Who can beat The Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yup. Those 3 have more than what's needed to beat SS.

The thread is also who can beat SS...not who completely dominates him.
Don't buy into the forum caste system hype.

Thanos is no skyfather so who else are you counting out on my list and why?

Superman, could only beat him, using T-Vo.

Thor may be able to do it, but a certain speed disadvantage, kind of, well, you know...

Well, I'm thinking of, people who could beat him for the majority of the times, you know, 6/10, and such.
Also, what are you talking about, with this hype?
I have, every Surfer comic, so the only thing I see, is what is there. Hell, there is feats in those things, that haven't even been mentioned on here...

No, your right, Thanos isn't a skyfather, but he is a skyfather level.
Also, what are you basing, Thanos not being a skyfather on?

Amazo (maybe I'm just thinking of the super powered versions), or the one owned by Black Adam... Dr Strange, Thanos, I thought I heard somewhere around here, about Waverider being way above skyfather...

Originally posted by bigbran
Ok, but first, your going to have to tell me, what Sentry beating him, is based off of.

Superman, could only beat him, using T-Vo.

Thor may be able to do it, but a certain speed disadvantage, kind of, well, you know...

Well, I'm thinking of, people who could beat him for the majority of the times, you know, 6/10, and such.
Also, what are you talking about, with this hype?
I have, every Surfer comic, so the only thing I see, is what is there. Hell, there is feats in those things, that haven't even been mentioned on here...

No, your right, Thanos isn't a skyfather, but he is a skyfather level.
Also, what are you basing, Thanos not being a skyfather on?

Amazo (maybe I'm just thinking of the super powered versions), or the one owned by Black Adam... Dr Strange, Thanos, I thought I heard somewhere around here, about Waverider being way above skyfather...

Sentry easily handled Terrax and the Void handled quite a few marvel heros at once. Sentry according to Marvel is their most powerful hero. While I'm no Sentry fan and am not buying into the Galactus hype...there is no reason to put him as near useless either simply because he doesn't have tons of hardcore feats on his onw.

Superman can KO SS withouth too much issue. The guy is ridiculously powerful and SS has been taken out by physical force before. T-vo is an option.

In a straight battle, Thor has the advantage over SS. Off his board...the guy is no speedster. Mjolnir is more powerful than SS. If SS came out of the blue flying 300x the speed of light and taking out thor..thats no battle...that's an ambush.

Thanos is no more skyfather than anyone else we're basing on high end feats.

Waveriders powerset is a tough one to deal with. I wouldn't put him above skyfathers though.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sentry easily handled Terrax and the Void handled quite a few marvel heros at once. Sentry according to Marvel is their most powerful hero. While I'm no Sentry fan and am not buying into the Galactus hype...there is no reason to put him as near useless either simply because he doesn't have tons of hardcore feats on his onw.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Superman can KO SS withouth too much issue. The guy is ridiculously powerful and SS has been taken out by physical force before. T-vo is an option.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]In a straight battle, Thor has the advantage over SS. Off his board...the guy is no speedster. Mjolnir is more powerful than SS. If SS came out of the blue flying 300x the speed of light and taking out thor..thats no battle...that's an ambush.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B] Thanos is no more skyfather than anyone else we're basing on high end feats. ]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sentry easily handled Terrax and the Void handled quite a few marvel heros at once. Sentry according to Marvel is their most powerful hero. While I'm no Sentry fan and am not buying into the Galactus hype...there is no reason to put him as near useless either simply because he doesn't have tons of hardcore feats on his onw.

Superman can KO SS withouth too much issue. The guy is ridiculously powerful and SS has been taken out by physical force before. T-vo is an option.

In a straight battle, Thor has the advantage over SS. Off his board...the guy is no speedster. Mjolnir is more powerful than SS. If SS came out of the blue flying 300x the speed of light and taking out thor..thats no battle...that's an ambush.

Thanos is no more skyfather than anyone else we're basing on high end feats.

Waveriders powerset is a tough one to deal with. I wouldn't put him above skyfathers though.

