Captain America broke his word.
"I (state your full name) do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, that I will bare true faith and allegience to the same, and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me according to Regulation and Uniform Code of Military Justice, so help me God."
Cap made a promise. He gave his word. More than any other anti-reg hero, Cap is in the wrong. No matter what else, he is still a soldier. The oath doesn't say "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me as long as I agree with their policies." A soldier doesn't have the luxury of deciding what orders to obey, and what orders not to obey. And they certainly do not lead a revolt against government policy. One can only imagine what would happen if all the soldiers that didn't agree with the war in Iraq decided not to obey. Years ago, Cap gave his word. Now we see how much that means to him. A true soldier keeps his word, even when it's something they don't like or agree with.
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
[b]Captain America broke his word."I (state your full name) do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, that I will bare true faith and allegience to the same, and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me according to Regulation and Uniform Code of Military Justice, so help me God."
Cap made a promise. He gave his word. More than any other anti-reg hero, Cap is in the wrong. No matter what else, he is still a soldier. The oath doesn't say "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me as long as I agree with their policies." A soldier doesn't have the luxury of deciding what orders to obey, and what orders not to obey. And they certainly do not lead a revolt against government policy. One can only imagine what would happen if all the soldiers that didn't agree with the war in Iraq decided not to obey. Years ago, Cap gave his word. Now we see how much that means to him. A true soldier keeps his word, even when it's something they don't like or agree with. [/B]
Actually Cap didn't do anything wrong. The first part says that he will defend America against any enemies, foreign or domestic but in Cap's eyes America's government has become the enemy. So he isn't disobeying his orders per-say, but prioritizing them 😄
He even proves what I'm saying in Civil war 3 when he puts the device on Stark because stark has ,as Cap said, gone "bad" or "over to the other side".
You haven't read the latest DD series? 😑
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Brubaker_and_Lark
It's the best thing out of Marvel these days...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah. What's he in prison for?
Essentially for being Daredevil. He's locked up for obstruction of justice and few other stuff. Thats not really important. It appears that someone is try to keep Matt in prison for some reason. Recently Punisher got himself arrested to join Matt in prison, along with Kingpin and Bullseye who were already there. I really recommend the series to any comic fan. Its written be Brubaker (the guy that brought back Bucky and didn't make it suck)
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah. What's he in prison for?
this is from wikipedia..........
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Bendis and Maleev's final story arc, "The Murdock Papers", depict the Kingpin manipulating the FBI, Daredevil, the Black Widow, and Elektra over nonexistent documents proving that Murdock is Daredevil. Despite help and entreaties by Luke Cage and Iron Fist, an unmasked Daredevil surrenders himself to the FBI. The arc ends with Murdock and Fisk in jail, and the FBI hoping the two will kill each other
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You haven't read the latest DD series? 😑
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Brubaker_and_LarkIt's the best thing out of Marvel these days...
No, I haven't kept up with many titles actually. The only I even buy anymore (until I find something else great out there) is the Ultimate X-Men series. And I've been keeping up with the latest Spider-Man and Civil War.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Essentially for being Daredevil. He's locked up for obstruction of justice and few other stuff. Thats not really important. It appears that someone is try to keep Matt in prison for some reason. Recently Punisher got himself arrested to join Matt in prison, along with Kingpin and Bullseye who were already there. I really recommend the series to any comic fan. Its written be Brubaker (the guy that brought back Bucky and didn't make it suck)
Ah, I see. Perhaps I'll get around to purchasing that then. I really do enjoy a good Daredevil comic. He's one of my favorites.
Originally posted by willRulesIt's a full statement. you can't just cut off a statement at the point to where it's convenient to you.
Actually Cap didn't do anything wrong. The first part says that he will defend America against any enemies, foreign or [b] domestic but in Cap's eyes America's government has become the enemy. So he isn't disobeying his orders per-say, but prioritizing them 😄He even proves what I'm saying in Civil war 3 when he puts the device on Stark because stark has ,as Cap said, gone "bad" or "over to the other side". [/B]
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
It's a full statement. you can't just cut off a statement at the point to where it's convenient to you.
In Cap's eyes he has to protect his country from threats and fight for freedom, truth, American way yadda yadda yadda but what if the threat is the one Cap is supposed to be swearing allegiance to? Cap chose his belief system over his politics 🙂
Originally posted by ankur29
thor is in teh last page of civil war 3check his wikipedia bio......... 😱 !!!!!!!!!!!
and apparently he is not on caps side as he strikes hercules with a bolt(some of you might know this or uit has already been mentioned)
Yea, we've had some long discussions about it like 15 pages back. Overall I believe the general belief is that this Thor is an imposter of some sort. I think that that is Donald Blake (and old host of Thor) thats been imbued with Thor's power since its implied that he found the hammer in a FF issue. Most of us have opted to take a "wait-and-see" position
Originally posted by pr1983Including breaking a vow?
They also stand up for what they believe in...
Originally posted by pr1983So a change in circumstances is grounds for breaking his oath? Would a change in Iraq (say...NOT finding weapons of mass destruction) be grounds for the soldiers to go back of their promises?
Cap made that oath many years ago, things have changed...
Originally posted by pr1983Funny, Hitler could've used the same quote, portraying the Jews as evil, and it would've worked.
Evil prevails when good men do nothing...
Originally posted by willRulesYou don't get it, do you? He is a soldier. A soldier doesn't make or change policy. They follow their orders. Period. Anything else is splitting hairs. If he wants to effect a change of policy, then he can do it in a non-violent manner as a civilian, like so many thousands of people have done over the decades.
In Cap's eyes he has to protect his country from threats and fight for freedom, truth, American way yadda yadda yadda but what if the threat is the one Cap is supposed to be swearing allegiance to? Cap chose his belief system over his politics 🙂
Imagine what effect THAT would've had. If Cap had led a non-violent revolt against this law. Speaking his mind about it to the press and the public. He would have hundreds of thousands of Americans on his side right now, and congress would feel the pressure and make a policy change.
Originally posted by marvelprinceY'know, I'm just gonna start posting the links to the scanned issues in my sig.
Yea, we've had some long discussions about it like 15 pages back. Overall I believe the general belief is that this Thor is an imposter of some sort. I think that that is Donald Blake (and old host of Thor) thats been imbued with Thor's power since its implied that he found the hammer in a FF issue. Most of us have opted to take a "wait-and-see" position