Who can beat The Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And I should go back and explain in detail for YOUR personal satisfaction? Doesn't quite work that way. You insisting it isn't going to make it so either.

If it happens it happens, we don't owe each other anything.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So go argue it in that thread. It still has zilch to do with this one.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Surfer's own words that the hammer is more powerful than him. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Which goes back to the point of tons of characters having consistent high points.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I don't recall Thor and Surfer being referred to as equals, but I have the scans where Surfer claims Thor is the more powerful of the two.

I also have the scans where Surfer is afraid that Mjolnir may be able to catch him.

Strange has said that Surfer is the only one that can take him out.
Heros say a lot of things.

Is that where he uses his board as a shield (first fight), and then later uses his powers to block Thor from his hammer?

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, I remember that. same fight as the first one.

Strange has said that Surfer is the only one that can take him out.
Heros say a lot of things.

Is that where he uses his board as a shield (first fight), and then later uses his powers to block Thor from his hammer?

Yep thats the fight. He stated that Thor if need be could have obtained Mjolnir at any time, and this is all while his power was augmented by Loki.

BTW, without prep Surfer can defeat Strange.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yep thats the fight. He stated that Thor if need be could have obtained Mjolnir at any time, and this is all while his power was augmented by Loki.

BTW, without prep Surfer can defeat Strange.

Ok, Hulk stated that Surfer was stronger than him. Hulk beats/stalemates Thor in h2h...

Also, that is the showings of Thor in Surfer, extremely powerful, same as his own books.

Runner
Thor = MAYBE
Thanos
Superman on his best day = MAYBE
Genis = stalemate

Originally posted by Faceman
Superman on his best day = MAYBE

On his best day?

1/10.

the runner defeated SS without breaking a sweat

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I don't recall Thor and Surfer being referred to as equals, but I have the scans where Surfer claims Thor is the more powerful of the two.

I also have the scans where Surfer is afraid that Mjolnir may be able to catch him.

and spiderman beat firelord.

Waaaaay of topic but check the conspiracy thread i started one relating to santa Vs satan u should check it out

Current Silver Surfer is strapped to a machine with his life force sucked out.... pretty much anyone could beat him now.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you don't have to. Since you and I know who'd win between the two, that's enough for me. Hey for that matter, Sentry must take Supes too, since he's currently the most powerful(think about it, Thor's a Skyfather now, so Sentry must be WAY up there)./B]

And now you're assuming...lol...someone is REALLY fishing for an argument.

Since when does "most powerful hero in Marvel" suddenly mean that they can beat any DC character?

Better yet...how does that mean the top hero wins all the time?

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]There's nothing to really argue, Supes can't KO Surfer easily. It's that simple. (Though if you disagree, I can bump it again)./B]

Funny how I don't see you counteracting ridiculous SS 10/10 over Superman...

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]Hey, by Supes own words, Thor may be the toughest opponent he ever faced(and don't forget he's taken on Doomsday, Darkseid, damn near everyone else is DC), so if we're all willing to accept that, I can accept Surfer saying he's more powerful./B]

So take your pick...if he says they are each his toughest opponent..which is really the toughest?

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]Yes, and Thanos's puts him in league with Skyfathers. 😄

In your words....not Marvels.

Oh, Lord, once again I must rise to point out how the Surfer, when fighting Thor the first time, was at a fraction of his former power. In fact, I believe I've stated this often enough and have cited panel evidence (the last one being Surfer's own words just 2 issues before he fought Thor), such that I shouldn't have to repeat it here.

This is really Marvel's fault, for being so blatantly inconsistent. 😠

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And now you're assuming...lol...someone is REALLY fishing for an argument.

Since when does "most powerful hero in Marvel" suddenly mean that they can beat any DC character?

Better yet...how does that mean the top hero wins all the time?

Wrong. I'm not fishing for an argument. I'm simply seeking a solid stance on the issue from you. Because the way I see it, as long as the speculation is working against Surfer, then it's perfectly acceptable. However, when it's being used against Supes, then you bust out with comments like this...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly...and I haven't said either character is unlimited, just that Supes is on a higher scale due to many, many showings.

