Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no, I put up a good argument that Mxy was cannon and people accepted it. I showed where every elseworld's tale was a universe. and since there is only one mxy, it had to be cannon. Thanks. I win on that point. 😄
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlGamora can't slap away Hulk and Drax at the same time with brute strength alone... which is what Thanos did.
NO. it sounds like you trained gamora, and you well know what the hell your doing in combat. Drax and Hulk aren't known for thier battle prowess. They probably telegraph thier moves.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT seems that you refuse to accept that she did all these things on her own. You also refuse to believe that it took great strength to break Superman's ribs. A being who can with stand the pressure of a double black hole. I stated that her moving even 100th of the earth's weight would make that feat physically better than most of the other tops tiers feats. Even if she had help. Just 100th puts her in the Billions of Tons range. I used the direct combat tactic just as you. as it seems. you get to use thanos' direct combat tactics to prove his strength, but I dont' get to use diana beating a daxamite, Breaking superman's ribs, and stalemating captain marvel in mine. shame on you for being so obvious and blatantly biased. If you had any observation, you would know that i'm only playing the show me the feats card becuz you have played that game with me many times when it comes to diana, but when it comes to thanos, he needs no such feats.
1- And here lies the essence of your problem. If she had backup of others in the mentioned strength feats, she couldnt have done them " on her own". Im talking about the Spectre/Moon/Earth feats respectivally.
2- And where did i said it didnt? I didnt mentioned that feat because she earned that one.
3- And that still gets merked and hurt by top tier punches. Durability showings fluctuate. Strength as well.
4- It doesnt. Because other top tiers like, Hulk, Thor and Herc have generated planet shaking strength as well. Using Superman who has done it (altho with a sundip, in the one i recall) you already have 4 top tiers who did that level of feat.
There arent that many "top tiers" for you to claim WW, is above almost anyone else.
5- You still close the eyes for the evidence. Lets use all direct combat showings shall wee?
Why is Thanos stronger than top tier level? Because he can stand an assault that has three top tiers, and have someone bailed them out while stating he was doing the equivalent to a routine workout. Did he use anything else than strength in that one? No. No blasts. No figthing skills that we saw or that it was stated on panel. Other than Brawling.
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Wonder Woman vs Superman. Why i dont give this direct matchup, in strength only, the rep i give to Thanos? Because in both close matchups she had (The Doomsday Superman and the mind controlled Superman) she didnt just used strength to defeat Superman. In the first matchup, she plainly stated fear on his strength. What happened? She ended up relying on gear (lasso) for the win. Yes, she broke his ribs. Kudos for that. She deservs it. But what downplays her its her admiting he was stronger and showing it by relying on the lasso.
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Second matchup. They started trading punches rather evenly. And again what happened? He breaks her wrists and she ends up relying on what again? Yeah. The only problem i have (if you even call it a problem) its that both matchups dont show her as an equal, but rather someone who is close and uses her stuff to get the win.
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Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel. Why doesnt she deserve the same props that Superman does when matching Marvel? She ended relying on her lasso for the win. This one isent much of a problem, since they locked arms for some moments, but again, the lasso. What is common in all those? She ends up relying on something else than strength. This isent a diservice to WW by saying shes not nearly as strong or that she didnt win. She is close. But the other guys when figthing each other, equal themselves with usually JUST strength. WW on the other hand, does the other way around. Usually she doesnt just lock arms and look equal, she looks like it by using other things other than strength.
This subject its about strength only.
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6- Your last line its crappy. Everyone has feats and Thanos have them. He beats top tiers. He beats heralds. A planet was even destrpyed when lThanos was locking arms with Drax and that was pre powerup. Lifting feats alone arent the bible. If you have them, cool. But when one character doesnt, what else are you going to use?
In the end it comes to this essential question. How do you rate Doomsday, and why?
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3- And that still gets merked and hurt by top tier punches. Durability showings fluctuate. Strength as well.
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All characters Durability and Strength Flucuates,it's called entertainment.
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4- It doesnt. Because other top tiers like, Hulk, Thor and Herc have generated planet shaking strength as well. Using Superman who has done it (altho with a sundip, in the one i recall) you already have 4 top tiers who did that level of feat.
