Civil War Report

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
You don't get it, do you? He is a soldier. A soldier doesn't make or change policy. They follow their orders. Period. Anything else is splitting hairs. If he wants to effect a change of policy, then he can do it in a non-violent manner as a civilian, like so many thousands of people have done over the decades.

Imagine what effect THAT would've had. If Cap had led a non-violent revolt against this law. Speaking his mind about it to the press and the public. He would have hundreds of thousands of Americans on his side right now, and congress would feel the pressure and make a policy change.

As much respect and following Cap would receive, right now it wouldn't be enough. The American people as a whole want the superhero registration to take place. Even Cap couldn't acquire the support required to halt its progress. I'm sure if that were a viable option, he would've already done it. I mean, do you really think Cap WANTS to fight his friends and former teamates? It was his last resort.

And, even if he did try that non-violent solution, he would still be arrested, since he wouldn't concede to the SRA.

So why not fight?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
You don't get it, do you? He is a soldier. A soldier doesn't make or change policy. They follow their orders. Period. Anything else is splitting hairs. If he wants to effect a change of policy, then he can do it in a non-violent manner as a civilian, like so many thousands of people have done over the decades.

Imagine what effect THAT would've had. If Cap had led a non-violent revolt against this law. Speaking his mind about it to the press and the public. He would have hundreds of thousands of Americans on his side right now, and congress would feel the pressure and make a policy change.

I get what you are saying. Cap is a soldier and is supposed to do what he is ordered nothing else.

But I don't think you get what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that Cap has realised that if doing the right thing, means him having to go AWOL and directly disobey orders, then he is willing to do it. It is the morals and scruples he stands for that is important to him, not what a guy in a tie says.

For Cap in this case, what is right may not necessarily be what is law or what is easy.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
As much respect and following Cap would receive, right now it wouldn't be enough. The American people as a whole want the superhero registration to take place. Even Cap couldn't acquire the support required to halt its progress. I'm sure if that were a viable option, he would've already done it. I mean, do you really think Cap WANTS to fight his friends and former teamates? It was his last resort.

And, even if he did try that non-violent solution, he would still be arrested, since he wouldn't concede to the SRA.

So why not fight?

Exactly ✅

Sorry Chaos. While I disagree with Cap, I understand his stance. Cap is a soldier second and a freedom fighter first

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sorry Chaos. While I disagree with Cap, I understand his stance. Cap is a soldier second and a freedom fighter first

Exactly ✅ he isn't much of a super soldier is he if he keeps disobeying orders because of his beliefs 😂

Besides. If he is supposed to follow orders without question, what if he was ordered by his superiors to...I dunno...go snap a young innocent child's neck? You're telling me he'd have to or SHOULD do it without question or fighting the order? Bull.

Cap is doing what is right, in his mind, for the country and its people as a whole. That's what Cap does and I'm supporting his decision to fight.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sorry Chaos. While I disagree with Cap, I understand his stance. Cap is a soldier second and a freedom fighter first

That's a very good way to put it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
As much respect and following Cap would receive, right now it wouldn't be enough. The American people as a whole want the superhero registration to take place. Even Cap couldn't acquire the support required to halt its progress. I'm sure if that were a viable option, he would've already done it. I mean, do you really think Cap WANTS to fight his friends and former teamates? It was his last resort.

And, even if he did try that non-violent solution, he would still be arrested, since he wouldn't concede to the SRA.

So why not fight?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Last resort? I NEVER ONCE saw him try and find a non-violent end to this.

Last resort is a bad way to put it. He did go for Tony first in CW3, but in CW1 SHIELD went right after him. Guess in his mind the time for talk has long past

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Last resort? I NEVER ONCE saw him try and find a non-violent end to this.

Yea, you're right. Wrong choice of words. But really, what other options did he have? It seems like three to me.

1. Peaceful, non-violent option, which results in him getting locked up.

2. Joining the SRA with no fighting whatsoever, even though that would be against everything he stands for.

3. Violent option, fighting for what he believes in and evading imprisonment in order to stand up for his beliefs and fight for what he believes is the good of the country and its people.

Going in order, this could be considered the last resort. Just saying. I could've called it anything.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Last resort is a bad way to put it. He did go for Tony first in CW3, but in CW1 SHIELD went right after him. Guess in his mind the time for talk has long past

Exactly. ✅

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Besides. If he is supposed to follow orders without question, what if he was ordered by his superiors to...I dunno...go snap a young innocent child's neck? You're telling me he'd have to or SHOULD do it without question or fighting the order? Bull.

Cap is doing what is right, in his mind, for the country and its people as a whole. That's what Cap does and I'm supporting his decision to fight.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
The UCMJ clearly states that a soldier doesn't have to, and should not follow orders that are clearly immoral or illegal.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, you're right. Wrong choice of words. But really, what other options did he have? It seems like three to me.

1. Peaceful, non-violent option, which results in him getting locked up.

2. Joining the SRA with no fighting whatsoever, even though that would be against everything he stands for.

3. Violent option, fighting for what he believes in and evading imprisonment in order to stand up for his beliefs and fight for what he believes is the good of the country and its people.

Going in order, this could be considered the last resort. Just saying. I could've called it anything.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sorry Chaos. While I disagree with Cap, I understand his stance. Cap is a soldier second and a freedom fighter first

Originally posted by Metalmanx
As much respect and following Cap would receive, right now it wouldn't be enough. The American people as a whole want the superhero registration to take place. Even Cap couldn't acquire the support required to halt its progress. I'm sure if that were a viable option, he would've already done it. I mean, do you really think Cap WANTS to fight his friends and former teamates? It was his last resort.

And, even if he did try that non-violent solution, he would still be arrested, since he wouldn't concede to the SRA.

So why not fight?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
#1 would not get him locked up. As I posted the other day, X-Factor is doing just that, and the government aren't doing a thing to them about it. Why? Because the constitution gives them the right to protest the law non-violently.

It would get him locked up. Even though he wouldn't be fighting, he also wouldn't agree to register with the SRA. That, by law, gets him locked up.

X-Factor is also composed of mutants, who are appearing to have different rights in this situation. Who, and I know you know this since you posted it, are already registered with the government prior to this Civil War incident. It even said in the article that they can protest all they want, but when they are actually caught interfering, they will be prosecuted as well.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
And if he had tried a non-violent solution, they would not have had grounds to arrest him.

Yes, he would still be arrested for not complying with the SRA. Even being as peaceful as possible, it wouldn't stop his imprisonment for defying the law.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
The UCMJ clearly states that a soldier doesn't have to, and should not follow orders that are clearly immoral or illegal.

and Cap considers the SRA to be immoral 🙂

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
The American People want the SRA because they have not been presented with an alternative. Even with the state of the public's views on the superhero community, Cap still had the publics support until he went AWOL. If he had decided to speak out against the SRA, the public would've listened. And if he had tried a non-violent solution, they would not have had grounds to arrest him.

But if he did that and continued his superhero activities they would arrest him, which is the whole point of his peaceful protest 🙄 that's why he can't protest peacefully. 🙂

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
It's [b]NEVER too late to talk. NEVER too late to find a peaceful means of stopping the bloodshed, and fighting. [/B]

I agree and I think Cap was wrong not to try and talk about it first which is where he is in the wrong. That's the great thing bout this storyline, neither side is completly right or wrong on the issue, they need to comprimise. 🙂