The Magus with the Incomplete IG vs. Emporer Joker

Originally posted by darthgoober
I hear you talk about that a lot, but I've never really inverstigated it for myself. So why don't you explain that occurance, and i'll give you my opinion on the matter. Remember, I'm not a big DC buff, so try to be as detailed as possible.

During IC, all of the Else World's tales were shown in the Infinite looking glass thingy. These else world's that we thought were just fun little stories actually were alternate timelines. They were merged into the even greater multiverse that existed before as those universes were shown as well to be part of SBP punching that crystal reality time chamber thingy. He ineffect recreated the DCU multiverse. Any ways, there is only one mr mxy. The imps were not affect by the Crisis as it was shown that there is only one set of imps. As higher dimension do not split into alternate realities. Since IC cannonized all the else world's tales, and there is only one set of Imps, the Multiversal power of erasing the DC omniverse would have to belong to mr. mxy. He even went so far as to erase the DCU animated and wipe the actual pages clean of the ink and words. That is pre retcon beyonder power if not more. SInce the beyonder was never shown doing anything like that. No one in comics has.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
During IC, all of the Else World's tales were shown in the Infinite looking glass thingy. These else world's that we thought were just fun little stories actually were alternate timelines. They were merged into the even greater multiverse that existed before as those universes were shown as well to be part of SBP punching that crystal reality time chamber thingy. He ineffect recreated the DCU multiverse. Any ways, there is only one mr mxy. The imps were not affect by the Crisis as it was shown that there is only one set of imps. As higher dimension do not split into alternate realities. Since IC cannonized all the else world's tales, and there is only one set of Imps, the Multiversal power of erasing the DC omniverse would have to belong to mr. mxy. He even went so far as to erase the DCU animated and wipe the actual pages clean of the ink and words. That is pre retcon beyonder power if not more. SInce the beyonder was never shown doing anything like that. No one in comics has.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If it hasn't been specifically covered that the UN is more powerful now than it was then, that means that it's not.

Ah but the UN is part of Galactus, And Big G has been shown to be more powerful and Important since then.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ah but the UN is part of Galactus, And Big G has been shown to be more powerful and Important since then.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ah but SInce I have thus using circular logic proven that WOrld's funnest was cannon and the one and only mxy, myx's power trumps the incomplete IG.

What does this have to do with Joker?

99% of Mxy's power in Joker's hands was only able to destroy ONE Universe, period.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also, The UN is a part of Big G. Big G has gained power. Thus so has the UN. The UN is not on the same lvl it was when the IG stopped it. Not even close.

Thanx for not addressing my point in the least, you simply tap danced around it.

Again:

The UN's ability to erase a Multi-verse was never confirmed before the Abraxas arc.

However, since back in the day, the UN can erase Universes, any Universe it's used on.

And Magus shunted that Universe destroying power like child's play.

Would that not indicate that at the very least, a Universe destroying power is nothing to an Incomplete IG?

Which would mean Joker would be nothing, since his maximum was depicted as destroying ONE Universe.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, did he take out the 6th through 10 dimensions also?

Those Dimensions operate on higher planes of power. Kinda like Marvel's True beyonders and the infinites. The Imps from each higher dimension operate on differnt lvls. They aren't 3 dimensional. He wasn't shown to, at least I don't remember him having that kind of power. Only to wipe out the 3rd Dimensional multiverse. To my knowlege only the Ultimator has that kind of power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Dimension operate on higher planes of power. Kinda like Marvel's True beyonders and the infinites. The Imps from each higher dimension operate on differnt lvls. They aren't 3 dimensional. He wasn't shown to, at least I don't remember him having that kind of power. Only to wipe out the 3rd Dimensional multiverse. To my knowlege only the Ultimator has that kind of power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ah but the UN is part of Galactus, And Big G has been shown to be more powerful and Important since then.

Where are you getting this information from, that Galactus's power has grown, along with the UN?

Originally posted by darthgoober
If he wasn't specifically powered up, then he was always that powerful also. We just didn't realize it.

He keeps saying that Galactus and the UN were boosted in power somehow, do you have any idea where he's getting that from?

Originally posted by Mr Master
What does this have to do with Joker?

99% of Mxy's power in Joker's hands was only able to destroy ONE Universe, period.

Thanx for not addressing my point in the least, you simply tap danced around it.

Again:

The UN's ability to erase a Multi-verse was never confirmed before the Abraxas arc.

However, since back in the day, the UN can erase Universes, any Universe it's used on.

And Magus shunted that Universe destroying power like child's play.

Would that not indicate that at the very least, a Universe destroying power is nothing to an Incomplete IG?

Which would mean Joker would be nothing, since his maximum was depicted as destroying ONE Universe.

Let's clear some things up. The IG was never shown even destroying or remaking one universe. Just altering. And I have no doubt that The Joker could have shunted the un's power back onto it self. WW blocked the OE and returned it back onto ds. Does this mean she or her bracelets are now more powerful than the OE? NOT. It's called redirecting energy. Hell even cannon ball did this to gladiator. Doesn't mean one is more powerful.

