Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pulled from the other thread:
I am recognizing that Reed has used the UN to its highest potential that we have seen so far. I am not speculating as to whether resetting the Marvel Multiverse is the highest potential of the UN possible. I am arguing against such speculation because it is unnecessary to make a qualitatively comparative analysis. This is the same reason that I won't engage in speculation about whether conquering the 616 universe is the highest potential of the IG possible.As for the rest of your argument, you continually ignore your use of a double-standard. Because it's fact that Nebula w/ IG completely failed to detect Adam Warlock. It's also fact that Thanos w/ IG completely failed to hurt Maelstrom bonded with Anomaly.
So do you hold the power/scope of the [b]IG
itself accountable for Nebula's personal failure against Adam Warlock? In other words, you consider that the IG's lack of power is to blame for that failure, because it was weaker than Adam Warlock? Well? Do characterize that incident as: Adam Warlock pwns IG?So do you hold the power/scope of the IG itself accountable for Thanos' personal failure against Maelstrom w/ Anomaly? In other words, you consider that the IG's lack of power is to blame for that failure, because the IG was weaker than Maelstrom? Well? Do characterize that incident as: Maelstrom pwns IG?
Personally, I think such conclusions are ludicrous. Just because Nebula failed to detect Adam Warlock and Thanos failed to hurt Maelstrom does not necessitate a leap of logic to conclude that Adam Warlock or Maelstrom are more powerful than the IG. The reason is simple, because when you discard such inane logic, we know for a fact from qualitative comparison: IG wielders have accomplished far more than either Adam Warlock or Maelstrom have accomplished on-panel.
And:
UN resets Multi-Eternity on-panel.
IG conquers 616 Eternity on-panel.Multi-Eternity as he appeared in Abraxas > 616 Eternity as he appeared in Infinity Gauntlet.
Therefore UN > IG. [/B]
Yet again you failed to address my point...
Wasn't it shown on panel and we both agree.. Quasar was a newb using the UN and Magus had also just gotten the INCOMPLETE IG?
So, therefore what was shown on panel is with two users who aren't versed in using their weapon the IG was shown superior? Therefore, a complete IG with a compotent user to it's fullest potential as KMC rules specifiy, should certainly be more then enough to deal with the UN. It has many possible wasy to win as you already said and has as already has on panel.
Incomplete IG beat the UN on panel therefore,
a complete IG certainly would do the same.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0that's actually a really good point. reed and presumably galactus are the best suited for wielding the UN, quasar was scared shitless even holding the thing, and had to quantum jump to a intergalactic repository of knowledge (university of rus, owned by the possessor) to even understand what he was even holding in his hands.
^ Except you ignore that an adept user of the UN reset the entire Marvel Multiverse, whereas an adept user of the IG conquered the 616 universe.Bottom-line is, you wish to equivocate the simple idea of comparing feats while ignoring everything else in favor of BA > Spectre logic. That = phail.
in the right hands the UN is potentially the most powerful weapon in the universe, in the wrong hands the user simply erases themselves from existence.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Then I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase your question?
Because if the gems can, then there isn't a power issue here at all.
What good is a gun to you if all the bullets go right through you rather than the one you're going to gun down?
Originally posted by AstnerIf the gems can, then there isn't a power issue. You did assume your conclusion. You're attempting to approach this issue with a facile maneuever, by diverting the true inquiry of the matter and reframing the argument in an extremely narrow, yet fallacious way: if one artifact/character can manipulate the other artifact/character, this must presume that the former has a greater overall scope of power than the other.
If the gems have the potency to control whatever forces are emitted from the nullifier. Why wouldn't they have the power to bend similar forces from cosmic beings?Because if the gems can, then there isn't a power issue here at all.
What good is a gun to you if all the bullets go right through you rather than the one you're going to gun down?
That's the fallacy. Because manipulation doesn't presume superiority in scope. It's the same Black Alice > Spectre argument.
Let's approach your argument from the other direction. The converse of your logic is that had the Ultimate Nullifier and its nullification energies been completely unaffected by the IG, then that presumes that the UN is superior in scope right? This is your logic, perfectly extrapolated.
Now apply that logic to IG vs Maelstrom. Hmph. Guess since Maelstrom was completely unaffected by the IG, then that presumes that Maelstrom is superior in scope to the IG, eh? Answer this question, yes or no.
I await your reply. 😐
^ The scope of the UN's power knows no bounds. biscuits But in all seriousness:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Well look, I personally don't doubt your sincerity here. But if you want to discuss it more, I still don't understand your position. You think nullifying one atom requires a certain amount of power... and nullifying two atoms requires twice that certain amount of power... right?Then what about nullifying a marble that is made of 10 billion atoms... and nullifying an extremely dense marble that is made of 100 trillion atoms? They're the same size. So?