Originally posted by Bentley
I knew people would come and say Iceman could do thing he has never done, he has never inhabited in someone who can manipulate matter. I'm pretty sure that would kill Iceman badly.That aside, I would like to see some scans about Iceman moving his essence through water around the world, how can he travels through the space in his "essence form"? Does he has to touch the mentioned material? See it?
did I answer your questions?
Originally posted by LordFear
Man thank god I stopped buying Xmen a long time ago. iF these characters are so powerful, who are their nemesis
I mean in civil war xmen.. iceman had problems with a sentinel, but some other times he's not even a mutant (he's a god).
If his low showings should be ignored as jobbing, i'd say his absurdly high showings should be ignored as well (doesn't have a catchy phrase like jobbing, but we'll work on that)
Originally posted by Trolt
yep it's that stupid, but people'll buy comics as long as their favourites become more and more powerful.I mean in civil war xmen.. iceman had problems with a sentinel, but some other times he's not even a mutant (he's a god).
If his low showings should be ignored as jobbing, i'd say his absurdly high showings should be ignored as well (doesn't have a catchy phrase like jobbing, but we'll work on that)
Just because you don't like what Iceman can do on a consistent basis doesn't mean you can discount them.
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Just because you don't like what Iceman can do on a consistent basis doesn't mean you can discount them.
True ..but for constistancy (hard for me to argue because it's REALLY hard to WANT to follow the xmen) i guess i gotta refer to civil war (as comics that involve crossovers from the entire companies' roster are usually more accurate than the "ice-man and other gods" x-titles
too bad we can't ignore his low showings as well.
check out x-men civil war 2 i believe.
After not being able to take down ONE sentinel (along with beast/angel/cyclops) bobby says "How are we going to save the 198 if we can't even take down 1 sentinel"
Maybe bobby is trying reverse psychology ??? I dont think so.
Heros with an unreasonably huge range in ability (from >sentinel to a god) just means the writers dont' know what they are talkin about it.
x-men civil war 3 : Bobby's holding some soldiers back by erecting an ice wall to stop their bullets. He asks " I'm going to need help here"
I dont think bobby wanted someone to scratch his back. Hell even i know it's an unnormally low showing, as bobby could have easily sent that ice wall forwards and crushed the soldier's guns.
I'm just saying that ...if low showings are stupid..then whats to say his high showings arn't ?
Taking away some characters' CIS gives them a MAJOR advantage.
Originally posted by Trolt
I'm just saying that ...if low showings are stupid..then whats to say his high showings arn't ?
Taking away some characters' CIS gives them a MAJOR advantage.
company wide programs usually downgrade less major players and upgrade the others. Even in his own X-men title he is still playing a huge and creative role (steam forms, being blown up in human form, inhibiting someones body)
And even with the low showings, marvel writers since his conception have ALWAYS said that he has so much untapped potential/powers and has had his powers consistently shown to be more than what he uses (at least before). Some writers are just too dumb to realize that other writers have had him tap some of that potential. 😬
Originally posted by Blair Wind
company wide programs usually downgrade less major players and upgrade the others. Even in his own X-men title he is still playing a huge and creative role (steam forms, being blown up in human form, inhibiting someones body)And even with the low showings, marvel writers since his conception have ALWAYS said that he has so much untapped potential/powers and has had his powers consistently shown to be more than what he uses (at least before). Some writers are just too dumb to realize that other writers have had him tap some of that potential. 😬
I guess the problem isn't the "dumb" writes who dont know what iceman is capable of. It's the one who insist on puttin him on a team with guys like beast/angel/cyclops when with his power, he can do much more.
This is why the surfer doesn't hang around wolverine much 🙂
Um...x-men civilwar is the only x-men titled tied in (i think)... i dont think its' that hard extramission55
Originally posted by TroltUm...x-men civilwar is the only x-men titled tied in (i think)... i dont think its' that hard extramission55
no no, im saynig
you know like uncanny xmen, astonishing xmen (nither which are civil war tie-in's)
so i was wondering what x-men comic the tie-ins were in
but apparently, your saying its actually just called x-men civil war correct?
Other arguments
I already readed the feats and nothing there points me towards new powers that Iceman posseses outside the scope I already suspected.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Blackbolt screams, creating vibration in the air.Iceman sucks the Kinetic energy out of the scream, stopping those vibrations.
Blackbolt dies reeaall quick.
I didnt see any kinetic energy/stealing in the feats, as in the last time you said it, I dont see where that comes from.
Nothing speaks about Bobby's reaction speed either, in the feats he comes in contact with water and then becomes water -he can pass his consience to any part of the water, thus traveling instantly through the distance of the river/lake/sea he touched. He is not fast as in dodging bullets, rays or punches; he can just travel long distances by touching long water boddies because he becomes the body in question and thus his movement of translation becomes no more than moving a part of himself -no matter the location in the water body. To me that can be speedblitzed by faster oponents who can kill Bobby (say the Surfer).
When Bobby is hit, if any part of his water endures the attack (if only in the vapor form) he can reconstruct himself. It needs to be an attack that destroys the element on its essence to be something that can actually kill Bobby, to destroy the link between the oxygen-hydrogen molecules.
Now, if you would please tell me how Bobby entered in the body of the person in which he resided (and proceeded to kill), then I could get my own conclusions to this question without the need of people shouting that iceman is god.
heres my thing
if iceman can be transmutated
then i dont think hes going to win as easily as people here are saying, or if at all
blackbolt has some pertty rediculous manipulation feats
most noteably to this case, turning an army into stone and parting a sea in half
not to undermind icemans control over himself, im just saying
this seems like a simple writeoff when infact it probably isint
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Transmutation won't work because he already turns himself into a non-organic form.
heres my thing
if iceman can be transmutated
then i dont think hes going to win as easily as people here are saying, or if at allblackbolt has some pertty rediculous manipulation feats
most noteably to this case, turning an army into stone and parting a sea in half
not to undermind icemans control over himself, im just saying
this seems like a simple writeoff when infact it probably isint