Also The Joker was only able to destroy the ONe DCu becuz for one, he doesn't know about the other universes, and two, mxy said that he could have did what joker did with ease. Joker didn't even understand mxy's power. So your point is null.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Where are you getting this information from, that Galactus's power has grown, along with the UN?

Um doesn't he eat? isn't he far more powerful now than when he first came out? In the old days, his death didn't signal the coming of abraxas. If the UN was so powerful in the old days, Then how come they didn't use it against the Beyonder?

One more point, Quasar says on panel that him using the UN would likely result in his death. NOt the Death of the Multiverse or even the universe. Which would mean that the UN must have some sort of subconcious control. That the user sets the limits of the power unleashed. Reed Purposely erased and recreated the MU to set things right.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One more point, Quasar says on panel that him using the UN would likely result in his death. NOt the Death of the Multiverse or even the universe. Which would mean that the UN must have some sort of subconcious control. That the user sets the limits of the power unleashed. Reed Purposely erased and recreated the MU to set things right.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, he DOES say that it could take out the universe.

But he wasn't aiming to take out the Universe. He was aiming for the Magus. This still doesn't show how the Ig would be able to beat mxy's power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's clear some things up. The IG was never shown even destroying or remaking one universe. Just altering.

Alter: "change or cause to change in character or composition"

Remake: "make (something) again or differently"

Huge difference.

Magus's Incomplete IG, remade TWO Universes, I don't know how many times I have to tell you.

Magus took TWO Universes and blended them together (that's remaking and altering, choose which ever)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I have no doubt that The Joker could have shunted the un's power back onto it self.

Without proof,

wonderful.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WW blocked the OE and returned it back onto ds. Does this mean she or her bracelets are now more powerful than the OE? NOT. It's called redirecting energy. Hell even cannon ball did this to gladiator. Doesn't mean one is more powerful.

Only Magus didn't redirect anything, Magus didn't even allow the energies of the UN pass the area of Quasar.

Redirection my foot, Magus controlled the power of the UN completely:

Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone

Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.

Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them, Absolute control..

Notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.

"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also The Joker was only able to destroy the ONe DCu becuz for one, he doesn't know about the other universes, and two, mxy said that he could have did what joker did with ease. Joker didn't even understand mxy's power. So your point is null.

This thread you made is of Magus vs Joker,

so what Joker was able to do, is all Joker can do here.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But he wasn't aiming to take out the Universe. He was aiming for the Magus. This still doesn't show how the Ig would be able to beat mxy's power.

how did that happen.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One more point, Quasar says on panel that him using the UN would likely result in his death. NOt the Death of the Multiverse or even the universe. Which would mean that the UN must have some sort of subconcious control. That the user sets the limits of the power unleashed.

Not at all,

the sphere of area affected can be controlled, but it's power is always the same.

In 2005, DC began Infinite Crisis, a DC-Universe-wide crossover and sequel to Crisis on Infinite Earths. Stories leading up to the main limited series contained scattered references and hints to the Multiverse (including the possibility that it could live again). These references included the character Donna Troy returning from the dead and remembering her varied origins on the various Earths and the revelation that the evil Dark Angel had been her counterpart from Earth-Seven as well as a mini-series involving Captain Atom being sent to the WildStorm Universe.

In the Infinite Crisis series itself, the Superman and Lois Lane of Earth-Two, Superboy of Earth-Prime, and Alexander Luthor Jr. of Earth-Three - all survivors of the Multiverse—reappeared, and the former existence of the Multiverse was explicitly acknowledged. Earth-Two was recreated in issue #4, un-populated except for Earth-Two heroes transported there.

In addition to this, worlds previously described only as Imaginary Stories or Elseworlds were revealed to in fact be universes within the Multiverse, as shown by the presence of Superman Red and Superman Blue from the Silver Age imaginary story, Superman Jr. and Batman Jr. from World's Finest stories of the 1970s, the Superman from the Elseworlds story Superman: Red Son, and the brief showing of an unnamed world inspired by Alan Moore's unfinished proposal "Twilight" with the "Superman Family", and Batman, Robin, and Wonder Woman in Aztec garb (this world was actually a combination of two other worlds, the sum of their numbers being 616, which might be a reference to the Marvel Comics universe, which is Earth-616).

Eventually, Alexander's plan was circumvented when his equipment was destroyed by Superboy (Kon-El, a.k.a. Conner Kent), resulting in all Earths re-merging into "New Earth". The effects of this transformation will be shown during the series 52 along with the "One Year Later" storyline.

This explains why Mxy is so powerful and why the joker with 99 percent of it would win. The Spectre isn't shown stopping the UN's power, but I have no doubt that he can. Mxy from world's funnest is shown to be equal or even superior to the Spectre is some aspects.

Originally posted by Mr Master
how did that happen.