The Magus with the Incomplete IG vs. Emporer Joker
Which of these kooks had the most power? Who did the most Dmg?
In an all out battle who would in?
The Magus had an incomplete IG and wreaked havok every where.
The Joker who is severly less intelligent than the Magus who didn't even know how to use the power of the Mr. Mxy Imp, had 99% of Myx's power.
Originally posted by King Kandy
The Magus is 500 times smarter then Joker.While Jokers fuddling with what he should do, Magus will go back in time and prevent Joker from getting Mxy's power.
Yes but wasn't the Joker really much more powerful than the magus was? it kinda seems even. The magus has brains, but the joker had more power. right?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, maybe so.But Magus will use his power with so much greater ease then Joker, he'll lay a smack-down on Joker before he gets a grasp of the situation.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlIt doesn't matter if it was multi-versal, omniversal, or even micro-versal, what matters is, that the IG was shown second to LT.
What is to stop the joker from making himself genious lvl? With that much power, it's not like he would go down so fast that the magus gets a win. Besides, Mxy is multiversal in power while the IG is universal. An incomplete one would be a lil less effective. THe magus probably could get 5/5 due to the joker's sheer lack of universal genious.
Hell, the HOTU might even be universal, but look at how LT (multi-versal judge) fared against him.
I don't know who would win, probably Joker (since this is an incomplete IG), but I just wasnted to say that.
Originally posted by bigbran
It doesn't matter if it was multi-versal, omniversal, or even micro-versal, what matters is, that the IG was shown second to LT.Hell, the HOTU might even be universal, but look at how LT (multi-versal judge) fared against him.
I don't know who would win, probably Joker (since this is an incomplete IG), but I just wasnted to say that.
Really you put it all into a point I"m trying to make. This battle is just helping me flesh out those ideas better. But the Incomplete IG was never shown to be 2nd to the LT since the LT would have known that the IG was incomplete. The Magus was fooled and there for all of his accomplishments were a sham. We dont' even know what he really accomplished with the IG since it was a sham. He got screwed harder than the beyonder lol. The magus was retconned in the same damn story he came to glory in.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Really you put it all into a point I"m trying to make. This battle is just helping me flesh out those ideas better. But the Incomplete IG was never shown to be 2nd to the LT since the LT would have known that the IG was incomplete.
Joker's top feat was destroying ONE Universe and Remaking that same Universe.
Incomplete IG shut down the UN, a weapon that erases Universes like nothing.
And Warped TWO Universes.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Magus was fooled and there for all of his accomplishments were a sham. We dont' even know what he really accomplished with the IG since it was a sham. He got screwed harder than the beyonder lol. The magus was retconned in the same damn story he came to glory in.
Why are you saing these things without reading the Comic?
That's why it pisses me off.
The only thing Magus wasn't, was omnipotent,
everything else he did, HE DID!
Originally posted by Mr Master
Joker's top feat was destroying ONE Universe and Remaking that same Universe.Incomplete IG shut down the UN, a weapon that erases Universes like nothing.
And Warped TWO Universes.
Why are you saing these things without reading the Comic?
That's why it pisses me off.
The only thing Magus wasn't, was omnipotent,
everything else he did, HE DID!
How did he accomplish all of this without the reality gem. To warp reality, wouldn't he have needed the reality gem? And you can't use the Un feat since the UN is part of Galactus. Since the Un was a weaker version of itself at the time. The UN of that time was never said to have power to wipe out the multiverse. Only to destroy any intended target including even big g and the user. If you can show me in that time any were befoer that time, that the Un was multiversal, then ur point is valid. Until then, my point is the victor.
Originally posted by bigbran
It doesn't matter if it was multi-versal, omniversal, or even micro-versal, what matters is, that the IG was shown second to LT.Hell, the HOTU might even be universal, but look at how LT (multi-versal judge) fared against him.
