Uru vs. Admantium

nah, i think he was just drained in that one. may have been a blast. i'm thinking of a different one, but i think it may actually have been non-canon. i don't think it was a what if, maybe something like marvel adventures or another book like that.

How would Thor's hammer go against Antarctic vibranium?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yo watever so u accept that teh hammer is harder but not more durable overal? then whats other aspects o durablity where u think adamatiums harder then? 😕

You still don't get it. A material does not need to be harder to cause damage, least not when swung with a great amount of force. I'm not sure why you are misunderstanding this.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yur sources r irelevent. prove em relevent. lol

They were just to show you that even though I used different words, my meaning was the same. Disprove them if you can, but they are relevant as long as you insist "broken" =/= "shattered" to a large degree.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yaeh but adamantiums never been thru that stuff 2 begin wiht (been badly pwn3d by Magneto tho hoho!)
hey guess wut Hercules hammer never been damage ever ever so by ur logic that make it harder then everythin else right? 😱 and its suppose to be Thor hammer equal
💃

Which is why it is difficult, if not impossible to draw an exact comparison. Being manipulated by Magneto isn't surprising, as it counts as molecular manipulation. Nothing changes the fact that Adamantium has never been sundered by non-cosmic physical force.

As far as Hercules' mace goes, 1) No Limits Fallacy, 2) Adamantine is supposed to be similar to adamantium, which was a homage to the former.

To be honest, if you're still going to play the PIS card with regards to Ultron, Thor has never damaged adamantium after its first appearance in Avengers #66, despite having hit Ultron plenty of times with Mjolnir. Perhaps we should count the exception as the PIS incident instead of the norm?

Originally posted by Ouallada
You still don't get it. A material does not need to be harder to cause damage, least not when swung with a great amount of force. I'm not sure why you are misunderstanding this.

They were just to show you that even though I used different words, my meaning was the same. Disprove them if you can, but they are relevant as long as you insist "broken" =/= "shattered" to a large degree.

Being manipulated by Magneto isn't surprising, as it counts as molecular manipulation. Nothing changes the fact that Adamantium has never been sundered by non-cosmic physical force.

As far as Hercules' mace goes, 1) No Limits Fallacy, 2)

Adamantine is supposed to be similar to adamantium,

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh . . . not sure why i'd expect anything different, but that's wrong too . . .

thor's hammer has been BROKEN several times. adamantium has been slightly DENTED twice. which is more impressive? AND ultron survived a blast from galactus. but he's probably not a cosmic . . . 🙄

Originally posted by Ouallada

To be honest, if you're still going to play the PIS card with regards to Ultron, Thor has never damaged adamantium after its first appearance in Avengers #66, despite having hit Ultron plenty of times with Mjolnir. Perhaps we should count the exception as the PIS incident instead of the norm?

Which is why it is difficult, if not impossible to draw an exact comparison.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
your the one who dont understand its not fact that it cause damage its fact that it DONT get damage aswell. its a colision its not like ones cuttin the other or somethin

When a straw gets driven into a tree or windshield, it suffers no damage either. Straw > Tree? Patently not. It isn't a collision either. It is material A striking material B. For your scan to be anywhere near conclusive, adamantium needs to strike Mjolnir too.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
edit what i mean is its symetric (1:1 colision)

No idea what you are saying but read above.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
your the one insist that broken=dent

Read properly. I will not backtrack to indulge your lack of comprehension any more.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
its magnetic (Magneto cant manip non metal) but w/e

So, it's magnetic. Point?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
dint u just say theres diferent aspect to durablity? 😛

Sure. When it comes to metaphysical resistances, I could see enchanted Uru doing better.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if he can manipulate it it mean the bond or w/e between the molecules (kinda what makes somethin tough) aint strong enuff to resist. but hes never done same thing to hammer (he only move it)

No, it means that Magneto has complete control over ferromagnetic substances.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wut

It's spelt "what". Now go do your research.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
adamantines the original

And this has to do with adamantium and uru how?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
no its just wierd that Thor w hammer hit less hard then Hulk with fist esp. when Hulk aint even that pissed lol
[/B]

Hulk damaged Ultron once. If you're trying to say that Thor hits harder than the Hulk, start a H2H thread or bump one. So, you still claiming PIS for the times Thor failed to damage Ultron? I would love to play that game.

Originally posted by Ouallada
When a straw gets driven into a tree or windshield, it suffers no damage either. Straw > Tree? Patently not. It isn't a collision either.

