Ultimate Nullifier vs. Infinity Gauntlet?

Okay, this may sound weird, but I was debating with this guy who said that the Ultimate Nullifier was more poweful than the Infinity Gauntlet, and I showed him the comic from Infinity War where the Magus easily defeated the UN using only an incomplete IG, but he said that he knew that already. However, he said that if Quasar had used the UN to target the universe itself, instead of the Magus specifically, the Magus wouldn't have been able to stop it and would have been killed.

Is there any truth to this?

No.

The IG>The UN

Originally posted by Galan007
No.

The IG>The UN

That is not true. There are other realities where the IG is complete and in full use. Yet those realities were destroyed as well when the UN was use to remake the Multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is not true. There are other realities where the IG is complete and in full use. Yet those realities were destroyed as well when the UN was use to remake the Multiverse.

even an Incomplete IG snuffed out the UN...

Originally posted by Galan007
what are you talking about?

even an Incomplete IG snuffed out the UN...

Yeah in what if issues, we are shown OTHER IG's. There is only ONE UN. or two if youcount the one Korvac used to destroy his universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yeah in what if issues, we are shown OTHER IG's. There is only ONE UN. or two if youcount the one Korvac used to destroy his universe.

IG>UN

No matter where you aim at with the UN, an Incomplete IG will control the energies before they are even released.

So imagine a full blown IG.

Originally posted by Mr Master
IG>UN

No matter where you aim at with the UN, an Incomplete IG will control the energies before they are even released.

So imagine a full blown IG.

Before they are released. Lets see the IG atually take a blast from the Un and absorb it or deflect it. Then you got an Ig that is more powerful than the UN. Until then, You just have an IG that did a pre=emptive stike before the UN was actually fired.

IG controls all cosmical forces, the wielder of the gauntlet don't want the UN to work, and it don't.

Maybe the more appropriate line of thinking is to wonder if the Infinity Gauntlet's bearer were to be hit by the full brunt of the UN's energies, what would occur? Would he and the Gauntlet be ultimately nullified or survive unscathed?

And in the reverse, what would happen if the Infinity Gauntlet's bearer were to wish the non-existence of the UN away through the Reality Gem? What would occur? Would the UN be subject to the whims of reality or is it a constant of pure existence that could never be utterly destroyed?

I've seen Adam Warock exist and operate outside the IG's influence, so the idea that the UN operating in a similar manner is not a foreign concept to me. Now with reference to the Quasar scan... just because I'm a Sentinel and can shut off Magneto's power, does not make me more powerful per se, than Magneto. In fact, such a supposition would be absurd. I just found a way around Magneto. Same way Black Alice stole Spectre's power in 'Day of Vengeance.' Just because she made Spectre's power her plaything doesn't equate to her being more powerful than Spectre. So anyway... I don't think any answer is forthcoming and 'Infinity War' looked at in this light is inconclusive but swings towards the IG's dominance. Personally, I think Jim Starlin creams his pants with his invention of the IG and considers the UN to be boring. Meh.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Before they are released. Lets see the IG atually take a blast from the Un and absorb it or deflect it. Then you got an Ig that is more powerful than the UN.

WE have an IG and an Incomplete IG that is more powerful than the UN.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Until then, You just have an IG that did a pre=emptive stike before the UN was actually fired.

That's where your wrong.

The UN was fired, the UN released it's Energies and Magus controlled them completely.

Magus controlled the Energies as they came out of the UN, that's why I said before they were even released.

Originally posted by Mr Master
WE have an IG and an Incomplete IG that is more powerful than the UN.

That's where your wrong.

The UN was fired, the UN released it's Energies and Magus controlled them completely.

Magus controlled the Energies as they came out of the UN, that's why I said before they were even released.

He did not control the energies. He could have swapped Quasars place with the space gem and put him in the way of the blast. He could have twisted space around so that the blast actually blasted back on itself. He had the mind gem so he knew what quasar was going to do. When The UN is activated to destroy the Multiverse, and the IG actually stops it from happening, or is shown taking a blast from the UN and shaking it off or absorbing it, then it is superior to the UN. Until then, all of ur wishing the IG was superior is speculative. Actuallly I can do you one better. Eternity in the SINGULAR didn't want the Ig to be used in conjuction becuz the wearer of the guantlet would take HIS place in the hierarchy of the Universe. PERIOD. HIS place and HIS ONLY.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Maybe the more appropriate line of thinking is to wonder if the Infinity Gauntlet's bearer were to be hit by the full brunt of the UN's energies, what would occur? Would he and the Gauntlet be ultimately nullified or survive unscathed?

