Civil War Report

Main arguments? To rephrase most of the arguments here:

PRO-REGISTRATION POINTS

- By not registering, superheroes are setting an example for people: that acting within the confines of your OWN morals can be rewarding, and that you won't get in trouble for it. An example of how this dogma is used: terrorism.

- By not registering, superheroes are betraying rule of law. If people don't follow the same laws that normal people follow, then there is no enforcement; your neighbor could kill you if it defined his code of ethics. worse, you are disregarding martial law and the police force.

- By not registering, superheroes are hypocrites. They are essentially becoming villains while becoming superheroes. Therefore they should hunt themselves.

- It's not like superheroes are going to have their rights completely taken away. They'll still have free will to fight and do things they normally do.

- By allowing the Government to intervene, things could actually get alot better. Superheroes will fight without having to be afraid of the law because they're working WITH the law. An example of how Government intervention can be useful: SHIELD has authority over a number of different groups. And they usually save the day.

- Only the US Government will know about the superhero identities- they won't be public.

- Not all superheroes feel responsibility/accountability. They need to be taught these.

- If superheroes protect the innocent and claim to risk their lives for the greater good, why not register? They should be willing to register so normal people can feel safe.

ANTI-REGISTRATION POINTS

- By registering, superheroes are forfeiting their identity to the Government, which in turn, may house some very corrupted bureaucrats. These people with political sway could seriously hurt our favorite webhead or mutant. An example of this would be: pretty much half of SHIELD.

- By registering, the superheroes give up their freedom of pursuing justice and are limited in their ability to act. An example: You might have authority in one state such as New York, but not say: Massachusetts. So villains can migrate and manipulate the tricky legalese of politics all they want. The government can take their rights and leave them to fight with their hands tied.

- By registering, the may or may not be corrupted Government, has more power.

- By enforcing the Registration Act on a national level, you are taking away the states' rights to act autonomously.

- Legal system: corrupted. You only need to reflect on current events to understand this.

- Superheroes maintain their secrecy for self-defense. Take a look at yourself. Do you defend the Patriot Act, even though it destroys the fourth amendment and violates your rights? In the shoes of a superhero, they would not be as obliging to something as a section 215 or a section 218 out of the Patriot Act that is imposed on us. They protect themselves by "means necessary", as do we.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SNAP

Good debate.

I'm not really on either side but I do question the Registration Act. I think the perfect superhero symbolism for this could be the revelation they come up with near the end of Batman's "The Dark Knight Returns." In the end, they realize that the symbol of Batman is too big in the gargantuan scheme of things, and let him save the city.

you ignore a trend for several decades of comics in favor of a turn of events in an upcoming issue. that's a poor outlook on the trend of things, as dismissing something due to its future ignores the pretense of its present.

for decades, peter parker has had a secret identity. of course, in decades, i'm speaking in real time. also for decades, the fantastic four has been public. which hero/es live/s in one of the most hi-tech buildings in this hemisphere, with an ever-growing defense grid [including a destroyer capable of taking out a moon,] and which has lived in an apartment? which hero/es is/are related to a time-travelling, sorcery-using madman from the past and future, and which to a hagard old woman whose trust he/they couldn't bear to break. your analogy ignores their differences, focusing instead on their sole similarity: being a super hero.

also, what happened when it was discovered that daredevil was the alter-ego of high-flying lawyer matt murdoch? HE GOT ARRESTED! how is that supposed to be helping you pro-registration argument? how many other heroes could face the same punishments due to their flexible spectrum of ethics? who would want to volunteer for that, and put their undivided faith in a government and a people who don't reciprocate the feeling? 1970's x-men, maybe. but that's about it.

This argument is the best I've seeen on KMC... and the only one that's made me thik the SRA isnt necearrily a bad thing!

Im enjoying in aswell.

✅ Civil war #1 was also the BEST comic I've read in AgES!

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
- Legal system: corrupted. You only need to reflect on current events to understand this.

I think this is one of the most important facts for those against the act. We all have Moral codes and what we consider to be right and wrong. If the government says something we consider to be morally acceptable, is illegal and says what we consider to be absolutely wrong, is legalised, then we face a dilemma. Do we do what is right or what is legal?

Well being from the UK from what I have saw your legal system is bad even worse than ours.

AJ you idiot, 😛 wales is in the UK, what we say goes in wales aswell 😄

YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER US !!!!

Originally posted by Disappear
you ignore a trend for several decades of comics in favor of a turn of events in an upcoming issue. that's a poor outlook on the trend of things, as dismissing something due to its future ignores the pretense of its present.

No, I'm saying that the present situation is different from how things were in the past. This is a constantly changing world, and we must adapt to deal with the world as it changes. Yes, when villians have found out Spidey's secret ID in the past, some have gone after his family, but in those times he was mainly be himself in their protection. As a registered US Super-Martial, his family and loved ones would be under constant protection from the government. If anything, they'd be safer if he were registered.

Originally posted by Disappear
for decades, peter parker has had a secret identity. of course, in decades, i'm speaking in real time. also for decades, the fantastic four has been public. which hero/es live/s in one of the most hi-tech buildings in this hemisphere, with an ever-growing defense grid [including a destroyer capable of taking out a moon,] and which has lived in an apartment? which hero/es is/are related to a time-travelling, sorcery-using madman from the past and future, and which to a hagard old woman whose trust he/they couldn't bear to break. your analogy ignores their differences, focusing instead on their sole similarity: being a super hero.

Remember when Aunt May was kidnapped, and presumed dead about a year or so ago? Who did Peter turn to for help when that happened? The X-Men, the Avengers, and every other hero he could get help from. But how did that situation even happen to begin with? It happened because his Aunt was a "soft target" that was easily accessable. Since she and Mary Jane have moved into Avengers Tower, they're enjoying more protection than they ever had before. If Peter were a registered hero, it would always be that way (even if he left the Avengers). And law enforcers consider themselves a "family" of sorts. Messing with the family member of one, is like messing with the family member of them all. All of SHIELD would have his back with their protection and security.

As for as the FF/Spidey analogy... Reed Richards father doesn't live in the Baxter Building, and neither do the rest of their family members. Are you saying that the only family Ben Grimm has lives there with them? What about Sue and Johnny? No fathers of mothers, aunts or uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews?

Originally posted by Disappear
also, what happened when it was discovered that daredevil was the alter-ego of high-flying lawyer matt murdoch? HE GOT ARRESTED! how is that supposed to be helping you pro-registration argument? how many other heroes could face the same punishments due to their flexible spectrum of ethics? who would want to volunteer for that, and put their undivided faith in a government and a people who don't reciprocate the feeling? 1970's x-men, maybe. but that's about it.

✅ Suddenly, the act seems fair...

Originally posted by Mr.V
AJ you idiot, 😛 wales is in the UK, what we say goes in wales aswell 😄

😆

✅ So true, Val... 😎

F@CK YOU

you think we listen to the queen or anything of u, we hate the english and dont take any notice

AJ, you follow English laws, jack ass, you speak OUR language mostof the time from what I've seen... even most welshies don't speak their language becaue ours is BETTER! We OWN you!

Im not argueing our langauge does suck and most of wale agree. 😛

Good for you, boyo!

The UK is just a second Rate USA................what huh.........lol 🏴‍☠️

And I am very anti-registration, the more people that know about your identity the greater the chance of it being leaked. Period the Gov't couldn't do shiot about it either.

Originally posted by HellMaster93
Good for you, boyo!