Uru vs. Admantium

Originally posted by leonidas
thor still had the OF in that battle against ironman and cap. it's not in the respect thread anywhere i could find.

i have no idea what doom scans you're talking about. 😕

some posted saying Doom has destroy/damaged mjolnir but as far as i know he only stole it and was trying to harness its power

Anyway the whole point of this is that enchanted uru has only been damaged thru magical mean Adamanitum has been dented from the scan"a dent is a dent and then Maneto rearranged its molecues. So that why imo Enhanted Uru is greater

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Yes he had the ODinpower in that fight but in the reigning he didn't

you just said he DIDN'T have the odinpower when he destroyed the shield, now you're saying he did. least you got it right in the end . . .

some posted saying Doom has destroy/damaged mjolnir but as far as i know he only stole it and was trying to harness its power

don't remember that . . .

Anyway the whole point of this is that enchanted uru has only been damaged thru magical mean Adamanitum has been dented from the scan"a dent is a dent and then Maneto rearranged its molecues. So that why imo Enhanted Uru is greater

that's also inaccurate. molecule man destroyed mjolnir i think, and magneto has affected it in the same way he affected the shield. perrikus also cut the hammer in half, as has the destroyer (and it wasn't his disintegrator that did it, it was blasts from his hands) and thor's own godblast was also enough to destroy the hammer.

in contrast the odinpower has destroyed the shield and the beyonder has done the same. the odinpower blast (contrary to what you'd like to believe) is non-canon as it is an ALTERNATE future, so really only the beyonder--the most powerful being in MU history--has destroyed it.

by feats and history, shield>hammer

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The enchanted Asgardian metal vs the man made, god metal, Adamantium.

Which is more valuable and more durable?

* more valuable and durable all in all (including enchantments) -> uru...

* raw, physical durability -> adamantium...

It's worth noting that when Reece unmade Mjolnir alongside Cap's shield, he was a lot more impressed by the shield's makeup than Mjolnir upon remaking the items he dispersed. Perrikus has definitely sliced Mjolnir into two. The battle against Exitar also left Mjolnir in pieces. The Destroyer, well, destroyed Mjolnir. Mjolnir was also destroyed and damaged in battle against some storm giants and Bor respectively.

While the debate here isn't between Cap's shield and Mjolnir, ignoring OF Thor, we have the shield only being damaged/destroyed by Thanos/IG, PR Reece and Doom/PR Beyonder. Even when counting OF Thor, OF Thor > Destroyer, and Mjolnir was destroyed by the latter, which is inferior to OF Thor, meaning that using Thor's feats against the shield count for little here.

On the topic of Uru, the metal has some lower feats as well. Thor carved a replacement for Mjolnir with his bare hands. Uroc's right hand was destroyed after being frozen by liquid nitrogen and shot. On the other hand, adamantium has survived meteoric impacts in the near absolute-zero temperatures of space, amongst countless other incidents of durability.

In my opinion, Cap's shield > Primary adamantium > Enchanted Uru.

Originally posted by leonidas
you just said he DIDN'T have the odinpower when he destroyed the shield, now you're saying he did. least you got it right in the end . . .

I said when he destroyed the sheild and logan he didn't have it

When he dented the sheild he did have it. 🙄

don't remember that . . .

that's also inaccurate. molecule man destroyed mjolnir i think, and magneto has affected it in the same way he affected the shield. perrikus also cut the hammer in half, as has the destroyer (and it wasn't his disintegrator that did it, it was blasts from his hands) and thor's own godblast was also enough to destroy the hammer.