I don't know who would win, probably Joker (since this is an incomplete IG), but I just wasnted to say that.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How did he accomplish all of this without the reality gem. To warp reality, wouldn't he have needed the reality gem?
Not at all.
He had the Time Gem (Eternity) and the Space Gem (Infinity) those two mixed with the Power Gem, is enough to warp the Universe.
Time and Space = Reality
The Reality Gem would have given him omnipotence, just below the Living Tribunal.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you can't use the Un feat since the UN is part of Galactus.
I don't understand this.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since the Un was a weaker version of itself at the time. The UN of that time was never said to have power to wipe out the multiverse. Only to destroy any intended target including even big g and the user.
Actually the Ultimate Nullifier erased an entire Universe from existence back in 1982, when Korvac used it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you can show me in that time any were befoer that time, that the Un was multiversal, then ur point is valid. Until then, my point is the victor.
The UN's ability to erase a Multi-verse was never confirmed before the Abraxas arc.
How ever, since back in the day, the UN can erase Universes, any Universe it's used on.
And Magus shunted that Universe destroying power like child's play.
Would that not indicate that at the very least, a Universe destroying power is nothing to an Incomplete IG?
Which would mean Joker would be nothing, since his maximum was depicted as destroying ONE Universe.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's actually a good point. DC fans are always saying that if Spectre's the one to get brought in to beat somebody, then that's an indication of power for the being in question. Well, only LT was able to beat the IG, so THAT'S how powerful it is.
There are different IG's. We have seen them in the what if's.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAh but SInce I have thus using circular logic proven that WOrld's funnest was cannon and the one and only mxy, myx's power trumps the incomplete IG. Also, The UN is a part of Big G. Big G has gained power. Thus so has the UN. The UN is not on the same lvl it was when the IG stopped it. Not even close.
Not at all.He had the Time Gem (Eternity) and the Space Gem (Infinity) those two mixed with the Power Gem, is enough to warp the Universe.
Time and Space = Reality
The Reality Gem would have given him omnipotence, just below the Living Tribunal.
I don't understand this.
Actually the Ultimate Nullifier erased an entire Universe from existence back in 1982, when Korvac used it.
The UN's ability to erase a Multi-verse was never confirmed before the Abraxas arc.
How ever, since back in the day, the UN can erase Universes, any Universe it's used on.
And Magus shunted that Universe destroying power like child's play.
Would that not indicate that at the very least, a Universe destroying power is nothing to an Incomplete IG?
Which would mean Joker would be nothing, since his maximum was depicted as destroying ONE Universe.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ah but SInce I have thus using circular logic proven that WOrld's funnest was cannon and the one and only mxy, myx's power trumps the incomplete IG. Also, The UN is a part of Big G. Big G has gained power. Thus so has the UN. The UN is not on the same lvl it was when the IG stopped it. Not even close.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What's your point? If DC bringing in Spectre is an indication of power, then the same should apply to Marvel's bringing in LT.
My point is that the IG was never considered the Multiversal power that some make it. Multi Eternity/infinity could care less about the IG. But yet it stops the UN which wipes away all? The IG is not more powerful than the Current UN.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
My point is that the IG was never considered the Multiversal power that some make it. Multi Eternity/infinity could care less about the IG. But yet it stops the UN which wipes away all? The IG is not more powerful than the Current UN.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The fact that it hasn't been specifically stated that the UN became more powerful with Big G, means that it becoming multiversal would be considered a recton, and that it was always multiversal.
Like the retcon from IC that shows all elseworld's tales to be in fact other universes. And since there is only one Mxy, his erasing the entire DCu multiverse and challenging the Spectre ( of which there is only one as well) is thus cannonized. Not that he actually really beat the spectre so much as hit him and ran.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Like the retcon from IC that shows all elseworld's tales to be in fact other universes. And since there is only one Mxy, his erasing the entire DCu multiverse and challenging the Spectre ( of which there is only one as well) is thus cannonized. Not that he actually really beat the spectre so much as hit him and ran.