It is material A striking material B. For your scan to be anywhere near conclusive, adamantium needs to strike Mjolnir too.

No idea what you are saying but read above.
Read properly.
I will not backtrack to indulge your lack of comprehension any more.

So, it's magnetic. Point?

Sure. When it comes to metaphysical resistances, I could see enchanted Uru doing better.

No, it means that Magneto has complete control over ferromagnetic substances.

It's spelt "what". Now go do your research.

And this has to do with adamantium and uru how?

Hulk damaged Ultron once. If you're trying to say that Thor hits harder than the Hulk, start a H2H thread or bump one. So, you still claiming PIS for the times Thor failed to damage Ultron? I would love to play that game.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah thats point it aint colision (its piercin like cuttin, not symetric w one object smaller then the other, pressure = force/surface & all that)
A & B gotta be same size for good comparison (like hammer vs caps sheild, sheild is thick iirc)

That 1)still does not address the point that harder objects CAN and HAVE been damaged by softer objects and 2) it is impossible to find control situations in comics.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
as for adamantium strikin hammer, nope: if A strike B then its exacly same as B strike A or A & B colide

Not in comics, obviously. Otherwise, Hulk would never be able to damage the Surfer. Any being below Superman in durability would not be able to punch him without breaking a fist in comics. In real fights, ungloved fists often break on impact with an opponent. See that happening often in comics?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
i ment: me right, u wrong 😛

The ugly toad thinks himself handsome too. Now, refute the point or concede it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
its magneto
metaphysical? u mean magical? supenatural? 🤨
magneto powers aint metaphysical

I meant anything transcending science as we know it. Which includes magic. Unless complete control of the EM spectrum and derived abilities falls within current science, Magneto's abilities fall within the metaphysical too. No matter, I can see enchanted Uru doing better against such attacks.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope not complete else he could of liquify hammer too (or caps sheild, see i agree im not sure if he can do it to caps sheild either. IMO he can but we dunno 4 sure)

As I said, I can see the hammer doing better against such techniques. Which means absolutely nothing in the scheme of this discussion, which is about durability.

Defined here:

1. Capable of withstanding wear and tear or decay

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
k. that fallacys been use thru entire topic by yur side o debate too ("adamatium never been seen destroy by non-cosmic attack there4 it cant be destroy by any non-cosmic attack". haha)

Go ahead. Quote me on where I said that since adamantium has never been physically destroyed by non-cosmic forces, it cannot be damaged by non-cosmic forces.

Big difference between saying that since Herc's mace has not been damaged and thus has infinite durability as from here:

hey guess wut Hercules hammer never been damage ever ever so by ur logic that make it harder then everythin else right

and saying that Mjolnir has been cleaved or destroyed (which are far larger degrees of damage than dents) by less than the cosmic forces that have done the same to adamantium.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lets see aint Hercules hammer & Thor hammer suppose to be equal? and since Hercs hammer never been broken, just usin YOUR line o reasonin 😄

If you actually were able to follow my line of reasoning, you wouldn't say something as stupid as that. Supposed to be equal? 1) Has no bearing on this discussion, and 2) isn't Sentry supposed to have the power of a million exploding suns?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
no u prefer playin the no limit falacy game lol. im jus sayin if Thor w hammer hits less then Hulk with fist (and less hard then other versions of Thor) then i dont care 4 Busieks version o Thor 😮‍💨

Sure, then I don't care about the instance in which adamantium was damaged by Thor. That instance was PIS.

Character levels fluctuate. Deal with it.

Yo.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
And just how did mega doom break mjolnir?? I have not seen it a scan would be great if you had it.

gotta come clean here: having gone back & re-read SW 11 & 12, it turns out I was wrong on Mjolnir having been dmg'd by Mega Dooms blast........it was only Caps shield.

gomen nasai.

Tazer

Originally posted by Ouallada
That 1)still does not address the point that harder objects CAN and HAVE been damaged by softer objects and 2) it is impossible to find control situations in comics.

Not in comics, obviously. Otherwise, Hulk would never be able to damage the Surfer. Any being below Superman in durability would not be able to punch him without breaking a fist in comics. In real fights, ungloved fists often break on impact with an opponent. See that happening often in comics?

The ugly toad thinks himself handsome too. Now, refute the point or concede it.

