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Originally posted by capt it up
ya wiki a pritty crappy source of information.

Aagain that did not even prove your point. Like I said it not one area. In order to do what is said you need to hit many different point's. You should try talking to martial artist instead of using a crappy source that's wrong constantly.

I study martial art's styles and through what I have learned there is only one area that can allow a person to be KOed in a single point strike.

Every other attack that does this is many different attack's. ask Jadelightning if you wish he take martial art's that speacilize in pressure point fighting.

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Don't attack the source just because it doesn't help your case. You act like it was written by a two-year-old, and, as it gives many links and references to Martial Arts techniques later on, I would judge it to be written by a MA, someone with a special degree in human anatomy, etc.

Until you study every single MA technique, you have no place discrediting others' information simply because you haven't learnt that technique.

Further more, it did not say you needed to attack multiple places in a sequence. It simply listed multiple places that you COULD attack to achieve the same effect.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
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Don't attack the source just because it doesn't help your case. You act like it was written by a two-year-old, and, as it gives many links and references to Martial Arts techniques later on, I would judge it to be written by a MA, someone with a special degree in human anatomy, etc.

Until you study every single MA technique, you have no place discrediting others' information simply because you haven't learnt that technique.

Further more, it did not say you needed to attack multiple places in a sequence. It simply listed multiple places that you COULD attack to achieve the same effect.

go ask a amster of pressure point's how you Ko some one. It takes many different nerve hit to do so.

Wiki is worthless source. It written by any one. You only like it becuase it helps you case, but the fact is it not an official source and it wrong all the time.

would you like me to prove one of wiki many sections wrong? how about I prove the crocodile section ot be inaccurate? Would you like me to do so?

There to my knowledge is only one spot were you can be KOed ina single hit with a pressure point and that was one of the places you named. Other then that it takes many different hit's to do this.

Ok everyone calm down.

Here's the way I see it. There may in fact be only one KO pressure point that you or I could preform(I don't really know), but the fact that we're talking about a comic book means that the rules are a bit different. Things like chi and mysticism may be laughed at in regards to the "real world", but they're both very much present between the pages of a comic book. If it's written that Daredevil knows some exotic forgotten pressure point that doesn't coincide with the reality of the human anatomy, then he can do it. Real world physics take a back seat in instances like this.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok everyone calm down.

Here's the way I see it. There may in fact be only one KO pressure point that you or I could preform(I don't really know), but the fact that we're talking about a comic book means that the rules are a bit different. Things like chi and mysticism may be laughed at in regards to the "real world", but they're both very much present between the pages of a comic book. If it's written that Daredevil knows some exotic forgotten pressure point that doesn't coincide with the reality of the human anatomy, then he can do it. Real world physics take a back seat in instances like this.

but even DD does not Ko people with a single pressure point. People just assume he can, but he never really does it.

Originally posted by capt it up
go ask a amster of pressure point's how you Ko some one. It takes many different nerve hit to do so.

Wiki is worthless source. It written by any one. You only like it becuase it helps you case, but the fact is it not an official source and it wrong all the time.

would you like me to prove one of wiki many sections wrong? how about I prove the crocodile section ot be inaccurate? Would you like me to do so?

Again, I say, unless this master has learnt every technique ever devised, his word is not final.

Like it or not, we do not have forum rules for 'official sources' concerning martial arts or pressure points. Jadelightning is not an 'official source' either. 😐. And Wiki is far from worthless. It's good for a lot of information- however, due to technicalities, we cannot use it as proof in the Vs. forums.

I honestly could not care any less if some random wiki article is wrong. That logic equates to saying that if you ever got a math equation wrong, then therefore every single arithmetic operation you ever performed must have been false. 😬

EDIT: But, I'll back off. That's my opinion, though Goober is right, of course. It is a comic book.

Originally posted by capt it up
but even DD does not Ko people with a single pressure point. People just assume he can, but he never really does it.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Again, I say, unless this master has learnt every technique ever devised, his word is not final.

Like it or not, we do not have forum rules for 'official sources' concerning martial arts or pressure points. Jadelightning is not an 'official source' either. 😐. And Wiki is far from worthless. It's good for a lot of information- however, due to technicalities, we cannot use it as proof in the Vs. forums.