Spidey simply has speculation, and that doesn't hold water no matter how you try to spin it.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Funny how I don't see you counteracting ridiculous SS 10/10 over Superman...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So take your pick...if he says they are each his toughest opponent..which is really the toughest?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In your words....not Marvels.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wrong. I'm not fishing for an argument. I'm simply seeking a solid stance on the issue from you. Because the way I see it, as long as the speculation is working against Surfer, then it's perfectly acceptable. However, when it's being used against Supes, then you bust out with comments like this...

Yup. That must be why I've said that they can all beat each other.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So which is it?
And CS and Sentry being the most powerful hero in Marvel DOESN'T automatically give them the win against any character in DC(because DC has Skyfather characters and such), but the fact that Marvel said that means that he's above ANY of their other heroes. Right now, Thor is a skyfather, so Marvel's statement would put Sentry above that. CS was regarded as being their most powerful EVER. So either of those statement if taken at face value, should give either of them a clear win over Supes. Now are YOU saying that Supes should take the majority over EVERY Marvel hero that's ever been made(and Marvel's Skyfathers)?

Thor is asleep and there is no indication that he is coming back at a skyfather level. CS may have been stated as the most powerful almost 20 years ago, but then Sentry came along.

YOU were the one bringing up CS SPIDEY here...how that translates to Superman beating skyfathers baffles me. Are you saying cosmic spidey can beat skyfathers?

Originally posted by darthgoober
That is funny, because I've actually defended Supes ability to take a couple of wins over Surfer every since I found up about the way he's been powered up.

Great. Then that's that. You must have missed the comment where I said throw em in a box and any of my picks have a chance to win. SS included.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey, once again I'm leaving up to you to decide how much credit to lend with statements like that. If you want to accept that Surfer's statement auto matically puts Thor's hammer over him in power, that's fine. However, accepting statements like that also puts Thor over everyone Supes had fought up until that point. So which is it?

Really? So you are claiming that Thor's hammer is MORE POWERFUL than ANYONE Superman has fought and this is so becuase YOU believe Surfer is more powerful than anyone in the DC universe?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Absolutely, my words. But Marvel's showings for him. Just like DC never named PC Supes or SBP a Skyfather either, but their showings indicate that they are at the Skyfather level of power.

PC Lex must have been skyfather too considering he manipulated time with orange juice and a flashlight. Current Krypto must be skyfather as well.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yup. That must be why I've said that they can all beat each other.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Thor is asleep and there is no indication that he is coming back at a skyfather level. CS may have been stated as the most powerful almost 20 years ago, but then Sentry came along.

YOU were the one bringing up CS SPIDEY here...how that translates to Superman beating skyfathers baffles me. Are you saying cosmic spidey can beat skyfathers?

If Thor was last seen as a Skyfather, then he still is until indicated otherwise. So if Marvel's statement about Sentry is valid, then that would put him above Skyfather. So if your unwilling to give Sentry the majority over Supes, than YOUR implying that Supes is above Skyfather. This whole thing could be resolved, if you'd just make an actual stance on how valid company statements are during a debate. If they ARE valid, then that means that Sentry WOULD take majority over Surfer(Of course that would also mean that He and Cosmic Spiderman BOTH take majority over Supes in your opinion).

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Great. Then that's that. You must have missed the comment where I said throw em in a box and any of my picks have a chance to win. SS included.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Really? So you are claiming that Thor's hammer is MORE POWERFUL than ANYONE Superman has fought and this is so becuase YOU believe Surfer is more powerful than anyone in the DC universe?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
PC Lex must have been skyfather too considering he manipulated time with orange juice and a flashlight.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Your still trying to cop out on this one. Is the statement valid or not? If it's valid, then you should be willing to admit that CS and Sentry should both take the majority over Supes. Just answer the question.

No, you are fishing. Everything has been answered either in this forum or in the prior forum that you are mentioning.

Sentry vs Cosmic Spidey seems to be the crux of everything...so you think CS beats Sentry?