Without too much of an issue? It's a good thing that Surfer isn't being underated here.

Wait, his hammer isn't really more powerful than Surfer, they have been stated as equals though. Only the godblast would be (oh ya, I owned every Thor comis too).

Like who are we saying is a skyfather that isn't? Thanos has those feats all the time. If your calling them high end feats, then maybe you are trying to use his low end feats to downplay him, since I don't remember him actually having to many feats that haven't been shown to be way beyond his abilities, as he is shown normally.
If you want some proof here, for a skyfather.
Vishu (don't know how to spell it) had some trouble with Thor. You don't have to be on Odin's level, to be at that level. Thanos stood up to Odin though, quite a while ago... no other skyfather (besides Zues, but thats debateable), is as powerful as Odin. Odin equals the highest skyfather.
Also, there are only like 6 actual skyfathers in comics. You can be at that level, which Thanos is, but you can't be one.

Wait, don't you dislike Thanos anyway? Could that have something to do with your conclusion...

No, they only have to be at that level, to be banned from this thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so your willing to admit that Cosmic Spiderman could take out Supes, since Marvel once stated that he was their most powerful hero EVER?

I have no idea what this has to do with the rest of the thread. Cosmic Spidey doesn't even exist anymore. Sentry does.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfers also RESISTED massive amounts of physical force before. Supes might be able to take Surfer a couple times out of 10, but it would be a MAJOR issue for him. And Surfer wouldn't give him enough time to use T-Vo for anything more than creating illuisions.

That's good and all, but save it for an actual Superman vs Surfer thread. The thread here is WHO *CAN* BEAT SILVER SURFER... Not who dominates or massacres him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thor without his hammer ain't much of a speedster either. Thor could give Surfer a harder fight than most, but Surfer SHOULD still take the majority.

Again, Who *can* beat the Silver Surfer. Who takes majority is a non issue in this thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Your right, Thanos ISN'T a Skyfather(cause he's not a God). However, he IS powerful enough to compete with skyfathers.

As are many characters if you use their top end feats.

Hell even Absorbing man gave Odin a hard time...speaking of him...if he was hit with a cosmic blast would he not become a living ball of power cosmic?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Again, Who *can* beat the Silver Surfer. Who takes majority is a non issue in this thread.

Also, the rules of the board usually have fights going in majorities.
The poster hasn't explained otherwise.
Also, we think by beating him, that we would go by forum rules, and not just one win.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I have no idea what this has to do with the rest of the thread. Cosmic Spidey doesn't even exist anymore. Sentry does.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's good and all, but save it for an actual Superman vs Surfer thread. The thread here is WHO *CAN* BEAT SILVER SURFER... Not who dominates or massacres him.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Again, Who *can* beat the Silver Surfer. Who takes majority is a non issue in this thread.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
As are many characters if you use their top end feats.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK, Sentry took out Void... Surfer took out Uni-Lord...

Without too much of an issue? It's a good thing that Surfer isn't being underated here.

Wait, his hammer isn't really more powerful than Surfer, they have been stated as equals though. Only the godblast would be (oh ya, I owned every Thor comis too).

Like who are we saying is a skyfather that isn't? Thanos has those feats all the time. If your calling them high end feats, then maybe you are trying to use his low end feats to downplay him, since I don't remember him actually having to many feats that haven't been shown to be way beyond his abilities, as he is shown normally.

All my choices are being tossed in a box, shaken up and stirred and all come out with the possibility to beat each other. Who dominates who is an entirely different thread.

If you want some proof here, for a skyfather.
Vishu (don't know how to spell it) had some trouble with Thor. You don't have to be on Odin's level, to be at that level. Thanos stood up to Odin though, quite a while ago... no other skyfather (besides Zues, but thats debateable), is as powerful as Odin. Odin equals the highest skyfather.
Also, there are only like 6 actual skyfathers in comics. You can be at that level, which Thanos is, but you can't be one.[/B][/QUOTE]

Thanos is an extremely devious intergalactic villain. Doesn't make him a skyfather. The only place I've heard Thanos and skyfather are on threads.

