Batdude's Second Round Tourney Draft

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But he's been punked before by someone more powerful than him. Has that ever happened to AS Supes?

And Majestic also had to construct those power gauntlets to help him with the planets. They created some sort of forcefield so that the planets wouldn't crumble under the pressure, but I think he also got a strangth boost.

Like said, though, the only thing he exceeds Thanos in is speed.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And Majestic also had to construct those power gauntlets to help him with the planets. They created some sort of forcefield so that the planets wouldn't crumble under the pressure, but I think he also got a strangth boost.

It didn't actually.

And AS Superman? ... what the hell is going on with the drafting of guys with so few appearances?

And Superman's abilities x3 = Thanos at the least.

This Union guy's bio says "energy projection and construction" ... seems kinda like a GL doesn't it?

In what? Strength? That was already discussed, strength advantage isn't enough for banning (Not to mention that he doesn't have strength advantage, he struggled when he had to get out of underverse - Thanos can increase his strength with cosmic powers near limitlessly).

Speed? Discussed also, 99% of characters in this Tourney are faster then Thanos.

Durability? Thanos takes all-out shots from ODIN and isn't even knocked out. Not quite. And I doubt that is not even his best durability feats. Thanos is literally one of the most durable non-abstracts in Marvel Universe.

Energy abilities? Please.

Wiki bios don't cut it (Union)

http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unionlv7.jpg

All Star Superman? seriously? look, guys, no disrespect, i considered him too, but i thought never in a million years would he be allowed, he's insanely powerful... 🤨

But not more powerful then Thanos.

And that is all that should matter.

Sad to say this, but most of the tourney people here still seem to think that Thanos is still not far from Herald level. This is not a fact. There are lots of spaces between a Herald and Thanos. We are talking about a guy who can etc. go telepathically against Galactus for pages and fight Tyrant for one quarter of an issue, hold his own against Odin for half an issue (Compared to Surfer who got bitchslapped and knocked out in one panel).

Thanos is not simply a next step from guys like Surfer and Superman, he is much more. And we are going to go by that when choosing our picks. 😬

All-Star Superman is under Thanos.

Originally posted by pr1983
All Star Superman? seriously? look, guys, no disrespect, i considered him too, but i thought never in a million years would he be allowed, he's insanely powerful... 🤨

I agree.

You gotta prove your point.

As it stands, there is nothing with All-Star Superman that would put him over Thanos, besides speed. But all characters in this Tourney have speed advantage.

Strength, no, durability, no, energy projection, f*ck no, overall power, not a chance.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But not more powerful then Thanos.

And that is all that should matter.

Sad to say this, but most of the tourney people here still seem to think that Thanos is still not far from Herald level. This is not a fact. There are lots of spaces between a Herald and Thanos. We are talking about a guy who can etc. go telepathically against Galactus for pages and fight Tyrant for one quarter of an issue, hold his own against Odin for half an issue (Compared to Surfer who got bitchslapped and knocked out in one panel).

Thanos is not simply a next step from guys like Surfer and Superman, he is much more. And we are going to go by that when choosing our picks. 😬

All-Star Superman is under Thanos.

That's all opinion.

AS Superman has been shown to have no limits so far.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's all opinion.

However, that opinion came from a logical place and conclusion rather than just stating, "no, he is too powerful"

Thanos is leagues beyond Surfer. We are exploiting the fact that this can be an above herald tourny 😬

It's not opinion. Direct matching of the feats both have done and what they have shown. Thanos is just simply more powerful then All-Star Superman.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's all opinion.

AS Superman has been shown to have no limits so far.

Majorly struggling while getting out of the draw of the world of superheavy gravity certainly counts as a limit...

I have to agree with DC here. Rules are Rules. If they state that you can pick anyone under Thanos level in each category, then by those rules they should be able to draft All- Superman IF he truly is less powerful than Thanos.

However, Scoob does make an excellent argument when he says characters with less than a certain amount of showings should not be allowed in the tourney due to a lack of on panel feats. Which brings up the question...How do you really know AS Superman is less powerful than Thanos when he hasn't appeared on enough occasions to prove such a fact.

Originally posted by nimbus006
I have to agree with DC here. Rules are Rules. If they state that you can pick anyone under Thanos level in each category, then by those rules they should be able to draft All- Superman IF he truly is less powerful than Thanos.

However, Scoob does make an excellent argument when he says characters with less than a certain amount of showings should not be allowed in the tourney due to a lack of on panel feats. Which brings up the question...How do you really know AS Superman is less powerful than Thanos when he hasn't appeared on enough occasions to prove such a fact.

Because only feats he has shown are under Thanos? Never shown strength over Thanos, energy manipulation over Thanos, or durability over Thanos...😬

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because only feats he has shown are under Thanos? Never shown strength over Thanos, energy manipulation over Thanos, or durability over Thanos...😬

Because he hasn't had enough appearances, which is why its kind of a gray issue. Take Sentry for example... Some believe he can stalemate Galactus, while others think he goes down to Thor. Either way there is not enough evidence to prove either argument. Which is why its not practical to use AS Supes in a tourney where everyone is going to be questioning every feat you say he can pull off.

What I trying to say is that it might easier, and more fair if everyone picked characters with a minimum amount of showings in order so that debaters can use them as proof.

How can they question those feats when I have scans to prove them? I'm going to use him in the level of power he has constantly shown in comics, and the power level he has constantly shown in comics hasn't never crossed the line over Thanos.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How can they question those feats when I have scans to prove them? I'm going to use him in the level of power he has constantly shown in comics, and the power level he has constantly shown in comics hasn't never crossed the line over Thanos.

Well i thought the whole point of these tourneys was to come up with new type of power feats comparible to those of the comics. If thats the case your going to be limited in what you can and can't improvise on.

Originally posted by Scoobless
This Union guy's bio says "energy projection and construction" ... seems kinda like a GL doesn't it?

Good call. He probably shouldn't be round 2.

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And hell, with limited showings, they may even have a hard time proving AS Supes is as powerful as, say, normal Supes. General opinion is that he is, but regular Supes moved the moon with WW, right? That's gotta be at least a few quintillion tons. Same with Majestic.

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So I'd still like to see the official ruling from BD, but I won't be so harsh with AS Supes.

As for Union, I think he should be the next round...I seem to remember Khell talking about him a long time ago as a legit construct-generator guy. Mangog's still iffy too.

Originally posted by Scoobless
This Union guy's bio says "energy projection and construction" ... seems kinda like a GL doesn't it?