Originally posted by -Pr-
he doesn't need to drink. the bite was what did dracula in. they're just magic daggers when it comes down to it. a big frickin sword would do a better job.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Vampire Wolverine FTW
seriously though I can see how Thors hammer hitting Supes would allow him to recuperate.
Compared to vampire teeth simply piercing him easily.
That is a huge weakness that should've been implemented by now.Thanos: Hi Drac how are you going.
Drac: Leave me.
Thanos: If you give me 100 vampire teeth I'll give you 10 fresh mutants to feed on, I don't care if they are bums!
Drac: It's a deal!
Just an earlier post ......projectile weaponry but ideally a blade would take Supes down. Especially with Thanos wielding it .
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They've been shown time and time again to be equal. Almost every Superman/Captain Marvel encounter I can think of whether its Pre-Crisis, Post Crisis, canon, or not-canon, shows CM and Supes being equal in the terms of strength/durabilty. Their fights usually end in stalemates or under dubious circumstances at best.
Actually no. CM's magic evens the fight out. Without it CM would be a lost duck. Also Superman still does hold back (subconsciously). Lastly, the outcome of a h2h fist fight doesn't determine who is stronger anyway. Wrestling feats do (when characters grapple) and other feats do.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually no. CM's magic evens the fight out. Without it CM would be a lost duck. Also Superman still does hold back (subconsciously). Lastly, the outcome of a h2h fist fight doesn't determine who is stronger anyway. Wrestling feats do (when characters grapple) and other feats do.
Actually, yes. They've stalemated each other in arm wrestling contests numerous times, with the only time Superman clearly won was because the Power of Shazam was split three-ways between CM, CM3, and Mary. Just because he's powered by magic, doesn't make his punches magic. On sheer strength alone, he's able to harm Superman. When he does cry out "Shazam!" or use magically amped punches, is when he shows a slight advantage over Superman. It's the same for when they grapple.
Take Kingdom Come for instance (yes, non canon, but as I said in my post you quoted, DC shows CM and Superman being equal in practically every way, with the "victor" coming out due to plot device or shady circumstances). KC Superman is shown to be much stronger and durable over his mainstream counterpart due to his advanced age and longer period of time having absorbed solar energy. When Billy becomes Captain Marvel for the first time in what's assumed to be decades, he's able to fight him to a standstill, and gain the advantage by exploiting his magic lightning. There's no evidence that that Captain Marvel is > than his mainstream counterpart or got amped in the story, and yet he was able to hold his own with Superman.
You can believe that Superman is end of the day stronger, but DC has made it a point to show that under most circumstances Marvel is incredibly close in terms of power to Superman without directly using magic. Whether canon or not.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Actually, yes. They've stalemated each other in arm wrestling contests numerous times, with the only time Superman clearly won was because the Power of Shazam was split three-ways between CM, CM3, and Mary. Just because he's powered by magic, doesn't make his punches magic. On sheer strength alone, he's able to harm Superman. When he does cry out "Shazam!" or use magically amped punches, is when he shows a slight advantage over Superman. It's the same for when they grapple.Take Kingdom Come for instance (yes, non canon, but as I said in my post you quoted, DC shows CM and Superman being equal in practically every way, with the "victor" coming out due to plot device or shady circumstances). KC Superman is shown to be much stronger and durable over his mainstream counterpart due to his advanced age and longer period of time having absorbed solar energy. When Billy becomes Captain Marvel for the first time in what's assumed to be decades, he's able to fight him to a standstill, and gain the advantage by exploiting his magic lightning. There's no evidence that that Captain Marvel is > than his mainstream counterpart or got amped in the story, and yet he was able to hold his own with Superman.
You can believe that Superman is end of the day stronger, but DC has made it a point to show that under most circumstances Marvel is incredibly close in terms of power to Superman without directly using magic. Whether canon or not.
Well armwrestling in stalemate would prove that CM is at a holding back Supes physical strength level. What issues or scans can this be found?
As far as brawling (hitting each other around) doesn't prove strength at all. I can think of many cases where the weaker went toe to toe and either stalemated or won in a brawl.
Originally posted by h1a8
Well armwrestling in stalemate would prove that CM is at a holding back Supes physical strength level. What issues or scans can this be found?As far as brawling (hitting each other around) doesn't prove strength at all. I can think of many cases where the weaker went toe to toe and either stalemated or won in a brawl.
Both scans can be found in the Captain Marvel respect thread. The issue in question of one arm-wrestling contest is from CM's ongoing back in the mid-90's. He loses only because his power is sapped due to Captain Marvel, Jr. and Mary Marvel are calling upon their own power at the time, which is also why his showings in his own title are a bit low. When he's the sole wielder of the Power of Shazam, he's on par with Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8
Void in proving he's stronger than Lobo?
If so, then yes it is directly, but not indirectly.
If Lobo has other feats that trump that then yes it is wholly void towards that argument only.
so if indirect comparison is void, why use that feat as evidence of superman being strong enough to not just challenge thanos but beat him?
like why was it even brought up before if it's inadmissible?
hmmmmm
Originally posted by psycho gundam
so if indirect comparison is void, why use that feat as evidence of superman being strong enough to not just challenge thanos but beat him?like why was it even brought up before if it's inadmissible?
hmmmmm
I never did such a thing. Being more stronger has little to do with winning. I don't even put strength as 10% the factor of winning. Speed and skill is more than 70% of the factor. Superman wins not because he is stronger than Thanos but because he can achieve the combo to ko with great success. If Superman couldn't then he loses everytime (even if he is stronger).
I only use the Lobo feat to show that Superman is stronger than X and not that Superman will beat X. I do this when someone mentions that X is stronger than Superman.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
goldfish memory i see.you just explained why you think it means nothing that a guy could knock another one around, yet claimed it proved strength all over the place in many threads.
lol
I was referring to the feat itself and not the person who got knocked around. For instance, if Superman knocked a 1600lb slab of adamantium instead then that feat would be the same since it would take more than trillions of tons of force to achieve.
Originally posted by carver9
Traveling space means nothing because their is no gravity to hold anything back. Superman admits this when Doomsday was on the moon. He said due to there being no gravity on the moon, it wouldnt take Doomsday no time to cover it, thats why he took off so fast after doomsday.Writers have also stated this, thats why we ask for ftl combat speed because of course a person can travel pretty fast across space, hell classic rogue has done this alongside surfer. Vulcan has done this, Super skrull has done this, thor has done this, Beta Ray bill has done this, Ms. Marvel has done this. Even Ironman has flown to the sun and back in a couple of panels. Space flight=sh** and if its a indication of someone being able to fight at the speed of light then that means that half of dc and marvel has this ability.
First off, there is always the pull of gravity, regardless of how small. Secondly, I am not just talking about people who have flown fast a couple of times, I am talking of galaxy traversers, who can do it under their own power, any time they wish. These guys are many, many, many times the speed of light. Andromeda(the closest spiral galaxy to our Milky Way) is 2.5 million light years away. If it took superman one year to reach it(which it wouldn't) that would still put him millions of time faster than light.
It is only my opinion on the matter, but like I said, I think it is ridiculous to think someone who can react and travel millions of times faster than light can't throw together a series of punches FTL. I don't hold this sentiment for only supes, but all galaxy traversers.