I said Mjolnir was only damaged when magic was used Magneto never damaged mjolnir.

in contrast the odinpower has destroyed the shield and the beyonder has done the same. the odinpower blast (contrary to what you'd like to believe) is non-canon as it is an ALTERNATE future, so really only the beyonder--the most powerful being in MU history--has destroyed it.

by feats and history, shield>hammer

The current Thor is marvel 616 merged with the aleternate time line Thor same guy.. feats carry over. They merged AFTER the time line was turned back that why the feats carry over

Originally posted by Ouallada
It's worth noting that when Reece unmade Mjolnir alongside Cap's shield, he was a lot more impressed by the shield's makeup than Mjolnir upon remaking the items he dispersed. Perrikus has definitely sliced Mjolnir into two. The battle against Exitar also left Mjolnir in pieces. The Destroyer, well, destroyed Mjolnir. Mjolnir was also destroyed and damaged in battle against some storm giants and Bor respectively.

While the debate here isn't between Cap's shield and Mjolnir, ignoring OF Thor, we have the shield only being damaged/destroyed by Thanos/IG, PR Reece and Doom/PR Beyonder. Even when counting OF Thor, OF Thor > Destroyer, and Mjolnir was destroyed by the latter, which is inferior to OF Thor, meaning that using Thor's feats against the shield count for little here.

On the topic of Uru, the metal has some lower feats as well. Thor carved a replacement for Mjolnir with his bare hands. Uroc's right hand was destroyed after being frozen by liquid nitrogen and shot. On the other hand, adamantium has survived meteoric impacts in the near absolute-zero temperatures of space, amongst countless other incidents of durability.

In my opinion, Cap's shield > Primary adamantium > Enchanted Uru.

ahh. a voice of reason amid the cacophony of madness. 😄

Originally posted by Ouallada
It's worth noting that when Reece unmade Mjolnir alongside Cap's shield, he was a lot more impressed by the shield's makeup than Mjolnir upon remaking the items he dispersed. Perrikus has definitely sliced Mjolnir into two. The battle against Exitar also left Mjolnir in pieces. The Destroyer, well, destroyed Mjolnir. Mjolnir was also destroyed and damaged in battle against some storm giants and Bor respectively.

While the debate here isn't between Cap's shield and Mjolnir, ignoring OF Thor, we have the shield only being damaged/destroyed by Thanos/IG, PR Reece and Doom/PR Beyonder. Even when counting OF Thor, OF Thor > Destroyer, and Mjolnir was destroyed by the latter, which is inferior to OF Thor, meaning that using Thor's feats against the shield count for little here.

On the topic of Uru, the metal has some lower feats as well. Thor carved a replacement for Mjolnir with his bare hands. Uroc's right hand was destroyed after being frozen by liquid nitrogen and shot. On the other hand, adamantium has survived meteoric impacts in the near absolute-zero temperatures of space, amongst countless other incidents of durability.

In my opinion, Cap's shield > Primary adamantium > Enchanted Uru.

btw Uroc was not same as mjolnir (writers said so themselve) the only magic he had was to make him alive not harder so not same magic. basicaly Uroc durability= plain uru, not mjolnir, so comparison dont work here. we dunno how the liquid nitro trick would work against adamantium

same with destroyer, it dont count cuz it was never tested against caps sheild (tho Marvel bio does say it can cut thru "any substance known" so that include adamantium too)
and ditto w Perrikus, it was magic sword of a dark god, it slice mjolnir but wuz never tested against the sheild so cant compare either

Originally posted by leonidas
"scarcely dented it". anyway, doesn't prove mjollnir>adamantium in the least. and i have no idea where you got the idea that he hit the 'tip' of the cylinder OR where you got the idea that the cylinder was in any way SMALLER than the hammer. this whole discussion has just been . . . weird.

anyway everytime the hammer meet adamantium (or proto adamantium) its always the later that get damage not the former. watta coincidence aint it

Originally posted by DarkOdin
The current Thor is marvel 616 merged with the aleternate time line Thor same guy.. feats carry over. They merged AFTER the time line was turned back that why the feats carry over

you gotta learn to quote better. some of your replies were in the quote box attributed to me.

where did thor dent the hammer without the odinpower? the eyebeams destroyed it, but where did he dent it with the hammer? i assume during the reigning somewhere.

and like i said, molecule man destroying the hammer was NOT magic.

and you can say it as often as you'd like, but the reigning is an ALTERNATE FUTURE. if you don't like the fact that it is non-canon, well . . . take it up with the rules committee of the KMC . . .