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Your turning what I said about the actual amount of weight she would have had to pull if she just pulled 100th of the earths weight and that trumps most other top tiers actual feats into something. Tell me how many other top tiers have pulled or lifted Billions of Tons.
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There arent that many "top tiers" for you to claim WW, is above almost anyone else.
5- You still close the eyes for the evidence. Lets use all direct combat showings shall wee?
Why is Thanos stronger than top tier level? Because he can stand an assault that has three top tiers, and have someone bailed them out while stating he was doing the equivalent to a routine workout. Did he use anything else than strength in that one? No. No blasts. No figthing skills that we saw or that it was stated on panel. Other than Brawling.
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ORly? No Durability had anything to do with it? He never had any glowing cosmic powers come out of his hands at times? How do you beat three people at the same time with no skill? you have to be fast enough and skilled enough to hit them all.
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Wonder Woman vs Superman. Why i dont give this direct matchup, in strength only, the rep i give to Thanos? Because in both close matchups she had (The Doomsday Superman and the mind controlled Superman) she didnt just used strength to defeat Superman. In the first matchup, she plainly stated fear on his strength. What happened? She ended up relying on gear (lasso) for the win. Yes, she broke his ribs. Kudos for that. She deservs it. But what downplays her its her admiting he was stronger and showing it by relying on the lasso.
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Superman has also thought to himself about the might of WW or Captain Marvel. It's called self doubt. It happens. Thanos has some doubt about fighting the Hulk. Who reminded him of Champion. And we see the look of horror on thanos face when Champ broke those shields.
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Second matchup. They started trading punches rather evenly. And again what happened? He breaks her wrists and she ends up relying on what again? Yeah. The only problem i have (if you even call it a problem) its that both matchups dont show her as an equal, but rather someone who is close and uses her stuff to get the win.
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She wasn't trying to get a win, she was trying to save his life. She could have killed him as easily as he her. Both match ups show that she knew she was fighting someone out of thier mind. try again
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Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel. Why doesnt she deserve the same props that Superman does when matching Marvel? She ended relying on her lasso for the win. This one isent much of a problem, since they locked arms for some moments, but again, the lasso. What is common in all those? She ends up relying on something else than strength. This isent a diservice to WW by saying shes not nearly as strong or that she didnt win. She is close. But the other guys when figthing each other, equal themselves with usually JUST strength. WW on the other hand, does the other way around. Usually she doesnt just lock arms and look equal, she looks like it by using other things other than strength.
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And again she isn't trying to just punch her way to victory. She is trying to end the fight peacably. Especially since it's with her freind. You know nothing of the character.
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6- Your last line its crappy. Everyone has feats and Thanos have them. He beats top tiers. He beats heralds. A planet was even destrpyed when lThanos was locking arms with Drax and that was pre powerup. Lifting feats alone arent the bible. If you have them, cool. But when one character doesnt, what else are you going to use?
In the end it comes to this essential question. How do you rate Doomsday, and why?
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I rate Doomsday the same way I rate anyone else. On feats, Fights, and what is stated on panel. The same way I do for everyone. I was merely crying for feats with Thanos becuz people tend to dismiss lack of feats when it's a charcter they dont' care for. Period.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[Your turning what I said about the actual amount of weight she would have had to pull if she just pulled 100th of the earths weight and that trumps most other top tiers actual feats into something. Tell me how many other top tiers have pulled or lifted Billions of Tons.
How can it thrump it, when the numbers you pull are pure speculation? Did you saw anything being stated? No.
None of the feats mentioned in this thread, have it. Why? Because writters arent rocket scientists to give us any accurate measure. Or bother with it. What we have its the *level* of feat. Hulk destroying an asteroid twice Earths size, Hercules credited as helding it, him and Thor creating planet moving force in an armwrestle, the Earth shaking because Thor decided to go fishing. And WW helping to pull the Earth. All at the same overall level, yesir. What is the major difference? Some have done it at least once (alone or alone testing strength against someone else) and WW has only done it with backup. Who the heck you think looks better?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[ORly? No Durability had anything to do with it? He never had any glowing cosmic powers come out of his hands at times? How do you beat three people at the same time with no skill? you have to be fast enough and skilled enough to hit them all.