I honestly could not care any less if some random wiki article is wrong. That logic equates to saying that if you ever got a math equation wrong, then therefore every single arithmetic operation you ever performed must have been false. 😬

EDIT: But, I'll back off. That's my opinion, though Goober is right, of course. It is a comic book.

so a MA master is inccorrect but wiki right?

wiki useless it has ok information, but it all oppininated and wrong most of the time.

Like wiki said a croc would kill a tiger. inccorrect statment. I actaully have a lot of evidence that say's other wise.

Pressure point attack's are not normally a single attack , but many attack's. also there kinda hard to do and there real reaosn is so people no were the weak point's on other are.

also it not in comic book really.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well then that's understandable if he's never done it. I was just pointing out that we can't rule out an instance of him actually doing it because it conflicts with what would happen if you or I did the same maneuver.

but i see your point

Originally posted by capt it up
but even DD does not Ko people with a single pressure point. People just assume he can, but he never really does it.

Actually he has. Dozens of times. IIRC there is a scan floating around with him and Wolverine actually where he does it to some guard or something with Wolverine looking on

Originally posted by capt it up
so a MA master is inccorrect but wiki right?

wiki useless it has ok information, but it all oppininated and wrong most of the time.

Like wiki said a croc would kill a tiger. inccorrect statment. I actaully have a lot of evidence that say's other wise.

Pressure point attack's are not normally a single attack , but many attack's. also there kinda hard to do and there real reaosn is so people no were the weak point's on other are.

also it not in comic book really.

I didn't say a MA master is incorrect. If he says theres only one form, unless he knows every method, then all that means is he only KNOWS one form. Unless it is an expert on the human anatomy, or a MA master who knows every single method on earth, then they can't just discredit wiki because you think they're right.

False conclusion. Unless you take every single article on wiki, and prove that every one is >50% wrong, then the statement "it's wrong most of the time" is nothing but your opinion.

I don't care if one of wiki's articles says a hummingbird can kick the crap out of a blue whale. The logic that one misinformed article = all articles are misinformed is faulty logic.

Again, unless it's stated by someone who either knows all about the human anatomy or knows every single method for pressure point attacks on earth, that is an opinion.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Actually he has. Dozens of times. IIRC there is a scan floating around with him and Wolverine actually where he does it to some guard or something with Wolverine looking on

That was in the spot I mention.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I didn't say a MA master is incorrect. If he says theres only one form, unless he knows every method, then all that means is he only KNOWS one form. Unless it is an expert on the human anatomy, or a MA master who knows every single method on earth, then they can't just discredit wiki because you think they're right.

False conclusion. Unless you take every single article on wiki, and prove that every one is >50% wrong, then the statement "it's wrong most of the time" is nothing but your opinion.

I don't care if one of wiki's articles says a hummingbird can kick the crap out of a blue whale. The logic that one misinformed article = all articles are misinformed is faulty logic.

Again, unless it's stated by someone who either knows all about the human anatomy or knows every single method for pressure point attacks on earth, that is an opinion.

Yes and your's is an opinion made by some no faced person who hold's far less weight then a MA.

so really your article proves as much or even less becuase it just some random person saying it.

so really you just discredited your own source.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes and your's is an opinion made by some no faced person who hold's far less weight then a MA.

so really your article proves as much or even less becuase it just some random person saying it.

so really you just discredited your own source.

For all you know, it was written by an MA, or a human anatomy expert. Stop assuming all wiki articles are written by toddlers.

Even less then what? At least I've provided a source. You've done nothing then fail to discredit my source, give an opinion, and tell me to go ask Jadelightning. 😬

And no, I didn't.

The statement 'there is only one pressure point that causes blackout, and anyone else who says otherwise is wrong' is absolute, and therefore holds no weight until proven.

The statement 'these pressure points will cause blackout' is non absolute, and perfectly useable in a comic.

You're trying to use real life facts to disprove comic book feats. Gamora took Thing out with a pressure point. She didn't give him a brain shake.

And you're also ignoring the majority of my posts, and picking at what you feel you can.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
For all you know, it was written by an MA, or a human anatomy expert. Stop assuming all wiki articles are written by toddlers.

Even less then what? At least I've provided a source. You've done nothing then fail to discredit my source, give an opinion, and tell me to go ask Jadelightning. 😬

And no, I didn't.

The statement 'there is only one pressure point that causes blackout, and anyone else who says otherwise is wrong' is absolute, and therefore holds no weight until proven.