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lol wheres the cylinder in the pic then, if its that big

what?

😑

it's right in the full page scan you posted!

anyway everytime the hammer meet adamantium (or proto adamantium) its always the later that get damage not the former. watta coincidence aint it

sigh . . .

yeah, i gotta stop discussing this with you now . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
ahh. a voice of reason amid the cacophony of madness. 😄

You flatter me. 😮

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so earth science > asgard magic and power cosmic? (MM said caps sheild was weirder then surfers board too)

btw Uroc was not same as mjolnir (writers said so themselve) the only magic he had was to make him alive not ahrder

The answer is "not necessarily better, but not necessarily worse; just different".

Uroc isn't the same as Mjolnir. Definitely. Was just a series of statements on Uru itself.

anyway everytime the hammer meet adamantium (or proto adamantium) its always the later that get damage not the former. watta coincidence aint it

Yeah, just like it is coincidental that in the two issues after Thor's adamantium testing, Thor repeatedly hit Ultron, without doing any damage whatsoever. The same adamantium that Thor supposedly dented.

Originally posted by leonidas
you gotta learn to quote better. some of your replies were in the quote box attributed to me.

where did thor dent the hammer without the odinpower? the eyebeams destroyed it, but where did he dent it with the hammer? i assume during the reigning somewhere.

and like i said, molecule man destroying the hammer was NOT magic.

and you can say it as often as you'd like, but the reigning is an ALTERNATE FUTURE. if you don't like the fact that it is non-canon, well . . . take it up with the rules committee of the KMC . . .

Le me clear it up before the reighing Odinpowered Thor Dented Cap's Shield.

Fast foward to the reighing arc Thor was cut off from the Odin power killed logan with so sort of blast and bent /damaged his bones. Then he goes and kills Hulk and Thing with one arm. Next Cap fights Thor and during the fight Thor blast cap's shield with some sort of eye blast and destroy's a part of the shield and killed Cap.

after the Reighing Thor goesd back into time to the current 616 reality and merges with his self.

Since The merger happened in the normal time learn of 616 Thor's feats carry over to the reg timeline.

And Molecue man is no normal being as you know

Originally posted by leonidas
what?

😑

it's right in the full page scan you posted!

Originally posted by leonidas
by feats and history, shield>hammer

Originally posted by Ouallada
Yeah, just like it is coincidental that in the two issues after Thor's adamantium testing, Thor repeatedly hit Ultron, without doing any damage whatsoever. The same adamantium that Thor supposedly dented.

btw the Thor hittin Ultron & causing no damage wuz pure PIS, explain how come Hulk who aint even pissed can put a crack in Ultron armor with his BEAR FIST, yet Thor with his HAMMER cant?

also wasnt the Thor in Thor vs Ultron writen by Busiek? (the same guy who allways underwrite Thor & even make him vulnrable to bullets? lol)

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Le me clear it up before the reighing Odinpowered Thor Dented Cap's Shield.

Fast foward to the reighing arc Thor was cut off from the Odin power killed logan with so sort of blast and bent /damaged his bones. Then he goes and kills Hulk and Thing with one arm. Next Cap fights Thor and during the fight Thor blast cap's shield with some sort of eye blast and destroy's a part of the shield and killed Cap.

after the Reighing Thor goesd back into time to the current 616 reality and merges with his self.

Since The merger happened in the normal time learn of 616 Thor's feats carry over to the reg timeline.

😐

like i said, take it up with the people who make the rules of the KMC.

