enough to allow the conflict to begin with seems to imply it is not nearly as strong or pure as it claims. And once again it makes me wonder about God's claim to just want us all to be saved when negative influences can somehow influence from his holy text.

I am pleased you are so confident you have divined the Bible correctly.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thank you for sending millions of good people to hell. 🙄

Or would you rather just assume I'm in charge of dealing out justice? Maybe I'll get enough followers to toss around a lightning bolt or three.

🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I understand completely.

But Faith is not knowledge....and our emotions often decieve us...

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
And what evidence do you have to prove the statement above is a valid one?

I love how this was just conveniently ignored..He..He..

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
I love how this was just conveniently ignored..He..He..

Originally posted by FeceMan
...Don't thank me--in fact, don't even thank God. Thank the fact that they ignore Scripture based on salvation.

Or would you rather just assume I'm in charge of dealing out justice? Maybe I'll get enough followers to toss around a lightning bolt or three.

🙄

*cough sarcasm*

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
*cough sarcasm*

Originally posted by FeceMan
As I said before--I'm not a dolt. I did, however, decide to respond.

That was not the smartest thing to do. 😉

Originally posted by FeceMan
Sodom and Gommorrah.

Yes I know - you are(were) completely wrong in that one. But you've redeemed yourself(somewhat) a bit within this thread. Seriously though - study up a bit on what the bible truly says -- you definitely don't want to lead anyone astray with the argument(as it was discussed within that thread).

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Yes I know - you are(were) completely wrong in that one. But you've redeemed yourself(somewhat) a bit within this thread. Seriously though - study up a bit on what the bible truly says -- you definitely don't want to lead anyone astray with the argument(as it was discussed within that thread).

That is the problem with the bible; there are as many was of interpreting the bible as there are people to intemperate it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is the problem with the bible; there are as many was of interpreting the bible as there are people to intemperate it.

Actually - there's really only one way - but people like to interpret things - in the way they feel most comfortable with. Unfortunately - doing what one considers the most comfortable, is not always what is best for the individual.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
doing what one considers the most comfortable, is not always what is best for the individual.

i agree...like using loosely translated scripture as a means to judge peers...many people seem far too happy and comfortable doing just that.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Actually - there's really only one way - but people like to interpret things - in the way they feel most comfortable with. Unfortunately - doing what one considers the most comfortable, is not always what is best for the individual.

Not true. If that was true then there would be only on Christian denomination, and not this many:

African Methodist Episcopal
African Methodist Episcopal Zion
African Orthodox Church
American Baptist Churches USA
Amish
Anabaptist
Anglican Catholic Church
Anglican Church
Antiochian Orthodox
Armenian Evangelical Church
Armenian Orthodox
Assemblies of God
Associated Gospel Churches of Canada
Association of Vineyard Churches
Baptist
Baptist Bible Fellowship
Branch Davidian
Brethren in Christ
Bruderhof Communities
Byzantine Catholic Church
Calvary Chapel
Calvinist
Catholic
Cell Church
Celtic Orthodox
Charismatic Episcopal Church
Christadelphian
Christian and Missionary Alliance
Christian Churches of God
Christian Identity
Christian Reformed Church
Christian Science
Church of God (Anderson)
Church of God (Cleveland)
Church of God (Seventh Day)
Church of God in Christ
Church of God of Prophecy
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Church of Scotland
Church of South India
Church of the Brethren
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Nazarene
Church of the New Jerusalem
Church of the United Brethren in Christ
Church Universal and Triumphant
Churches of Christ
Churches of God General Conference
Congregational Christian Churches
Coptic Orthodox
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Disciples of Christ
Episcopal Church
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Evangelical Congregational Church
Evangelical Covenant Church
Evangelical Formosan Church
Evangelical Free Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Methodist Church
Evangelical Presbyterian
Family, The (aka Children of God)
Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
Fellowship of Grace Brethren
Fellowship of Independent Evangelical Churches
Free Church of Scotland
Free Methodist
Free Presbyterian
Free Will Baptist
Gnostic
Great Commission Association of Churches
Greek Orthodox
Hutterian Brethren
Independent Fundamental Churches of America
Indian Orthodox
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
International Churches of Christ
Jehovah's Witnesses
Living Church of God
Local Church
Lutheran
Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
Mar Thoma Syrian Church
Mennonite
Messianic Judaism
Methodist
Moravian Church
Nation of Yahweh
New Frontiers International
Old Catholic Church
Orthodox
Orthodox Church in America
Orthodox Presbyterian
Pentecostal
Plymouth Brethren
Presbyterian
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Presbyterian Church in America
Primitive Baptist
Protestant Reformed Church
Reformed
Reformed Baptist
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in the United States
Reformed Churches of Australia
Reformed Episcopal Church
Reformed Presbyterian Church
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Revival Centres International
Romanian Orthodox
Rosicrucian
Russian Orthodox
Serbian Orthodox
Seventh Day Baptist
Seventh-Day Adventist
Shaker
Society of Friends
Southern Baptist Convention
Spiritist
Syrian Orthodox
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
Two-by-Twos
Unification Church
Unitarian-Universalism
United Church of Canada
United Church of Christ
United Church of God
United Free Church of Scotland
United Methodist Church
United Reformed Church
Uniting Church in Australia
Unity Church
Unity Fellowship Church
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
Virtual Churches
Waldensian Church
Way International, The
Web Directories
Wesleyan
Wesleyan Methodist
Worldwide Church of God

Originally posted by PVS
i agree...like using loosely translated scripture as a means to judge peers...many people seem far too happy and comfortable doing just that.

Actually - I agree with you. But at the same time, it is still necessary for us to correct(not *judge*) our peers. If you love your brother - you will correct him. And if he loves you, he will accept this correction with love(love that's not expressed in a sexually speaking way of course).