I meant anything transcending science as we know it. Which includes magic. Unless complete control of the EM spectrum and derived abilities falls within current science, Magneto's abilities fall within the metaphysical too. No matter, I can see enchanted Uru doing better against such attacks.

As I said, I can see the hammer doing better against such techniques. Which means absolutely nothing in the scheme of this discussion, which is about durability.

Go ahead. Quote me on where I said that since adamantium has never been physically destroyed by non-cosmic forces, it cannot be damaged by non-cosmic forces.

and saying that Mjolnir has been cleaved or destroyed (which are far larger degrees of damage than dents) by less than the cosmic forces that have done the same to adamantium.

If you actually were able to follow my line of reasoning,

you wouldn't say something as stupid as that. Supposed to be equal? 1) Has no bearing on this discussion, and 2) isn't Sentry supposed to have the power of a million exploding suns?

Sure, then I don't care about the instance in which adamantium was damaged by Thor. That instance was PIS.

Character levels fluctuate. Deal with it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if its 1 on 1 colision then the least durable of the 2 is damaged 1st

Grass/straw is still not harder than glass, and they do collide when winds drive the former into the latter. Guess which breaks?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

o right not in comics 🙄 never seen karate guy break conrete with fists?
fists=flesh. like the "water cuttin metal" exemple you mention earlier. dont count. when it come to solid object then u can compare

Thanks for reiterating and illustrating my point. Less durable objects can damage more durable objects in comics when they strike the latter. Otherwise, Hulk would NEVER be able to damage SS. Superman would never be damaged by less durable characters like WW. When a being which is less durable than Superman strikes him, it is a collision by your logic, no? By your logic:

if A strike B then its exacly same as B strike A or A & B colide

Superman would only be damaged if the striker is more durable, otherwise the latter would suffer damage instead. This is blatantly not true in comics.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
burden of proof yours your the one who start it & havent even proved it 😄

This is what you said when I gave you not one, but three definitions showing that "broken" has the same approximate meaning as "shattered", on which you moan:

u sure dont need help 4 cheatin lol

Your claim, your burden of proof. I expect a concession soon.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
magnetos no more > science then galactus. its just super advance. show ANYWHERE where it says hes > science, or mystical or w/e. galactus use science only yet his stuff is way more impressive then magneto aint it

I'm not saying he is > science. I am saying his abilities are beyond current physics, which is true. If you like, you can show me where current scientists can do half the things he does. A forcefield, for instance.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
right hammer resisting being pull apart aint durablity 🙄 lol
anyway hammer pwns in other form of durablity too

Not by the quoted definition. Gonna try to disprove a dictionary again?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ok maybe not u but the other guy w/e

Then I would appreciate it if you stop accusing me of being illogical.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
less? so destroyer beam & hit from other gods weapons is less then punch from hulk? lol

Sigh.

From me:

and saying that Mjolnir has been cleaved or destroyed (which are far larger degrees of damage than dents) by less than the cosmic forces that have done the same to adamantium.

Read properly, please. We won't want you making wrong accusations again.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
theres the prob your not reasoning 😄

The crude buffalo does not understand Mozart's subtleties.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah hes suppose to (but Hulk is suppose to be no limit if your referin 2 their fight). whats that gotta do with topic?

Because you claimed that Herc's mace is supposed to = Mjolnir. That was to show that suppositions are dangerous.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
oh yeah great so your prety much sayin debate is useless then 😕

Sarcasm.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
um in dat case your sayin its impossible to compare the 2 lol. whats the point ifn this topic then? [/B]

Saying that just because Thor or Hulk damage adamantium once does not mean they can be assumed to consistently do so. In fact, from the rest of Thor's feats against Ultron, it is a more logical assumption to say that he consistently cannot do so.

Originally posted by Ouallada
[B]Grass/straw is still not harder than glass, and they do collide when winds drive the former into the latter. Guess which breaks?

Thanks for reiterating and illustrating my point. Less durable objects can damage more durable objects in comics when they strike the latter. Otherwise, Hulk would NEVER be able to damage SS. Superman would never be damaged by less durable characters like WW. When a being which is less durable than Superman strikes him, it is a collision by your logic, no? By your logic:

Superman would only be damaged if the striker is more durable, otherwise the latter would suffer damage instead. This is blatantly not true in comics.

This is what you said when I gave you not one, but three definitions showing that "broken" has the same approximate meaning as "shattered", on which you moan:

Your claim, your burden of proof. I expect a concession soon.

