Originally posted by Juntai
You mean running/flying and leaving afterimages?
I can show Superman doing the same thing.
Everyone's disagreeing with you on this point, bro.
What Runner did is irrelevant because Superman can't copy his speed or use of the space gem.
Originally posted by psycho gundamThats why i believe it wasnt just speed alone it was combo of speed/Telerporting due to what Thanos showed Surfer.And as Kris said Superman cant copy what Runner did for several reasons.
pip had the space gem the longest period of time (in appearances), he used it to teleport and it was far different than what the runner was doing.
Originally posted by darthgooberNo, he was suggesting that Thanos didn't use the time or space gem because he didn't run in circles leaving afterimages like Runner did when he was using the gem againt Thanos 😕, but that's his opinion, whatever... and that there's nothing showing that the power gem affects reactions. I was refuting the idea that he didn't use the gauntlet because he didn't leave afterimages of himself by giving the interpretation that Runner wasn't using it either. An interpretation that you agree with, given you made the Elder thread with the same interpretation.
That really doesn't clear things up in regards to what I said. Aren't you guys talking about two completely different things?
Originally posted by Kris BlazeRunner didn't use the gem, and Superman's speed showings are pretty much just as impressive in and out of combat. That's a whole other debate though, and one I already made back in one of the Runner vs Superman threads.
Doesn't matter if everybody disagrees with someone. If this caused people to admit that they were wrong, Shoko and Quan would've given up years ago.What Runner did is irrelevant because Superman can't copy his speed or use of the space gem.
Originally posted by Juntai
No, he was suggesting that Thanos didn't use the time or space gem because he didn't run in circles leaving afterimages like Runner did when he -wasn't- using the gem 😕, but that's his opinion, whatever... and that there's nothing showing that the power gem affects reactions. I was refuting the idea that he didn't use the gauntlet because he didn't leave afterimages of himself by giving the interpretation that Runner wasn't using it either. An interpretation that you agree with, given you made the Elder thread with the same interpretation.
Originally posted by darthgooberThats kind my theory that the Runner was warping/moving space around him(which the gem allows) whilst he was running, thats why he arrives soon as he thought about it.
It's the interpretation I lean towards, not that I agree with wholeheartedly. Digi and I once had an interesting discusion about it via PM with him talking about how Runner was warping space and while I still disagree with him, a case can be made for it. It's another one of those things that's dependant on how you want to view the story.
Originally posted by Juntai
Runner didn't use the gem, and Superman's speed showings are pretty much just as impressive in and out of combat. That's a whole other debate though, and one I already made back in one of the Runner vs Superman threads.
Originally posted by psycho gundamI personally wasn't attempting to, it just came into the debate against me as someone trying to provide evidence of Thanos not using the power of the gauntlet while I suggest any showings with the gauntlet shouldn't be solid evidence as to what would happen without, since it amps him beyond comprehension. Thanos has other showings more applicable as evidence.
just can't see how the runner's feats can be used for superman.
Originally posted by darthgooberAgreed, and until he shows he's definitively faster in and out of combat one can't accurate suggest he IS just as much as ISN'T. What we do know is by current contrast his feats aren't entirely out of Superman's range speed-wise either.
Yeah but Supes and Runner aren't really comparible because the Runner's pretty much an unknown. There's a difference between two established characters having feats on the same level and an established character having feats on the same level as a relatively obscure character.
game is back on, afk.
Originally posted by darthgooberBut it was more than a lightyear. And a second is nothing to someone with super human reflexes. Nanosecond is more like it.
It's how many seconds are in a year. If it takes light a year to traverse the distance that Surfer covered in a second then that's at how much faster than light Surfer was traveling at the very least.
I don't see how it does. The scan isn't clear as to what really happened. Only the writer knows. As long as there are no contradictions then yes anything can be interpreted as pretty much anything. That is why we have good debates and discussions.
You're interpretation defies logic though. If we go that route, anything can be interpreted as pretty much anything.
No offense but that is dumb as you know what. Thanos has never has shown the physical power to damage CA's shield. Thor who is physically stronger than Odin, especially with the OF only managed to dent the shield using Mjolnir (a tool).
Not really. The shield's been damaged by skyfather level characters before so it's entirely possible that Thanos could break it without an amp.
Not that I think he did mind you because I'm of the firm opinion that he did in fact amp various things throughout the fight, but I don't think he kept any kind of continuous amp going. After all, if the amps were continuous it would mean that a couple of characters took punches that could have broken Cap's shield.I don't quite understand your words here. Sry but my English comprehension is not always sound. I'll try though.
Either he didn't keep a continuous amp going like you said or that writer was guilty of a human error (Happens all the time). I doubt the writer was trying to show Thanos amping occassionally at various times only. Also Thanos choosing not to amp on a punch is the same as him holding back on a punch (purposely punching with less force but still amped in strength). Either case is valid.
I agree except that Thanos was always moving his hand (he never stopped till after SS missed).It was over a lightyear away and Thanos and Cap were just standing there so we have a minimum quantification(over 32,000,000x lightspeed) and can be reasonably sure that Thanos moved his hand after seeing the Surfer(we see a close up of Thanos's eye with a silver gleam in it right before Surfer gets there).
I was equating SS moving 32,000,000 times light speed with being over 32,000,000 times farther away than Superman will be.Huh?
Let t1 be the time it took for Thanos to react to SS in the feat, t2 be the time it takes for him to react to Superman, d1 be the distance SS was away from Thanos, d2 be the distance Superman is away from Thanos, r1 be SS's speed, and let r2 be Superman's speed.
d1=r1xt1
=>t1=d1/r1
Now 32,000,000xd2 < d1 and 32,000,000xr2=r1 (since SS is more than 32,000,000 times farther away than Superman is from Thanos and assuming Superman only moves at 1x light speed instead of 32,000,000x light speed)
=> 1. d2 < d1/32,000,000 and 2. r2 = r1/32,000,000 (solving both eqns)
So d2=r2xt2
=>t2 = d2/r2
= d2/(r1/32,000,000) (by 2.)
=32,000,000d2/r1
<32,000,000(d1/32,000,000)/r1 (by 1.)
=d1/r1
= t1
Thus t2 < t1 which means that Thanos has less time to react to Superman than he did SS.