And Molecue man is no normal being as you know

obviously, but neither is he magical.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah...so does it look anywhere as thick as the hammer? 🙄

😆

seriously??

we don't see INSIDE the cylinder. how the heck can ANYONE know how thick the cylinder is! it's much larger than the hammer though. it's . . . right . . . at . . . the . . . bottom . . . of . . . your . . . scan!

the blue thing thor is standing in front of IS the cylinder! this truly is the most 😑 discussion i've ever had in the forums . . .

ok, cite 1 durability feat where u can direcly compare hammer & sheild. just 1 (like somethin which damaged sheild and hammer woud not survive, or somethin which damaged hammer but wich sheild woud survive)

ahhhhhhhh . . . . now you're getting somewhere. 🙂

there is nothing in common which would allow that kind of direct comparison. so we need to look at other things. which have already been discussed over and over.

thor's hammer has uber durability, no doubt, but fewer things have damaged the shield, hence, i say the shield is more durable. it's really that simple. it is of course a matter of opinion at the end of the day, but that is mine, based on the evidence we've seen.

i also think pure adamantium is harder than the hammer, based on history and feats.

Cap's shield > Primary adamantium > Enchanted Uru

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah no damage either way so impossibel to compare
lets stick to examples where there WAS damage when the 2 colide 😄 and surprise surprise, mjolnir never ever get damage

btw the Thor hittin Ultron & causing no damage wuz pure PIS, explain how come Hulk who aint even pissed can put a crack in Ultron armor with his BEAR FIST, yet Thor with his HAMMER cant?

also wasnt the Thor in Thor vs Ultron writen by Busiek? (the same guy who allways underwrite Thor & even make him vulnrable to bullets? lol)

Your replies are honestly giving me a headache from the deciphering. Would it be too difficult to spellcheck and spell out words properly?

As far as collision damage goes, you do not need an object of higher durability to cut another object. Would you argue that water is harder than steel? I guess not. Mjolnir has been damaged far more times than adamantium, though. For instance, in a collision with non-enchanted (iirc) Uru. Still want to cherrypick feats?

I would not claim PIS if I were you. Comic book physics doesn't always work the way you want it to. Just let it go.

Originally posted by leonidas
😆

seriously??

we don't see INSIDE the cylinder. how the heck can ANYONE know how thick the cylinder is! it's much larger than the hammer though. it's . . . right . . . at . . . the . . . bottom . . . of . . . your . . . scan!

the blue thing thor is standing in front of IS the cylinder! this truly is the most 😑 discussion i've ever had in the forums . . .

ahhhhhhhh . . . . now you're getting somewhere. 🙂

there is nothing in common which would allow that kind of direct comparison. so we need to look at other things. which have already been discussed over and over.

thor's hammer has uber durability, no doubt, but fewer things have damaged the shield, hence, i say the shield is more durable. it's really that simple. it is of course a matter of opinion at the end of the day, but that is mine, based on the evidence we've seen.

i also think pure adamantium is harder than the hammer, based on history and feats.

Cap's shield > Primary adamantium > Enchanted Uru

btw whats the point in havin a hammer thats a unique waepon when theres a substance that earth can mass-produce that woud be harder then the hammer, lol kinda takes away the point in havin that hammer in the 1st place does it

Originally posted by Ouallada
Your replies are honestly giving me a headache from the deciphering. Would it be too difficult to spellcheck and spell out words properly?

As far as collision damage goes, you do not need an object of higher durability to cut another object.
Would you argue that water is harder than steel?

I guess not. Mjolnir has been damaged far more times than adamantium, though. For instance, in a collision with non-enchanted (iirc) Uru.

Originally posted by Ouallada

Uroc isn't the same as Mjolnir. Definitely. Was just a series of statements on Uru itself.

I would not claim PIS if I were you. Comic book physics doesn't always work the way you want it to. Just let it go.

I'd give the contest to Mjolnir over adamantium.

The main problem, story-wise is that Thor's hammer can always be remade. The shield really can't by easy means or else is would be leaked into the criminal community like adamantium has been. Though of course Cap's shield isn't adamantium. :-)