I'm not saying he is > science. I am saying his abilities are beyond current physics, which is true. If you like, you can show me where current scientists can do half the things he does. A forcefield, for instance.

Not by the quoted definition. Gonna try to disprove a dictionary again?

Then I would appreciate it if you stop accusing me of being illogical.

Read properly, please. We won't want you making wrong accusations again.

The crude buffalo does not understand Mozart's subtleties.

Because you claimed that Herc's mace is supposed to = Mjolnir. That was to show that suppositions are dangerous.

Saying that just because Thor or Hulk damage adamantium once does not mean they can be assumed to consistently do so.

In fact, from the rest of Thor's feats against Ultron

, it is a more logical assumption to say that he consistently cannot do so.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
thats not colision when one pierce the other cuz its way smaller (no symetry or somethin)

Grasping at straws. Brilliant. I guess since Thor's hammer is smaller than Exitar's dome, we do not count it as a "collision" and remove it as a feat? Otherwise, no cigar. Grass can still pierce glass windshields and lamp posts.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

i said only when 2 solid objects so flesh dont count no more then water
see ^ flesh dont "break"

Course not. Take a look at your hand. What do you call the carpals, metacarpals and phalanges? Has WW hurt Superman? Check. Is Superman more durable? Check. Does comic book writing use Newton's third law msot of the time. Uncheck.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

see thats point i dont gve a flying **** about "shatter" (why not disinegrate or pulverize wile your at it lol)

Well, seeing as you were crying like a child about it, you do care about it. Seeing as you don't have any counterpoint, I'm just going to take it as though you accept the definitions.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yo claim, i expect apology soon 💃

Which I proved. Which you can't disprove. Good luck.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah but hes not > marvel science 😛 (if your gonna bring in RL then no such thing as adamatnium or mjolnir or caps sheild could of even existed lol)

Because doing stuff like creating a metal alloy is acceptable by science today. Enchanting metal, or creating forcefields, are not. In any case, I'll not discuss semantics further.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

wut dictinary? u didnt try google 4 sure (they give many diffrent defs so yo gonna have headache tho 😄)

TheFreeDictionary and Dictionary.com both give the same definitions.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

hey u guys say allmost same things so its simpler if i do as if im speakin 2 a collective (like the borg, u know 😄) dang hope u dont mind it just make it easier for me 🙁

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Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah and from me:
sa0ying that adamantium has been broken by less than the cosmic forces that have done the same to mjolnir
so back 2 u 😄

When you quote yourself make sure you have at least iterated the quoted phrase once.

Look for the prior definitions of "broken" which I have provided. According to those definitions, adamantium has NOT been broken. Mjolnir has been cleaved and sundered by non-cosmic forces. Adamantium has never suffered the same degree of damage (as I have said, being cleaved into two or sundered are far greater extents of damage than dents or hairline fractures) from non-cosmic entities.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

so u think their not equal?

So you think Sentry has the power of a million exploding suns?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

once is enuff unless U claim PIS 😛

Superman fights random villain twenty times. Superman wins 19. Guess which incident is likelier to be PIS? SUperman winning 19 or random villain winning one?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

k but then u gotta accept that Thor WITH HAMMER hit less hard then Hulk with bear fists

Neither Hulk nor Thor has damaged Ultron consistently. I have no idea where nor why you came up with this.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Grasping at straws. Brilliant. I guess since Thor's hammer is smaller than Exitar's dome, we do not count it as a "collision" and remove it as a feat? Otherwise, no cigar.

Grass can still pierce glass windshields and lamp posts.

Course not. Take a look at your hand. What do you call the carpals, metacarpals and phalanges? Has WW hurt Superman? Check. Is Superman more durable? Check.

Well, seeing as you were crying like a child about it, you do care about it. Seeing as you don't have any counterpoint, I'm just going to take it as though you accept the definitions.

Which I say I proved. Which you can't disprove. Good luck.

Because doing stuff like creating a metal alloy is acceptable by science today. Enchanting metal, or creating forcefields, are not. In any case, I'll not discuss semantics further.

TheFreeDictionary and Dictionary.com both give the same definitions.

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Look for the prior definitions of "broken" which I have provided. According to those definitions, adamantium has NOT been broken.