Of course durability has something to do it. Its a physical match. The main parts are strength and durability, this is common aknowlege. Durability is the ability he has to wistand punches and the like and strength its the ability to beat someone into a pulp. He didnt beat those four wih gloving hands either, and you know it. You saw the scans!
And what a retard question. How do you beat three guys with no skills? By being stronger than either, you chump! Unless all the others wer using theyr figthing skills as well (and again, it wasent stated or showed that they wer) why would he bother? What was showed was a brawl. And he was stronger than those he attacked him. This is your retarted stance: you speculate he used blasts and superior figthing skills with nothing to back you up. It was a brawl, and he beat them because hes stronger. Simply.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She wasn't trying to get a win, she was trying to save his life. She could have killed him as easily as he her. Both match ups show that she knew she was fighting someone out of thier mind. try again
And yes, she knew he was mind controlled and such. And still fougth back to restrain him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And again she isn't trying to just punch her way to victory. She is trying to end the fight peacably. Especially since it's with her freind. You know nothing of the character.
As for you knowing more, i hope so. I have someone telling me that WW held Paradise Island for Heracles, and i just cant find the istance. Can you help me out?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I rate Doomsday the same way I rate anyone else. On feats, Fights, and what is stated on panel. The same way I do for everyone. I was merely crying for feats with Thanos becuz people tend to dismiss lack of feats when it's a charcter they dont' care for. Period.
`Gooday, Kidd.
Originally posted by olympian
Nice dodge. The only problem being she was accounted as barely holding back in either.And yes, she knew he was mind controlled and such. And still fougth back to restrain him.
Shes trying to end the figth peacefully, by trying to cut his troath. You know, with friends like that, no one would need enemies. I suggest you to read the figths and not that friendly rated version. She was barely holding back and her porpuse was to restrain him.
As for you knowing more, i hope so. I have someone telling me that WW held Paradise Island for Heracles, and i just cant find the istance. Can you help me out?
Substitute "Doomsday" for "Thanos" and now you get why people rate him above top tier.
`Gooday, Kidd.
YOur argument is weak. You really only seek to try and lesson the feats of the character I argue for while implying that characters you argue for are better. It's very obvious that you are arguing out the side of your neck since your using things like who "looks" better and offering your opinion on things like with freinds like those who needs blah blah. You also use subjuective things like, "barely" holding back, when we dont' know how much she was holding back. And then you say silly things like, the character is stronger than them there for he beats them to a pulp. laughable. Considering thanos has never fought any top tier in top form and beat them to a pulp. Ive seen him get some good licks in. The HULK has beaten top tiers to a pulp. there is such a difference. Hell Superman has amped up and taken on the entire JLA. WW has taken on an entire ship of angels and several crime sydicate members. Does that now make them above top tier? nope. Everything yout trying to use to subjectify and rationalize Thanos supposed superior strength doesn't count. Thanos has Superior Durability and skills and cosmic powers. That is all you need even when fighting poeple around the same strength lvl. Now when you can show me Thanos beating the CRAP out of an enraged Hulk, Thor in Top form, and Immortal Herc, then yeah, he's far stronger than top tiers. until then, Stuff it.
Simply show me where he used his cosmic powers and superior figthing skills when he stood against Hercules, Thing, Thor and Hulk.
Simply show me the number of times, a top tier has stood against Thanos, with a good figthing chance.
Simply show me, where WW held Paradise Island. You claimed it, i dont see it and want to know where she did.
Simply show me, where it was implied that any top tier he faced, wasent in figthing form.
And for last yes, you tward. If i constantly beat you, in a physical lvl, it means im physically above you. The scans i presented show everything. Them getting smacked. Thanos stating hes stronger, and Quasar bailing them out because he knew that they couldnt take him. But not for you.
In your retarded mind, he only bailed them out because he wanted to pay them some beers.
Originally posted by olympian
Simply show me where he used his cosmic powers and superior figthing skills when he stood against Hercules, Thing, Thor and Hulk.Simply show me the number of times, a top tier has stood against Thanos, with a good figthing chance.
