Civil War Report

Started by Darth Vicious258 pages
Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Well since Bendis can't clean up his own plots, it's neat to see Millar and Nicieza working them into a sweet story.

Well it couldbe that everything thats been happening in New Avengers somehow ties directly into the CW, afterall the greatescape was just a distraction for something entirely different which still hasnt been played out and it wouldnt surprise me that the mystery guy behind everything, the guy that hired Electro is Tony "Judas" Stark, afterall he paid some guy to attack him and Spidey.

I doubt it. Bendis has just been fumbling around in New Avengers.

And at the end of the day, weird as he can be, Tony is still a hero. You can make Judas comparisons, which I'm not going to say are completely untrue, but I wouldn't say he's like a biblical Judas. More like a Judas lamb. He has great ideas and he wants to help people, but the problem with being a "futurist" is that sometimes he forgets what the present looks like.

I don't think the villains that escaped are a direct cause of Civil War, but their reincarceration or reformation if done well, could be a powerful political tool for the side that gets to those villains first.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
I doubt it. Bendis has just been fumbling around in New Avengers.

I don't think the villains that escaped are a direct cause of Civil War, but their reincarceration or reformation if done well, could be a powerful political tool for the side that gets to those villains first.

Bendis is an awsome writer and pretty recognized, im hoping he has something up his sleeve. I didnt say that the villains scaping was a direct cause of the Civil War, I said that it probably will tie into it somehow.

Benids isn't 'Awesome' , he's good. But people over-rate him ...ALOT.

Originally posted by Validus

Yeah, this pretty much pi$$ed me off. Spider-Man is one of my top 5 favorites. Now I hope he gets his arse beat. "I'm not wearing my old mask because I'm ASHAMED of what I do". That whiny little puke! I hope Jonah fires him and whoops his crybaby arse.

That would make me laugh, JJJ kicking his ass 😛

Usually when some new storyline comes out, the adverts say it will have a huge affect on the MU for a long time. The same thing happened when New Avengers came out. But this time they may be actually fulfilling that claim, by making the prisoners who escaped from the raft ages ago, and more specifically the number who escaped, a decent plot device later on, which is part of the civil war storyline 🙂

Originally posted by grey fox
Benids isn't 'Awesome' , he's good. But people over-rate him ...ALOT.

agreed

Originally posted by badabing
Yeah, this pretty much pi$$ed me off. Spider-Man is one of my top 5 favorites. Now I hope he gets his arse beat. "I'm not wearing my old mask because I'm ASHAMED of what I do". That whiny little puke! I hope Jonah fires him and whoops his crybaby arse.

Spidey is gonna be beaten by somebody.............check out the cover to civil war 5 on the link from this quote.....

Originally posted by Validus
Civil War #5 cover

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CIVWAR005_cov_100.jpg

Poor guy weep

He's always getting beaten by somebody, doesn't mean anything. As far as Stark's actions, people are demonizing him because we live in an age when people no longer believe in their government; thus any side the government wants in this must be the wrong side, and anyone who sides with the government must be bad. Stop looking for a "right side" and a "wrong side" in this because there isn't any.

We saw in CW#2 that Stark was saying to himself that he hopes that they are doing the right thing, no one in this whole thing is truely right or wrong. Cap is advocating a violent protest against a federal law, there are better ways to protest than resorting to violence. Tony is supporting a piece of legislation that takes away a some civil liberties. I keep championing Tony's side, because no one else will even stop to look at it objectively. Do you REALLY think a 15 year old kid knows enough about the world to make life and death decisions for innocent lives? He may mean well, but so did Speedball. So did Magog when he and his guys caused the nuclear holocaust that costs millions of lives in Kingdom Come. It takes more than just "good intentions" to do what's right.

And many of you aren't looking at the bigger picture of Spidey revealing his ID. You only think "Ooh, now every bad guys going to be after May and MJ, when the fact is most of them probably won't. Osborn could've had May taken out dozens of times over the years, so could Venom, but they prefer to strike at the man himself, not his family. The bigger issue is how will this effect his normal life. Remember, he works as a grade-school science teacher. Imagine being a student and finding out that he was your teacher. Imagine being a principal and finding out that you're employing a superhero. Do you keep him on, do you fire him, what do you do? How will people like Flash Thompson, who love Spidey but hate Parker, react? The "let's go attack May and MJ" thing is old, and Marvel knows it. They won't center all their stories around that when there's so many more interesting stories to tell.