Probably the same thing that happened to him when all the Cosmics attacked him at once, followed by Eternity, the power of the Universe, who also attacked Thanos with everything he had and lost like a child.

Alternate IGs seem to be destructible, like the one Surfer had, in the end Surfer put his IG in self destruct mode.

The 616 IG has never been destroyed, and the Gems had to be dispersed, instead of obliterated.

Again, showing me that Alternate IGs are not as powerful as the 616 IG.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And in the reverse, what would happen if the Infinity Gauntlet's bearer were to wish the non-existence of the UN away through the Reality Gem? What would occur? Would the UN be subject to the whims of reality or is it a constant of pure existence that could never be utterly destroyed?

The UN would be erased if the IG wanted.

When Korvac used it to erase an Alternate Universe, that UN seemed to be erased aswell.

When Morg released it's Energies inside Big G's Ship, it was seemingly erased there too.

When Galactus used it, it wiped itself out.

Galactus can use it like Darkseid's OE.

and Reed used it to erase and create a new Multi-verse.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Now with reference to the Quasar scan... just because I'm a Sentinel and can shut off Magneto's power, does not make me more powerful per se, than Magneto. In fact, such a supposition would be absurd. I just found a way around Magneto. Same way Black Alice stole Spectre's power in 'Day of Vengeance.' Just because she made Spectre's power her plaything doesn't equate to her being more powerful than Spectre. So anyway... I don't think any answer is forthcoming and 'Infinity War' looked at in this light is inconclusive but swings towards the IG's dominance. Personally, I think Jim Starlin creams his pants with his invention of the IG and considers the UN to be boring. Meh.

I don't know the details behind Alice's case, or this Sentinel.

I do know that a character with a Universal Consciousness, Cosmic Awareness, fired a weapon that releases Energies that ERASE Universes like nothing, and those Energies that erase Universes was controlled like a child's toy by an Incomplete IG.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Probably the same thing that happened to him when all the Cosmics attacked him at once, followed by Eternity, the power of the Universe, who also attacked Thanos with everything he had and lost like a child.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Alternate IGs seem to be destructible, like the one Surfer had, in the end Surfer put his IG in self destruct mode.

The 616 IG has never been destroyed, and the Gems had to be dispersed, instead of obliterated.

Again, showing me that Alternate IGs are not as powerful as the 616 IG.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The UN would be erased if the IG wanted.

When Korvac used it to erase an Alternate Universe, that UN seemed to be erased aswell.

When Morg released it's Energies inside Big G's Ship, it was seemingly erased there too.

When Galactus used it, it wiped itself out.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know the details behind Alice's case, or this Sentinel.

I do know that a character with a Universal Consciousness, Cosmic Awareness, fired a weapon that releases Energies that ERASE Universes like nothing, and those Energies that erase Universes was controlled like a child's toy by an Incomplete IG.

I don't believe that is correct. It flies in the face of obviousness in the Black Alice case and is too convenient on your part. I could for conveniency's sake conclude that, since the UN destroyed and recreated the entire Multiverse and the IG only created and duplicated one universe, the UN is greater through simple on-panel feat. However, that ignores the crux of the debate. Personally, I see the UN literally and completely nullifying the Infinity Gems from existence and they wouldn't come back. However, the UN would come back from the IG wishing it away, because we've seen the UN always come back. Your response?

Protege could beat the living tribunal.

Does that mean Protege is stronger then LT? No.

The IG>UN

It would be interesting to see an UN wielder vs one with the IG. Won't happen because of the ruling by the ommipotent Living Tribunal

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're suggesting that Eternity, the power of the Universe is cimparable to the UN. If that is the case, then you're contradicting yourself. We've seen what the UN does to Multi-Eternity.

Your saying they are comparable, NOT me.

I said, "SAME THING that happened to Thanos"

What happened to Thanos when he was attacked?

Nothing, (that's what would happen ... Nothing)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you want us to take Reed Richards' words literally where he states everything was ended. Does that not presuppose that the Infinity Gems were also ended?

Like I told you already, There are NO Gautlet's FORMED, NONE, NADA!!

SO the Universes that do have Gems, perhaps those Gems are destroyed when said Universe is destroyed.

But STOP comparing the Infinity GEMS, with the Infinity GAUNTLET, two completely DIFFERENT sets of Power.

