Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He said all that cause he comics. You didn't and that's why it's taking you forever to say what he's saying. Now read your comics.
I asked the same type questions. I asked how come the IG didn't just redirect the energies. I stated the same exact thing. As a matter of fact, i'll go find it. Now you stop being an mean to me.
I'm bumping this thread, because the cosmic debators seem to be at odds with each other about "IG vs UN," once again. This comparison has clogged up various threads and has even caused more threads to be birthed. So let's confine the argument here, and try to prevent the derailing of other threads. Here's a summary of my position why I have always believed "UN > IG":
1) The "IG > UN" idea almost completely hinges on the interpretation that the IG redirected the energies of the UN. On its face, this looks good. But this by itself, cannot be a reason why one should conclude dominance. Simply put, the same rationale would have you conclude that "Black Alice > Spectre." And if you believe that, well then... I just feel sorry for you.
2) Even if you are willing to conclude that "Black Alice > Spectre," the UN has destroyed and recreated the very foundation and source of the IG's power (the separated Infinity Gems themselves), which is a greater comparable feat than the IG redirecting energies back at a UN wielder anyway. Even if you were to argue against the interpretation of what happened in the Abaraxas storyline as a foundation that the Infinity gems were destroyed and recreated, Magus himself believed the UN would destroy him and the Infinity Gems when he first detected Quasar aiming it at him. He was clearly panicking.
3) The IG still has not shown any feat on par with the UN's destruction and recreation of the entire Marvel Multiverse. This is really the simplest reduction of the argument and is particularly unassailable. In the presence of various disputes and arguments, this is the only thing everybody can agree on. IG on-panel, has done nothing comparable witht he scope of the UN's greatest on-panel feat. And since many debates and comparisons have been resolved through comparing "best on-panel feat" vs "best on-panel feat," this is a very strong basis to conclude that the "UN > IG."
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm bumping this thread, because the cosmic debators seem to be at odds with each other about "IG vs UN," once again. This comparison has clogged up various threads and has even caused more threads to be birthed. So let's confine the argument here, and try to prevent the derailing of other threads. Here's a summary of my position why I have always believed "UN > IG":1) The "IG > UN" idea almost completely hinges on the interpretation that the IG redirected the energies of the UN. On its face, this looks good. But this by itself, cannot be a reason why one should conclude dominance. Simply put, the same rationale would have you conclude that "Black Alice > Spectre." And if you believe that, well then... I just feel sorry for you.
2) Even if you are willing to conclude that "Black Alice > Spectre," the UN has destroyed and recreated the very foundation and source of the IG's power (the separated Infinity Gems themselves), which is a greater comparable feat than the IG redirecting energies back at a UN wielder anyway. Even if you were to argue against the interpretation of what happened in the Abaraxas storyline as a foundation that the Infinity gems were destroyed and recreated, Magus himself believed the UN would destroy him and the Infinity Gems when he first detected Quasar aiming it at him. He was clearly panicking.
3) The IG still has not shown any feat on par with the UN's destruction and recreation of the entire Marvel Multiverse. This is really the simplest reduction of the argument and is particularly unassailable. In the presence of various disputes and arguments, this is the only thing everybody can agree on. IG on-panel, has done nothing comparable witht he scope of the UN's greatest on-panel feat. And since many debates and comparisons have been resolved through comparing "best on-panel feat" vs "best on-panel feat," this is a very strong basis to conclude that the "UN > IG."
Bravo.
Not much interest apparently in tackling my arguments. A single PM has been sent to what I believe is an interested party. I give him a week or so. I may send out others, because I did notice a lot of claims in other threads. They appear to have auspices of debating fire in them. Til then, the silence speaks.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Since you seem to enjoy sending out somewhat demeaning messages to users,
Not much interest apparently in tackling my arguments. A single PM has been sent to what I believe is an interested party. I give him a week or so. I may send out others, because I did notice a lot of claims in other threads. They appear to have auspices of debating fire in them. Til then, the silence speaks.
I'll throw you a bone, but this will be my last post in this thread..... As I do not wish to continue this debate, or stroke your ego in any way, shape, or form.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The IG controlled the UN's energies entirely, and turned them back on Quasar.
2) the UN has destroyed and recreated the very foundation and source of the IG's power (the separated Infinity Gems themselves), which is a greater comparable feat than the IG redirecting energies back at a UN wielder anyway. Even if you were to argue against the interpretation of what happened in the Abaraxas storyline as a foundation that the Infinity gems were destroyed and recreated
It had TOTAL control over those energies period. A user of the UN could never harm an experienced user of the IG, based on panel evidence.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yeah, Magus was "clearly panicking" before the IG was in working order, for obvious reasons.
Magus himself believed the UN would destroy him and the Infinity Gems when he first detected Quasar aiming it at him. He was clearly panicking.
After the IG was working again, Magus didn't fear the UN whatsoever, because..... Well, he knew that he had the superior weapon.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Besides the IG controlling the energy of the UN itself, you're right.
3) The IG still has not shown any feat on par with the UN's destruction and recreation of the entire Marvel Multiverse.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0IMO the "best panel feat" is the Incomplete IG's feat, of completely controlling the UN's energies.
IG on-panel, has done nothing comparable witht he scope of the UN's greatest on-panel feat. And since many debates and comparisons have been resolved through comparing "best on-panel feat" vs "best on-panel feat," this is a very strong basis to conclude that the "UN > IG."
Since an Incomplete IG was shown to have TOTAL control over the energy of the UN, there is no real way to think that a wielder of the UN could harm a user of the IG, based on panel evidence..