Originally posted by darthgoober
He never lost the Odin Power, so until it's established that he has, he's still a Skyfather. And I know that CS hasn't been around for 20 years, I'm not trying to compare him with Sentry. I'm comparing each of them to Supes, because you seem to hold different standards in regards to Marvel and DC characters. If

If Thor was last seen as a Skyfather, then he still is until indicated otherwise. So if Marvel's statement about Sentry is valid, then that would put him above Skyfather. So if your unwilling to give Sentry the majority over Supes, than YOUR implying that Supes is above Skyfather. This whole thing could be resolved, if you'd just make an actual stance on how valid company statements are during a debate. If they ARE valid, then that means that Sentry WOULD take majority over Surfer(Of course that would also mean that He and Cosmic Spiderman BOTH take majority over Supes in your opinion).

This is all YOUR opinion and someohow you are trying to impose this on me?

YOU think Superman is above skyfather? Explain how..cause it came from you...not me.

Also did Marvel and DC agree that the highest hero in Marvel > Superman and ALL HIS ENEMIES (what YOU insinuated.)

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never denied that any of them could win. This whole thing started with you trying to act like Supes could get an easy KO on Surfer.

Neither did I. I also said there is a separate topic for specifics.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, because I personally don't lend statements like Surfer's or Supes much credit. YOUR the one who acted like Surfer's statement was a clear indication of power, and if that's the case, then so is Supes.

Apparently you do, or you wouldn't be so upset about a thread that was forgotten months ago.

And that's "You're" short for "YOU ARE." "YOUR" means something else.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Once again...I never said that Thanos was a Skyfather. I said that he was at Skyfather level. He has the showings to indicate it, just like PC Supes and SBP do. Are you now saying that PC Supes and SBP AREN'T at Skyfather level?

Are you saying that Krypto is skyfather level? Is PC Lex skyfather level?

Is Bugs Bunny skyfather? He erases universes with erasers.

Bugs is far beyond Skyfather.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Are you saying that Krypto is skyfather level? Is PC Lex skyfather level?

Is Bugs Bunny skyfather? He erases universes with erasers.

Also, Lex did that with prep. It wasn't his own power.
Hell anyone with a spring, flashlight, orange juice, and a straw can do this... 😖hifty:
It had nothing to do with his power, only his intellegence.

Do you see nayone here using Thanos's intellect to put him at skyfather, no!

Also, yes, Bugs Bunny, is way up there. Skyfather, and beyond level.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
No, you are fishing. Everything has been answered either in this forum or in the prior forum that you are mentioning.

Sentry vs Cosmic Spidey seems to be the crux of everything...so you think CS beats Sentry?

I haven't said anything about Sentry vs CS. I'm really not familiar enough with Sentry to judge.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This is all YOUR opinion and someohow you are trying to impose this on me?

YOU think Superman is above skyfather? Explain how..cause it came from you...not me.

Also did Marvel and DC agree that the highest hero in Marvel > Superman and ALL HIS ENEMIES (what YOU insinuated.)

So if you are going to continue saying that Marvel's statement is a valid indicator of power, then you should also be willing to admit that Sentry takes Supes. Unless of course, you honestly think that Supes is above a Marvel Skyfather.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Neither did I. I also said there is a separate topic for specifics.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Apparently you do, or you wouldn't be so upset about a thread that was forgotten months ago.

And that's "You're" short for "YOU ARE." "YOUR" means something else.

And, I honestly don't mind statements like Surfer and Supes made, it's pretty standard for characters to say things like that. That's why I don't lend statements like that much credit. And I'm not upset about that thread. I simply noticed the different standards you seem to have when the opposition of speculation is Surfer rather than Supes. It seems to me that YOU'RE the one who is upset, because I happened to note bias and the use of a double standard on YOUR part.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Are you saying that Krypto is skyfather level? Is PC Lex skyfather level?

Is Bugs Bunny skyfather? He erases universes with erasers.

But anyway, are you now saying that PC Supes and SBP AREN'T as powerful as many Skyfathers?

Originally posted by Priest
Can anyone beat The Silver Surfer (current)?
NO one above [B]above or on Skyfather level is allowed.
Debate.. [/B]

The only thing that seems to have changed about the Surfer is the attitude he has to using his power.... anyone who was powerful enough to beat him before should still be able to do it.