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, don't you dislike Thanos anyway? Could that have something to do with your conclusion...

Never claimed I disliked Thanos. In fact, I like the character..however...I don't overrate him either. I enjoy him for the devious schemer that he is.

I know you like Thanos a whole lot...does that have anything to do with your outcome?

Originally posted by bigbran
No, they only have to be at that level, to be banned from this thread.

Then a whole lot of characters would be banned gauging by high end feats.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't really have anything to do with THIS thread, but I seem to remember you and a couple other DC buffs, shouting about how Cosmic Spiderman couldn't take the majority over Supes, because he didn't have the feats to prove it. So which is it?

Exactly. It has nothing to do with this thread....Nuff said.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I wouldn't have said anything about it, if you hadn't added the "without to much issue" part. I was just pointing out that it WOULD be an issue, and that T-Vo wouldn't be very practical.

"KO" and "defeats 10/10" (and I've seen that ridiculous claim MANY a time here) are 2 totally different things.

Either way it boils to the same thing. Victories are possible.

There is nothing to debate there.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Once again, I wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't acted like it'd be a clear win for Thor.

Once again I never said it was 10/10 for either character. Going back to the point of this thread..it's a non issue anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not just his top end feats. He's consistently been shown to be quite a bit higher than Herald level. He was taking on Thor, Mar-Vell, and others at the same time in one of his first appearances. He had several upgrades between then and his showing against Odin, so that's not an over the top feat by any stretch of the imagination.

Still doesn't make him "Skyfather." Beating multiple characters at once is a common thing in comics.

Originally posted by bigbran
So even if someone can get one win out of him, that counts?
Cop-out?
Hell, if that's what your thinking, then tons of people can do it.

Also, the rules of the board usually have fights going in majorities.
The poster hasn't explained otherwise.
Also, we think by beating him, that we would go by forum rules, and not just one win.

So you are saying those characters cannot beat SS at all?

Also, who is "we?" Are you speaking for all of KMC?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
All my choices are being tossed in a box, shaken up and stirred and all come out with the possibility to beat each other. Who dominates who is an entirely different thread.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Thanos is an extremely devious intergalactic villain. Doesn't make him a skyfather. The only place I've heard Thanos and skyfather are on threads.

Also, maybe that is because Thanos is NOT a skyfather! And you sure as hell wouldn't hear it in comics!
Thanos is a skyfather LEVEL though.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Never claimed I disliked Thanos. In fact, I like the character..however...I don't overrate him either. I enjoy him for the devious schemer that he is.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I know you like Thanos a whole lot...does that have anything to do with your outcome?

I also know his feats too. Could that have something to do with my outcome... yes, in fact, it does.
I haven't really seen these overly high end feats you are talking about too.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then a whole lot of characters would be banned gauging by high end feats.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So you are saying those characters cannot beat SS at all?

Also, who is "we?" Are you speaking for all of KMC?

I'm talking about the people who use majorities, you know, practically all of KMC, 'cept, a few.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
IMO this board has become a feat whoring fest. While personally I love watching characters at the max potential, I can't always go by that alone...otherwise Superman is a multiversal space shatterer and Surfer can kick Galactus ass and take Mephistos spot with ease.

Marvel has specifically said that Sentry is the most powerful hero. That doesn't mean that he gets 10/10 on SS either..but he has more than enough potential to beat him. I'm no fan of either character so I think it's a completely fair judgement.

Superman is on a whole other level. He's got feats a plenty to compete with Surfer and both could take each other out. Both have a PIS aplenty to go around to debate on forever.

sometimes superman is outclassed, but he´s superman so DC will not put him loosing to a lot of characters, say for example the crossover when he fights thor, he beat him fast, most people in KMC will say that thor should have won, and their probably right since supes is vulnerable to magic.
But in silver surfer´s case you don´t even have mistakes, first of all we analyze the full potential of the characters and surfer can beat him in more then one way, and finally in the superman/surfer crossover, you can see how superman is admires with surfer´s power they don´t fight but its clear who is more powerful, especially when surfer restores supes city size.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, your not going by majority though?
Just by getting one wins, and shit?
Well, hell, a lot of people can do it.

