Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. College, remmeber? And it calls Palpa the strongest of Bane's order and in over a tousand years. Nice try, though.
For reference to what Lightsnake is talking about:
"The Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane, only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strengths of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."
-- Darkside Sourcebook, Chapter Five: Dark Side Traditions, Page 85.
It then goes on to say,
'Perhaps the best weapon in his arsenal was his keen understanding of galactic politics, and his seemingly unlimited ability to engineer situations that ultimately served to further empower the sith',
so power in this context most likely is inclusive of political power. That statement doesn't definitely prove that DE Sidious is more powerful (in terms of combat prowess) than Bane.
I just want to say this: statements from the novelizations don't count with the ancient warriors or wars. For example, “"Palpatine stood close by his shoulder, opposite to Obi-Wan, so close he needed only to whisper. "You have destroyed their political head. Take their military commander, and you will have practically won the war. Single-handed. Who else could do that, Anakin? Yoda? Mace Windu? They couldn't even capture Dooku. Who would have a chance against Grievous, if not Anakin Skywalker? The Jedi have never faced a crisis like the Clone Wars...”. This is obviously false, so, i don't really think statements like "the strongest ever" are to be taken in consideration when we are alking about novelizations that don't use ancient siths or jedis...
Anyway, this is a very hard match, yet, i think that yoda would win, barely, but he would win.
Obviously statements made by fallible, third party characters such as the one you provided shouldn't be taken into consideration (as Palpatine was the one who said it), however, they don't have the omniscience or authority a narrator does.
If a narrator were to state, for example, "This is character X. The most powerful person ever to grace the history of Star Wars due to his immense power over the Y side of the Force", then that - as long as the source be C-canon - is correct.
Originally posted by Advent
For reference to what Lightsnake is talking about:"The Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane, only two. [b]The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious
, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strengths of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."-- Darkside Sourcebook, Chapter Five: Dark Side Traditions, Page 85. [/B]
The databank has already confirmed that the Emperor was the most powerful Sith Lord in modern times, and this seems to only underline it. He was the most powerful of Bane's lineage. It also seems to do away with theory that Sidious's Sith belongings, knowledge, and artifacts were extremely limited.
It then goes on to say,
'Perhaps the best weapon in his arsenal was his keen understanding of galactic politics, and his seemingly unlimited ability to engineer situations that ultimately served to further empower the sith',
so power in this context most likely is inclusive of political power. That statement doesn't definitely prove that DE Sidious is more powerful (in terms of combat prowess) than Bane.
Yeah, like Kas'im "most likely" redirected Bane's Force push? Pardon if not everyone subscribes to your exaggerations or assertions on everything, Planet.
That statement would likely be interpreted that Sidious's greatest asset was his intellect - which is pretty much true, regardless. Count Dooku, who was covetous and fearful of Sidious's dark side secrets seemed to think that his master's greatest skill and ability was his ability to manipulate others, which is all that that excerpt says.
And, yeah, DE Sidious is capable of forming much more powerful attacks.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah. No.
O RLY?
Palpatine is also confirmed as stronger in Heritage of the Sith.
Direct quote, and scan please?
You don't get to worm your way out of clear cut statements describing power as power has most always been used to represent 'stronger' or 'better.'
Yet it goes on to explain that his greatest weapon may just be his political skills and manipulation, which isn't combat related.
Sad, but true, Planet. Time to grow cry yourself to sleep
Ok. I'll grow cry myself to sleep. 🙄
Ok, I'm gonna say this so morons can get it:
I'm at ****ing college. There is no goddamn scanner. You want it? Get off your lazy ass and go read a bit.
Oh, and it still calls him the most powerful, then goes on to explain a greater weapon. Power is always used to refer to ability and strength in the force
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, I'm gonna say this so morons can get it:
I'm at ****ing college. There is no goddamn scanner. You want it? Get off your lazy ass and go read a bit.
Until you can actually provide proof, there's no reason for me to believe your claims, and don't tell me to find the article and read it, it's up to you to provide proof for your claims.
And your college has no scanner? Please... 😛
Oh, and it still calls him the most powerful, then goes on to explain a greater weapon. Power is always used to refer to ability and strength in the force
Bullshit, the text includes his intelligence related attributes as a weapon, as well as his combat related attributes, ergo, power in this sense doesn't mean purely combat prowess, it's a combination of different aspects of power.
Originally posted by Kadesh
And captain planet, do you even read the damm NEC? That should explain what LS said too, that palpatine was declared the strongest of the sith
The NEC is an in-universe source, therefor Palpatine being stated as the most powerful is nothing more than an opinion, from a nobody historian.
Also Kadesh, I notice that you've been saying, 'Have you even read [insert book name here]?' a lot recently. Kinda funny, considering the only SW related stuff you're read is off of wookiepedia.
Sexy, what is your purpose? What do you bring to this forum? Why are you here? 'Cause it seems that the only reason you come here is to troll with me every now and then. And at least if your insults were funny, It'd be entertaining for me, but now you're just boring me, so either debate, or go home.
Originally posted by Captain Planet
Sexy, what is your purpose? What do you bring to this forum? Why are you here? 'Cause it seems that the only reason you come here is to troll with me every now and then. And at least if your insults were funny, It'd be entertaining for me, but now you're just boring me, so either debate, or go home.
Lets review the facts
Me: Logical arguments some of the time
You: Logical arguments NONE of the time
Me: argue things for a reason
You: Biggest troll on this forum
You're a stupid kid who has no idea where to even start in a debate, so you troll this forum throwing out insults and a useless opinion, and then you wonder why you are the joke of this forum.