ONLY the Living Tribunal has been able to stand up to the 616 Infinity Gauntlet.

and there have been ONLY TWO other Universes where Infinity Gauntlets have appeared, and they were WEAKER Gauntlets at that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You were a strong proponent of taking Reed Richards words literally, because you needed to show a destruction and subsequent creation of all existence rather than a mere manipulation of existencve to prove that the threat of Abraxas took precedence over the threat of Parallax.

hum

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So you need to explain to me what your position is. Does everything there mean literally everything, or everything excluding the Infinity Gems? The latter appears to be what you're suggesting and seems awfully convenient.

Because your still stuck on there are Infinity Gems in every Universe, plus they have formed Gauntlets too.

NOT every Universe has Infinity Gems.

and ever since the Living Tribunal spoke his judgement, there have been NO Gauntlets ANYWHERE.

And as for those Universes that do have atleast the Infinity Gems, well ...the Gems on their own are microscopic in power vs the Gauntlet they form.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I thought you had pointed out that the UN always reappears.

Don't know what your talking about.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Are you suggesting that in any of those instances, that the UN was wiped from existence?

I never seen the UN lingering around after a Universe was rubbed out by it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Clearly it keeps reappearing.

Clearly it does not.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Clarifying my point, UN energies hit IG bearer. Does he get ultimately nullified? If so, does he simply reappear again?

No.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And the reverse position, IG bearer wishes the UN to be wiped from existence utterly. Does it disappear? If so, does it simply reappear again?

No.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So by your logic, which is quoted directly above, making one's power your own plaything presupposes dominance.

Yes.

If Black Alice can do that, then without PIS she can kill Spectre, and that's that.
So yes, she is more powerful than Spectre. (Unless there's a catch your not telling me)

IG made the UN it's b*tch.

IG>UN

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't believe that is correct. It flies in the face of obviousness in the Black Alice case and is too convenient on your part.

If Black Alice can steal Spectre's power, and then ravage Reality with it including Spectre, then she is more powerful than Spectre.

If she can steal his power but do nothing with it, it's a bunch of PIS and not worth discussing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I could for conveniency's sake conclude that, since the UN destroyed and recreated the entire Multiverse and the IG only created and duplicated one universe, the UN is greater through simple on-panel feat. However, that ignores the crux of the debate.

The crux of the matter is that an INCOMPLETE IG owned the UN, after the UN was fired.

There's no getting around that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Personally, I see the UN literally and completely nullifying the Infinity Gems from existence and they wouldn't come back. However, the UN would come back from the IG wishing it away, because we've seen the UN always come back. Your response?

Well first I disagree, and secondly where are you getting this UN coming back thingy?

When Korvac erased a Universe the UN was erased aswell.

When Galactus erased a Universe the UN was erased aswell.

When Morg released it's Energies within Galactus's Ship, the UN was erased.

Oh and btw, the 616 Infinity Gems were in the Ultraverse (a Universe within another Multi-verse) by the time Reed remade the Prime Multi-verse.

"I must retrive the Infinity Gems before the Portal closes"

"I failed to keep the Infinity Gems from falling into this New Universe" (the Ultraverse, which is within a separate Multi-verse.

The Infinity Gauntlet has ONLY been seen in TWO other Universes beside 616, the Impossible Man had a Gauntlet and lost it to Galactus. (Impossible Man couldn't eve create a Planet with this IG)

And Surfer had one and destroyed it with the same Gauntlet. (Eternity never noticed Surfer with this IG)

The 616 IG has never been destroyed.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The Infinity Gauntlet has ONLY been seen in TWO other Universes beside 616, the Impossible Man had a Gauntlet and lost it to Galactus. (Impossible Man couldn't eve create a Planet with this IG)

And Surfer had one and destroyed it with the same Gauntlet. (Eternity never noticed Surfer with this IG)

The 616 IG has never been destroyed.

YOu know your completely wrong. That entire book showed that the Imp man's IG was as powerful as the 616's. That is why they didnt' want him to have it. He was destroying Solar system's with stray thoughts. Your trying to lessen the fact that there is more than one IG. You are tatking your rather subjective view of that story to further your own goal of establishing this hierarchy that you have set in order to appear the difinitive go to guy on all things marvel. I'm not buying it. You do realize that that alternate timeline was the SAME damn IG plit into two. that is why it was an alternate timeline. NOt a differnt entire reality.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu know your completely wrong. That entire book showed that the Imp man's IG was as powerful as the 616's.

Go ahead and PROVE it dogs, don't just come out your face without a shred of evidence, expecting others to take your word on it.

In The Impossible Man's case it's an extremely WEAKER version of the IG

Here Impossible Man RUNS away from the Cosmics with the Infinity Gauntlet...Surfer even warns him about Eternity....

Again...this really demonstrates how weak this OTHER Infinity Gauntlet is.

