Originally posted by xJLxKing
LMAO. You can't answer my question, or are you avoiding it? You want me to show you Superman fighting on what level? I can't do it unless you tell me what level?
LMAO, like I said before, if you are saying Superman can fight at such speed because he possess speed then Thor can fight at Supermans level since he also possess Super speed. I'll debate with you through PM, dont want to spam the thread.
Originally posted by shokosugi
You're wrong because:1) Galactus >>>>>> Odin >>>> Thanos
2) Superman >>>> Gladiator
I said by the same logic, not by ABC principle. The logic in question is that because Superman has an EXTENSIVE list of speed-blitz feats, and Thanos does not have a history of either blitzing or resisting blitzes from someone else, it stands to reason that he will not be able to deal with Supes' FTL assault. For non-cosmic opponents, I think that this would be a pretty solid argument -- however, the fact remains that cosmic or skyfather type characters are generally portrayed as having rather tremendous, vaguely defined powersets that appear to make quantitative differences in speed a relative non-factor (we can make an exception here for characters like Zoom and the Runner w/ gem, whose speed appears to be qualitatively different from characters like Supes, Glads, Thanos, etc.). The point I was making, and which I am now repeating in this long-winded fashion, is that this logic would also give Gladiator a win over Odin. Odin, so far as I know, does not have any showings where he either blitzes or resists a blitz, whereas Glads has speed-blitzes all over the place, and has some of the top strength/fighting feats in Marvel. For that matter, Mimic, if he stole the powers of colossus and quicksilver or northstar could also be imagined to perform unthinkable feats via this logic. It seems more reasonable to assume that these kinds of high-end characters can fight at superspeeds, even when not explicitly stated. Since someone will probably retort that we need panel-based facts, not inferences, I will also offer the following argument in defense of a Thanos win:
Assuming that Supes CAN speedblitz Thanos before he can raise shields(which, as I've stated before, is dubious), Thanos' fight w/ Tyrant (let alone his physical conflicts w/ mad Thor, Hulk, Champion, etc. etc.) clearly demonstrates that he is too durable to be taken down at once, in which case he will very rapidly beat Kal-El down w/ area-effect energy attacks, or with telepathy. Also, since people sometimes forget that DP Tyrant is one of the strongest bricks in Marvel (probably on a par w/ Mangog and Kurse), I'd like to point out that he literally one-shotted BRB, and took a hammer attack like it was nothing.
Originally posted by quanchi112doesn't equal to beating odin flat out.
Well, it's quite simple it really is. Thanos was upgraded since his battle with Odin. He acquired the power to crush the Maker and to physically launch a well fed Galactus. Even prior to this upgrade he was able to go the distance with Odin.
thanos' durability is greater than his offensive output (that he's chosen to display). sure he rocked galactus, but all it did was make galactus pissed off, he wasn't going to kill him.
the maker made herself mortal, just like pre-retcon beyonder did which led to his death. basically they had uber offense but no defense whatsoever, sure thanos looked amazing against her, but at the same time she couldn't take any damage from him since she was mortal. beyonder made himself into a baby but retained all his power but was killed by a falling machine, same sort of deal here.
Originally posted by psycho gundamI think it does.
doesn't equal to beating odin flat out.thanos' durability is greater than his offensive output (that he's chosen to display). sure he rocked galactus, but all it did was make galactus pissed off, he wasn't going to kill him.
the maker made herself mortal, just like pre-retcon beyonder did which led to his death. basically they had uber offense but no defense whatsoever, sure thanos looked amazing against her, but at the same time she couldn't take any damage from him since she was mortal. beyonder made himself into a baby but retained all his power but was killed by a falling machine, same sort of deal here.
Thanos did something to Galactus he didn't do to Odin proving his power has been significantly amped.
Thanos still fender off her attacks like nothing though.
You can't deny the fact Thanos got a lot more powerful since the Odin fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think it does.Thanos did something to Galactus he didn't do to Odin proving his power has been significantly amped.
Thanos still fender off her attacks like nothing though.
You can't deny the fact Thanos got a lot more powerful since the Odin fight.
Quan, while I agree with you that Thanos is often underrated in regards to Odin, we also have to acknowledge that, in spite of power-ups, his top feats (w/out prep) don't measure up to Odin's. While this may simply be a consequence of the KINDS of fights he engages in, I think we have to wait for better on-panel evidence of how much more powerful he is now.
However, the whole Odin vs Thanos digression is just a red-herring here —_it would only be relevant if we had evidence that Superman is very close in power to Odin, which is about as common as evidence that jimmy olsen can take batman.