Mjolnir has been cleaved and sundered by non-cosmic forces. Adamantium has never suffered the same degree of damage (as I have said, being cleaved into two or sundered are far greater extents of damage than dents or hairline fractures) from non-cosmic entities.

So you think Sentry has the power of a million exploding suns?

Superman fights random villain twenty times. Superman wins 19. Guess which incident is likelier to be PIS? SUperman winning 19 or random villain winning one?

Neither Hulk nor Thor has damaged Ultron consistently. I have no idea where nor why you came up with this.

thats not colision when one pierce the other cuz its way smaller (no symetry or somethin)

hysterical

so the straw strikes the tree and it is NOT a collision?? how about a pool cue when it strikes the white ball? is THAT a collision? a car when it hits a much larger tree? no "symmetry or somethin"? 😂

i love how you are literally REDEFINING WORDS in this thread . . .

god bless you kid, you're priceless . . . 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
hysterical

so the straw strikes the tree and it is NOT a collision?? how about a pool cue when it strikes the white ball? is THAT a collision? a car when it hits a much larger tree? no "symmetry or somethin"? 😂

i love how you are literally REDEFINING WORDS in this thread . . .

god bless you kid, you're priceless . . . 🙂

btw this the rite topic so we better contnue there from now:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t504508.html 😎

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
i ment its not GOOD colision there u go ^^

😂

there is no 'good or bad' collisions (unless you're in the car when it hits the tree i guess . . . .) there are only COLLISIONS. and just because you don't LIKE things that are collisions, doesn't make them NOT collisions. good grief . . .

contd in my topic 😎

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lol hammers nowhere as thick as the dome. nice try dood 😄

So they need to be of equal thickness too? Since you say that, prove that the adamantium Thor hit was as thick as or thicker than Mjolnir. What does this say about Thor's feats against Ultron, as Ultron's armour is thinner than Mjolnir? Give up on your attempts to define a collision the way you want.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

uh thats debatable but w/e

That's not the point. Going by the assumption that Superman IS more durable, WW will never be able to damage him. She has and will continue to do so. Newton's third law rarely applies in comics.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

lol counter to what? your cheatin & u make yur own standerd so big deal. hey while were at it ima choose liquify instead of shatter, there we go adamantiums been liquify by non-cosmic force but never hammer so the u go 💃 see its to easy
fixed 😄

Nope, I am using pre-defined standards from dictionaries. You are the one whining over semantics, and not doing a good job at doing so.

Sure, adamantium has been liquified by Magneto, but then and again the definition of durability does not take that into account. The statement is still "Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

huh all this time u been sayin adamantiums mystical (thats basicaly what u been sayin) somethin like thats impossible too

Don't be silly. Mysticism can be counted as part of metaphysics, but metaphysics does not necessarily equate to mysticism. In short, no. The only one claiming anything is mystical here is you.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

1st def in google (princeton) dont give same def 😄

Princeton is a university, and unlike Cambridge, for instance, does not have a lexicon published.

Cambridge gives:

able to last a long time without becoming damaged

Websters gives:

1. Permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force;

For all intents and purposes, the definitions are highly similar.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
its star trek thing 😛

I know. Wasn't really well done, though.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah yur defnitions 😂

Not mine. Those of dictionaries. If you like, refute the credibility of those sources. Otherwise, stop whining and accept the inevitable.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

no but its been broken by way less then non-cosmic forces wich of never been show 2 damage mjolnir (hulk)
btw adamantiums never be test against those non-cosmic force yur talkin about so why u even mentionin it lol

1) Cleaved and sundered >>> dents in the grand scheme of damage, 2) Newton's third law does not apply in comics for the most part, 3) a blast furnace in Pittsburgh is able to reshape Mjolnir.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

depend if hes been show 2 have it. guess not. on toher hand mjolnir vs mace showins show dat their in same league (ok your gonna jump @ "show" so ima say "suggest vrey stronly"😉

I don't debate semantics unless forced to. Just because they were stated to be equal means little, even if the mace has some similar properties and has resisted Mjolnir. The mace still has nothing to do with this topic.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

owell dat case ima leave out those xtremly rare case where hammers been damage by non-cosmic forces. u gotta hav it both ways huh 💃

Except that adamantium has been shown to be able to decisively withstand Thor every time he came up against Ultron, except for that single time in the lab. You don't claim PIS in Perrikus' case because there are no control situations.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

your the one who say it

Quote me. When you can't, I expect an apology once again for having words put into my mouth.

=> my thread