The statement 'these pressure points will cause blackout' is non absolute, and perfectly useable in a comic.

You're trying to use real life facts to disprove comic book feats. Gamora took Thing out with a pressure point. She didn't give him a brain shake.

And you're also ignoring the majority of my posts, and picking at what you feel you can.

First yoru assumign it was writtne by an MA. which it was not and you can not prove it was which makes it useless evidence.

If your evidence was from a realiable source then I ahve no problem with it. Yes there may be other pressure point area were one strike is enough to KO some one however wiki saying so mean's nothing. I rigth for wiki and many other's who really are nto expsert's on the crapp they right. I wote some of the animal section which I back with evidence from other source how ever msot of wiki is back by nothing.

I not trying to disprove comic evidence I am trying to tell epople that jsut becuase DD has used pressure point's that doe snot mean he can simply KO any one he chooses with a single attack. He only been shown to like 2 twice and both of the attack were placed in the same area and were accurate to the real world. How ever some people think he can hti any were and strike a nerve that will KO a person which is simply false.

Can't we all just get along? 😮

Oh yea, thats right. This is a comic book debate forum! 😠 DUH!

Originally posted by capt it up
First yoru assumign it was writtne by an MA. which it was not and you can not prove it was which makes it useless evidence.

Did I say it was written by an MA? No

Besides that, it's not up to me to prove anything. I don't have to 'prove' my source is right, you have to 'disprove' it.

Why? Because you have stated the absolute. You have stated there is only one blackout pressure point, and that Wiki is wrong about whatever is written there.

I said you were wrong, and gave you a source.

You have yet to prove ME wrong, and will only say that Wiki is crap, and Jadelightning is right.

Originally posted by capt it up
If your evidence was from a realiable source then I ahve no problem with it. Yes there may be other pressure point area were one strike is enough to KO some one however wiki saying so mean's nothing. I rigth for wiki and many other's who really are nto expsert's on the crapp they right. I wote some of the animal section which I back with evidence from other source how ever msot of wiki is back by nothing.

1. Until we get forum rules pertaining to MA and pressure points, whether something is a reliable source or not is a matter of opinion.

2. You have no PROOF that Wiki is wrong about everything they've ever said. You are claiming they are. Now prove it.

3. Again, you have no PROOF they are wrong about what they are talking about. You just assume they are because they posted on wikipedia

4. I don't care about the animal section. We're talking pressure points.

Originally posted by capt it up
I not trying to disprove comic evidence I am trying to tell epople that jsut becuase DD has used pressure point's that doe snot mean he can simply KO any one he chooses with a single attack. He only been shown to like 2 twice and both of the attack were placed in the same area and were accurate to the real world. How ever some people think he can hti any were and strike a nerve that will KO a person which is simply false.

For all you know, in comics, there may be ten billion different pressure points known only to certain people.

Now you're saying any time Daredevil did it he MUST have hit the spot you're supposedly talking about, because you study MA and jadelightning told you so.

No the reason I say DD hit's that spot is it actaully shown on pannel.

also supposedly? You your self named the dam spot.

Also how many times has DD Koed some one in a single pressure point shot?

There are many way's to KO people ore paralize them using different spot's anbd stanced in a certain seqence.

I ahve a source though you enver be able to get at it since it a video so I try and find in online source.

Originally posted by capt it up
No the reason I say DD hit's that spot is it actaully shown on pannel.

Is it stated?

Originally posted by capt it up
also supposedly? You your self named the dam spot.

Originally posted by capt it up
Also how many times has DD Koed some one in a single pressure point shot?

Originally posted by capt it up
There are many way's to KO people ore paralize them using different spot's anbd stanced in a certain seqence.

Originally posted by capt it up
I ahve a source though you enver be able to get at it since it a video so I try and find in online source.

Ok...

Do you have anything to disprove my source?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Is it stated?

Did they name the same spot on panel?

Repeatedly

I'm sure there are. There are also more then one way to achieve the same affect through a single point strike

Ok...

Do you have anything to disprove my source?

not yet since all I been finding is how to use a pressure point and what styles use it which is interesting, but useless to the arguement.

does it have to be stated? so if DD hit's an area on the buddy and it does not say pressure point then I guess it was not a pressure point.

so if DD has Koed people with pressure point in one hit then I would love to see at least 3 sources of him doing so since you said it happens all the time.