Punisher and Nick Fury vs Wolverine and Sabretooth · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It be nice if you would prove statements instead of simply make them.

Yea I know because I can't prove it. 🙄 Why on earth would I think Sabes and Wolverine are smarter? Shit you're asking me to prove that Nick Fury the Fing director of Shield a master tactician is smarter than a feral mutant ie Sabes. facepalm

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I know because I can't prove it. 🙄 Why on earth would I think Sabes and Wolverine are smarter?

just like you can't prove 95% of your statements.

why on earth would you think there not as smart, especially wolverine?

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
just like you can't prove 95% of your statements.
why on earth would you think there not as smart, especially wolverine?

Whatever

Stupid question, I edited my post.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Shit you're asking me to prove that Nick Fury the Fing director of Shield a master tactician is smarter than a feral mutant ie Sabes. facepalm

No I am asking for you to prove Punisher is smarter then wolverine.

Fury is not currently the director of shields.

How does being feral make on less intelligent?

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No I am asking for you to prove Punisher is smarter then wolverine.

Well hes tactically superior. Don't feel like it might get around to at some point though but I don't particularly feel like wasting my time with you.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Fury is not currently the director of shields.

Nah really, missed the point.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

How does being feral make on less intelligent?

It doesn't, you just missed the point.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Well hes tactically superior. Don't feel like it might get around to at some point though but I don't particularly feel like wasting my time with you.
Nah really, missed the point.
It doesn't, you just missed the point.

prove it. cop out as usual.

No I dident.

again no I dident, your point was simply stupid.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Because they're both smarter than Wolverine and Sabes and have crap loads of resources?

No they're not.

And both Wolverine and Sabretooth have access to loads of resources on their own.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
No they're not.

Ok why do you say that? By the way smarter = tactics, not raw intelligence.

Originally posted by jinzin

And both Wolverine and Sabretooth have access to loads of resources on their own.

CIS is on what are the chances of them using resources, when they don't 90% of the time?

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok why do you say that? By the way smarter = tactics, not raw intelligence.
CIS is on what are the chances of them using resources, when they don't 90% of the time?

90% of the time they don't have fury coming after them........and they are aware of it.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
90% of the time they don't have fury coming after them........and they are aware of it.

Absolutely, there aren't lots of examples of people hunting them and not using tech.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Absolutely, there aren't lots of examples of people hunting them and not using tech.

Both have utilized tech spanning decades. As member of team x they regularly used firer arms. When Wolverine fought Gorgon he has intangibility suit, tp blockers ect. When Wolverine went after hell firer club he used guns and bombs ect.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok why do you say that? By the way smarter = tactics, not raw intelligence.

How are either of these guys lacking in tactics?
Either one of them have been in more goverment and non sanctioned tactical squads than Fury or Punisher combined.
Wolverine shouldn't even be up for question, but Sabretooth, the guy played the entire weapon X orginization for fools for years, and consistently picks his opponents apart after accurately assessing strengths and weaknesses during the heat of battle.

Wolverine's given him plenty of credit there to.

It's fine if you're of the opinion that Nick and Frank are smarter here for some reason, but there isn't much/any? credible evidence to support it.

Originally posted by Deadline
CIS is on what are the chances of them using resources, when they don't 90% of the time?

if CIS is on and they know who's coming for them it's likely they will snipe or stealth Frank or Fury before the "fight" ever starts, especially given the advantage of their senses.
90% of the time are drop of the hat comic fights.. how often do the scenarios like the one stated here come up?

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lets see 2 guys with guns comming after 2 guys who can sense them know where they are miles away and actually have healing factors.... i just dont know man

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
How are either of these guys lacking in tactics?
Either one of them have been in more goverment and non sanctioned tactical squads than Fury or Punisher combined.

I'm not saying they're lacking in tactics they're just not as good. That doesn't prove anything that liks arguing Thor is better at Cap in h2h because he has more experience.

Originally posted by jinzin

Wolverine shouldn't even be up for question, but Sabretooth, the guy played the entire weapon X orginization for fools for years, and

Well for starters he got captured by them. I've read part of that series you might have to elaborate.

Originally posted by jinzin

consistently picks his opponents apart after accurately assessing strengths and weaknesses during the heat of battle.

You could say the samething about Cap, Pun gunned him down.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's given him plenty of credit there to.
It's fine if you're of the opinion that Nick and Frank are smarter here for some reason, but there isn't much/any? credible evidence to support it.
if CIS is on and they know who's coming for them it's likely they will snipe or stealth Frank or Fury before the "fight" ever starts, especially given the advantage of their senses.
90% of the time are drop of the hat comic fights.. how often do the scenarios like the one stated here come up?

Jinzin Wolverine and Sabretooth aren't sniping anybody. Please don't give me rare examples of Wolverine and Sabes using guns when they don't 90% of the time.

How are they going to stealth them? Nicky Fury was hunted by SHIELD and the skrulls and was never caught, so Wolverine + Sabretooth > Skrulls + SHIELD? Punisher has actually been able to stay hidden from Dr Doom who was actively hunting him. I could give more but I'll stop here.

What do you mean how many times do these scenerios come up? These two get hunted all the time and they don't use tech. Also it doesn't have to be restricted to be hunted, if you think its normal for them to use tech while being hunted theres no reason why they can't use them in other circumstance, they don't.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not saying they're lacking in tactics they're just not as good. That doesn't prove anything that liks arguing Thor is better at Cap in h2h because he has more experience.
Well for starters he got captured by them. I've read part of that series you might have to elaborate.
You could say the samething about Cap, Pun gunned him down.

Isn't that just an opinion?
All I'm suggesting is that there are plenty of reasons to think that they would be as good or better at tactics.
Sabretooth being captured by Weapon-X wasn't a tactical issue, he just got surprise attacked by people he thought were employers. Punisher's never been taken by surprise?
If you want to talk about tactics let's do that. Sabretooth used tactics to play weapon x, omega red, and LD for fools at the same time.

Originally posted by Deadline
Jinzin Wolverine and Sabretooth aren't sniping anybody. Please don't give me rare examples of Wolverine and Sabes using guns when they don't 90% of the time.
How are they going to stealth them? Nicky Fury was hunted by SHIELD and the skrulls and was never caught, so Wolverine + Sabretooth > Skrulls + SHIELD? Punisher has actually been able to stay hidden from Dr Doom who was actively hunting him. I could give more but I'll stop here.
What do you mean how many times do these scenerios come up? These two get hunted all the time and they don't use tech. Also it doesn't have to be restricted to be hunted, if you think its normal for them to use tech while being hunted theres no reason why they can't use them in other circumstance, they don't.

"90% of the time" involves drop of the hat fist fights, not proper scenarios where they know about an oncoming enemy, or go out to fight an enemy they've prepared for. In comics, under that type of scenario:
Sabretooth uses guns (sniper rifles), explosives, and tech when he's doing assassin work.
Wolverine sets up ambushes.
Wolverine gotten the jump on Iron Man when he knew Iron Man was coming.
Sabretooth's gotten the jump on Wolverine. Ambushing either Nick or Punisher when they know these guys are coming after them isn't a stretch of the imagination.