Why?
Because an Incomplete IG has total control over the UN's energies, based on panel evidence.
Again, this will be my last post in this thread, as I do not want to debate the same exact points for 20+ pages, which will inevitably go nowhere.
Originally posted by Galan007So then it's nice to see that you believe that "Black Alice > Spectre," since she controlled his powers enitrely during 'Day of Vengeance.' I didn't think people would be so stupid to accept this kind of logic. But apparently, you do.
Since you seem to enjoy sending out somewhat demeaning messages to users,I'll throw you a bone, but this will be my last post in this thread..... As I do not wish to continue this debate, or stroke your ego in any way, shape, or form.
The IG controlled the UN's energies entirely, and turned them back on Quasar.
It had TOTAL control over those energies period. A user of the UN could never harm an experienced user of the IG, based on panel evidence.
Originally posted by Galan007Read the scan again. He refers to the UN as the ultimate weapon, not his IG. He characterized it as such when he had the IG in working order. Any response? I'm pretty sure you don't.
Yeah, Magus was "clearly panicking" before the IG was in working order, for obvious reasons.After the IG was working again, Magus didn't fear the UN whatsoever, because..... Well, he knew that he had the superior weapon.
Originally posted by Galan007This is exactly why I've restarted this thread. Because in almost every cosmic debate, the IG comes up. And people continue to believe it was multiversal. These same people believe it was multiversal because it turned the UN on it's own wielder. Every single theory that streches from this assertion is completely based on a "Black Alice > Spectre" rationale. Absurd. Utterly.
Besides the IG controlling the energy of the UN itself, you're right.IMO the "best panel feat" is the Incomplete IG's feat, of completely controlling the UN's energies.
Originally posted by Galan007Since the UN erased and recreated the entire marvel Multiverse, and the IG has done nothing even near that scope, there is no real way to think the IG is on the same level as the UN based on panel evidence.
Since an Incomplete IG was shown to have TOTAL control over the energy of the UN, there is no real way to think that a wielder of the UN could harm a user of the IG, based on panel evidence..Why?
Because an Incomplete IG has total control over the UN's energies, based on panel evidence.
Again, this will be my last post in this thread, as I do not want to debate the same exact points for 20+ pages, which will inevitably go nowhere.
If you believe the IG reversing the UN on Quasar works, then you believe like a fool that "Black Alice > Spectre." And for that, I either call you a complete idiot, or you're a hypocritical muppet, since you use one standard to conclude one instance in your favor and not for any others that clearly show why the standard is stupid. Hypocrisy. Pure and utter hypocrisy. You phail, and it's not just because you decide to ninja-post and run, it's because you can't own up to the hypocrisy in this thread yet continue to foster it in every other thread you hope I haven't read.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So then it's nice to see that you believe that "Black Alice > Spectre," since she controlled his powers enitrely during 'Day of Vengeance.' I didn't think people would be so stupid to accept this kind of logic. But apparently, you do.
Read the scan again. He refers to the UN as the ultimate weapon, not his IG. He characterized it as such when he had the IG in working order. Any response? I'm pretty sure you don't.
This is exactly why I've restarted this thread. Because in almost every cosmic debate, the IG comes up. And people continue to believe it was multiversal. These same people believe it was multiversal because it turned the UN on it's own wielder. Every single theory that streches from this assertion is completely based on a "Black Alice > Spectre" rationale. Absurd. Utterly.
Since the UN erased and recreated the entire marvel Multiverse, and the IG has done nothing even near that scope, there is no real way to think the IG is on the same level as the UN based on panel evidence.If you believe the IG reversing the UN on Quasar works, then you believe like a fool that "Black Alice > Spectre." And for that, I either call you a complete idiot, or you're a hypocritical muppet, since you use one standard to conclude one instance in your favor and not for any others that clearly show why the standard is stupid. Hypocrisy. Pure and utter hypocrisy. You phail, and it's not just because you decide to ninja-post and run, it's because you can't own up to the hypocrisy in this thread yet continue to foster it in every other thread you hope I haven't read.
Your argument is very logical and the same one that I and other's have brought up.
Originally posted by Galan007
Since you seem to enjoy sending out somewhat demeaning messages to users,I'll throw you a bone, but this will be my last post in this thread..... As I do not wish to continue this debate, or stroke your ego in any way, shape, or form.
The IG controlled the UN's energies entirely, and turned them back on Quasar.
It had TOTAL control over those energies period. A user of the UN could never harm an experienced user of the IG, based on panel evidence.
Yeah, Magus was "clearly panicking" before the IG was in working order, for obvious reasons.
After the IG was working again, Magus didn't fear the UN whatsoever, because..... Well, he knew that he had the superior weapon.
Besides the IG controlling the energy of the UN itself, you're right.
IMO the "best panel feat" is the Incomplete IG's feat, of completely controlling the UN's energies.
Since an Incomplete IG was shown to have TOTAL control over the energy of the UN, there is no real way to think that a wielder of the UN could harm a user of the IG, based on panel evidence..
Why?
Because an Incomplete IG has total control over the UN's energies, based on panel evidence.
Again, this will be my last post in this thread, as I do not want to debate the same exact points for 20+ pages, which will inevitably go nowhere.
i agree.
good job galan. thumbup
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Originally posted by Mordum
Maybe 2 at most but i dont think that would be considered multi.
It was Three actually with an Incomplete IG.
Multi means more than One.
Anyways,
the biggest showing for the Complete IG,
is that only the LT stood a chance against it.
LT the secong most powerful entity in Marvel.
LT who holds Megaverses in one Hand.