Here Impossible Man makes a deal with Galactus to help him Re-create his home world...and Silver Surfer is worried because Eternity is coming...who will crush Impossible Man and his Gauntlet.

Here after Galactus Re-created Impossible Man's world... IM. actually bargained the Gauntlet for this.....because he couldn't even Re-create a Planet.

Do your research buddy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is why they didnt' want him to have it. He was destroying Solar system's with stray thoughts.

Untrue.

Impossible Man NEVER once in that issue blew up a Solar System, a Galaxy or even a Planet for that matter.

Silver Surfer said, he COULD destroy a Galaxy, but Impossible Man NEVER did it.

Funny how he COULDN'T even create a Planet though.

And even destroying a Galaxy is nothing with what you could accomplish with the 616 IG.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your trying to lessen the fact that there is more than one IG. You are tatking your rather subjective view of that story to further your own goal of establishing this hierarchy that you have set in order to appear the difinitive go to guy on all things marvel.

Well, if you can SHOW anyone a moment when,

Impossible Man "was destroying Solar system's with stray thoughts" as YOU said,

(Instead of an Imp that couldn't even create a SINGLE Planet)

OR

where in the,

"entire book showed that the Imp man's IG was as powerful as the 616's" as YOU said,

(Instead of an Imp that was running for his life from Eternity throughout the ENTIRE book, and finally couldn't even create a single Planet)

You may have something, UNTIL then,

Don't tell me I'm taking any,

"rather subjective views of ANY story to further ANY goals"...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not buying it.

Inconsequential.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that that alternate timeline was the SAME damn IG plit into two. that is why it was an alternate timeline. NOt a differnt entire reality.

Not true,

In Marvel not all Realities/Universes are exactly the same.

Again, research before striking.

There are Universes, MANY Universes where the IG doesn't exist for whatever reason.

Here are 9 Alternate Universes within the Prime Multi-verse:

These are different (Alternate) Earths in different (Alternate) Universes, as you can see sometimes the Fantastic Four don't even have powers, they are entirely different Realities, with different outcomes in their History.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Go ahead and PROVE it dogs, don't just come out your face without a shred of evidence, expecting others to take your word on it.

In The Impossible Man's case it's an extremely WEAKER version of the IG

Here Impossible Man RUNS away from the Cosmics with the Infinity Gauntlet...Surfer even warns him about Eternity....

Again...this really demonstrates how weak this OTHER Infinity Gauntlet is.

Here Impossible Man makes a deal with Galactus to help him Re-create his home world...and Silver Surfer is worried because Eternity is coming...who will crush Impossible Man and his Gauntlet.

Here after Galactus Re-created Impossible Man's world... IM. actually bargained the Gauntlet for this.....because he couldn't even Re-create a Planet.

Do your research buddy.

Untrue.

Impossible Man NEVER once in that issue blew up a Solar System, a Galaxy or even a Planet for that matter.

Silver Surfer said, he COULD destroy a Galaxy, but Impossible Man NEVER did it.

Funny how he COULDN'T even create a Planet though.

And even destroying a Galaxy is nothing with what you could accomplish with the 616 IG.

Well, if you can SHOW anyone a moment when,

Impossible Man "was destroying Solar system's with stray thoughts" as YOU said,

(Instead of an Imp that couldn't even create a SINGLE Planet)

OR

where in the,

"entire book showed that the Imp man's IG was as powerful as the 616's" as YOU said,

(Instead of an Imp that was running for his life from Eternity throughout the ENTIRE book, and finally couldn't even create a single Planet)

You may have something, UNTIL then,

Don't tell me I'm taking any,

"rather subjective views of ANY story to further ANY goals"...

Inconsequential.

Not true,

In Marvel not all Realities/Universes are exactly the same.

Again, research before striking.

There are Universes, MANY Universes where the IG doesn't exist for whatever reason.

Here are 9 Alternate Universes within the Prime Multi-verse:

These are different (Alternate) Earths in different (Alternate) Universes, as you can see sometimes the Fantastic Four don't even have powers, they are entirely different Realities, with different outcomes in their History.

You do realize you are hurting your own case. this entire argument you present no where shows that that IG was weaker. It only shows that the Impossible man lacked the intelligence to correctly use the IG. you lose. Also, the reason Eternity wanted the IG is the same, It was a threat to his sovereingty. If it wasn't then why would big G want to hurry and get it out of the hands of the Populan if it was so weak? I just love the way you can use subjective scans to prove your point. The same guantlet shows The Imp man destroying a solarsystem by accident with a stray thought