As for Stark, WHY do you think he's evil? He's trying to save lives, and he's doing it the best way he sees to do it. Does that make him a "Judas" cause if it does you damned well better call Spidey a Benedict Arnold when he switches sides. Tony's only concern is curbing the number of civilian casualties. If that means he has to give up some of his rights to do so, and that's what he chooses, that makes him noble and selfless, not evil.

(Oh, and as far as the question of has Patriot caused the deaths of over 600 people, the answer is no. He - and his other YA allies - caused the deaths of over 3 billion by accidentally altering time. Luckly Cap and friends were able to restore the normal time line. But I bet THAT never made the news. Patroit and frieds weren't going to restore the timeline, because they didn't want to loose their friend, Iron Lad; and if left to them it's no telling how the MU would currently be.)

In the end, is the SRA the answer to the problem? No. Eventually, it will lead to a state where the civil liberties of anyone with power are stripped away.

Is allowing the heroes to continue unchecked the answer? No. Eventually, it will lead to a state similar to DC's Kingdom Come where superpowered youths run the planet and millions of innocents keep dying in their crossfire.

A mid-way point must be reached, and until one side or the other gives some ground, the situation will only continue.

Just out of curiousity, how many of you who have instantly objected to Spidey's decision (and maybe even sworn off Spidey or Marvel books), even bother to read the issues that led up to his decision? Did you follow what was happening, or just git hit with it here?

I object to Spideys decision because to me is not a desicion he wouldve chosen. I feel that he was being pressure by the promise he made Tony, by Aunt Mays comments and more importantly by all the bad things that couldve happened if he didnt, whcih Tony explained in great detail. Would I stop buying Spidey comics? since i only buy AMS I would say no, I wont stop buying comics.

[i]
Tony's only concern is curbing the number of civilian casualties. If that means he has to give up some of his rights to do so, and that's what he chooses, that makes him noble and selfless, not evil.

(Oh, and as far as the question of has Patriot caused the deaths of over 600 people, the answer is no. He - and his other YA allies - caused the deaths of over 3 billion by accidentally altering time. Luckly Cap and friends were able to restore the normal time line. But I bet THAT never made the news. Patroit and frieds weren't going to restore the timeline, because they didn't want to loose their friend, Iron Lad; and if left to them it's no telling how the MU would currently be.)

[/B]

How aligning with super villains even recruiting them for his cause is gonna help save civilians? Anyway u slice it Baron Zemo will double cross Tony the first time he gets and having The Fixer means that theres a good chance he could steal all the personal information of all the heroes that registered and that means the hero's families, friends, students and the heroes themselves will be in danger which in turn most of them are american citizens, shouldnt Tony be concerned for them before recruiting the villains? the SRA is just a way to have complete control over the supers by the government, thats why I dont approve of it. For the super heroes to be able to do their jobs they need their secret identities. I completly understand the SRA but in the world they live in(Marvel Universe) that we live in, it wouldnt work.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I object to Spideys decision because to me is not a desicion he wouldve chosen. I feel that he was being pressure by the promise he made Tony, by Aunt Mays comments and more importantly by all the bad things that couldve happened if he didnt, whcih Tony explained in great detail.
ALL of Spidey's actions have been out of fear of inaction. Thats the whole reason hes Spider-man.

😕

You guys sure aren't giving Tony much credit... He's got all the information that is available throughout the intire world with his EXTREMIS armor now... I think that he knows Zemo better than Zemo knows himself...I think Tony is playing him...Getting him to round up all of the villians again period so he can put them all away in the prison that Reed is designing with Tony and Hank. Tony isn't the 2nd smartest person on the planet for nothing and now with access to everything through EXTREMIS he's the MOST POWERFUL ALL-ROUND HERO EVER!

😉

Tony isn't the 2nd smartest person on the planet for nothing

Who's the smartest?

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
Who's the smartest?
Reed Richards

Originally posted by Tony Stark
...and now with access to everything through EXTREMIS he's the MOST POWERFUL ALL-ROUND HERO EVER!

😉

Yup. No bias there. No-sir-ee. None at all. 😗

🙄

No. No one, even Tony, can out-Zemo Baron Zemo.

He could be playing a rouse, but why would he go to Zemo and ask his help capturing the villains, because since he knows everything, he'd know that Zemo and crew have been doing that for weeks.

He'd also know about Nick Fury's secret bases, etc.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Reed Richards
reed is like the smartest in the next 100 galaxies too... that man is a GENIUS i dont see how he isnt a mutant.