Exactly my point.

There are plenty of SOLO threads where we can debate who dominates who.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly. It has nothing to do with this thread....Nuff said.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind "KO" and "defeats 10/10" (and I've seen that ridiculous claim MANY a time here) are 2 totally different things.

Either way it boils to the same thing. Victories are possible.

There is nothing to debate there.[/B]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind Once again I never said it was 10/10 for either character. Going back to the point of this thread..it's a non issue anyway.[/B]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind Still doesn't make him "Skyfather." Beating multiple characters at once is a common thing in comics. [/B]

Originally posted by darthgoober
Fine, I'll bump THAT thread, and we can see if your opinion changes with the characters.

Feel free to persue your "crusade."

Originally posted by darthgoober
I've been saying that Supes could pull a couple of wins out of 10 against Surfer for a while now. I just responded because you acted like it'd be an easy KO if Supes actually got his hands on him.

Who cares? They can both get wins. There is a whole separate thread for this you know...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Once again, I just responded because you implied a clear victory over Surfer.

Ah..."Implied" that's on your end, not mine. Honestly...who cares?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Just pointing out that Thanos has ALWAYS been over herald level. So considering his power ups since then, his Odin Showing is perfectly valid.

But is still no skyfather.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK, Sentry took out Void... Surfer took out Uni-Lord...

Without too much of an issue? It's a good thing that Surfer isn't being underated here.

Wait, his hammer isn't really more powerful than Surfer, they have been stated as equals though. Only the godblast would be (oh ya, I owned every Thor comis too).

Like who are we saying is a skyfather that isn't? Thanos has those feats all the time. If your calling them high end feats, then maybe you are trying to use his low end feats to downplay him, since I don't remember him actually having to many feats that haven't been shown to be way beyond his abilities, as he is shown normally.
If you want some proof here, for a skyfather.
Vishu (don't know how to spell it) had some trouble with Thor. You don't have to be on Odin's level, to be at that level. Thanos stood up to Odin though, quite a while ago... no other skyfather (besides Zues, but thats debateable), is as powerful as Odin. Odin equals the highest skyfather.
Also, there are only like 6 actual skyfathers in comics. You can be at that level, which Thanos is, but you can't be one.

Wait, don't you dislike Thanos anyway? Could that have something to do with your conclusion...

No, they only have to be at that level, to be banned from this thread.

I don't recall Thor and Surfer being referred to as equals, but I have the scans where Surfer claims Thor is the more powerful of the two.

I also have the scans where Surfer is afraid that Mjolnir may be able to catch him.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Feel free to persue your "crusade."

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind Who cares? They can both get wins. There is a whole separate thread for this you know....[/B]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind Ah..."Implied" that's on your end, not mine. Honestly...who cares? ."[/B]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind But is still no skyfather. [/B]

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh come on. Your not really going to cop out on this one are you? After all the arguing you did for Supes on that thread, you SUDDENLY decide that statements made by the company mean more than actual feats. And now your not even going to back up your opinion and give Spidey the clear majority on the other thread?

And I should go back and explain in detail for YOUR personal satisfaction? Doesn't quite work that way. You insisting it isn't going to make it so either.

The thread is there. Read through it..there are reasons for everything. I'm not going to reiterate.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I've actually bumped that twice recently, but the only times Supes fans want to act like he could get an easy KO against Surfer, is when it's not directly related to the issue.

So go argue it in that thread. It still has zilch to do with this one.

Originally posted by darthgoober
My end nothing, you said that the HAMMER was more powerful than Surfer. So if that were true, then Thor(who's quite the powerhouse) should be able to take Surfer with ease.

Surfer's own words that the hammer is more powerful than him. Simple as that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course not. He's not a God(and only Gods are Skyfathers). By the same token, PC Supes and Superboy Prime aren't Skyfathers either. Thanos can just take one Skyfathers in combat because he's right at their level of power.

Which goes back to the point of tons of characters having consistent high points.