Simply show me, where WW held Paradise Island. You claimed it, i dont see it and want to know where she did.
Simply show me, where it was implied that any top tier he faced, wasent in figthing form.
And for last yes, you tward. If i constantly beat you, in a physical lvl, it means im physically above you. The scans i presented show everything. Them getting smacked. Thanos stating hes stronger, and Quasar bailing them out because he knew that they couldnt take him. But not for you.
In your retarded mind, he only bailed them out because he wanted to pay them some beers.
First of all, you keep continuing to insult me only shows that you re backed into a corner. thanos has NEVER beaten any top tier in thier top form. He has smacked some people around, But I certainly don't ever remember seeing them beaten to a pulp like the hulk has to people before.
Thanos can state he's stronger all he wants, but he doesn't have one feat to prove it. DS stated many things, things that I have brought up in argument that you have flat out denied simply becuz it was in statement. Now you turn around and try to use a statement? bah. Pathetic. SHow me a time when any top tier has faced thanos at thier strongest in thier right mind. You can't. As far as Diana Shouldering the Island breifly for Herakles, It was in the challenge of the Gods story line. I can't get to the books right now at work, But I"m almost positive it was in the challenge of the Gods storyline.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
thanos has NEVER beaten any top tier in thier top form. He has smacked some people around, But I certainly don't ever remember seeing them beaten to a pulp like the hulk has to people before
I asked examples. Show them to me.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos can state he's stronger all he wants, but he doesn't have one feat to prove it. DS stated many things, things that I have brought up in argument that you have flat out denied simply becuz it was in statement
Darkseid isent a part of this thread. (Dont tell me you are confused already). I can tell you one thing however. If someone states something and does it, its true. Thanos stated they wer chumps, and it was showed that they wer chumps.
Now, where are the examples of top tiers proving to be a match strengthwise, that i asked you? Do your homework.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SHow me a time when any top tier has faced thanos at thier strongest in thier right mind.
When he faced those four. When he beat Thor and Thing together, among others pre power up. When he beat Drax (and the result of the clash destroying a planet). When he beatdown Surfer. I dont see anything being stated as all those being in bad shape.
If your 100% sure they wer all in sore shape, provide proof, please.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As far as Diana Shouldering the Island breifly for Herakles, It was in the challenge of the Gods story line. I can't get to the books right now at work, But I"m almost positive it was in the challenge of the Gods storyline.
She never did. She asked, he refused, and Zeus set him free. Yeah, your supossitions have been accurate so far. Do us a favor. Provide proof or gently back down before any serious backlash you migth get.
Originally posted by olympian
I asked examples. Show them to me.Darkseid isent a part of this thread. (Dont tell me you are confused already). I can tell you one thing however. If someone states something and does it, its true. Thanos stated they wer chumps, and it was showed that they wer chumps.
Now, where are the examples of top tiers proving to be a match strengthwise, that i asked you? Do your homework.
When he faced those four. When he beat Thor and Thing together, among others pre power up. When he beat Drax (and the result of the clash destroying a planet). When he beatdown Surfer. I dont see anything being stated as all those being in bad shape.
If your 100% sure they wer all in sore shape, provide proof, please.
She never did. She asked, he refused, and Zeus set him free. Yeah, your supossitions have been accurate so far. Do us a favor. Provide proof or gently back down before any serious backlash you migth get.
First off, Thing isn't a top tier. 2ndly, Thanos never faced drax with the PG in his right mind, That is top tier. He never faced an angry mad hulk. Top tier. Has Thanos ever faced Top tier Thor. All of these Together at one time? NOPE.
ANd exactly what kind of Backlash can you ever hope to give to me? Since you dont' own stock in MY company, you certainly can't fire me. Do you own the deed to my house or condo? nope? Do I owe you any money? There is nothing you can do that would bring about any " backlash".
As far as Diana offering to shoulder the Island, meh, so The story is 20 years old and I mixed it up a little. So what. She offered, Thus implying she had the strength to do it. The meteor in technis imperitive was much bigger than any island as Not even terra could stop it, and she plays with Earth like we play with paper weights. Diana not OnlyStopped it's fall, but simply carried it away, so you trying to disprove me on that feat in order to undermine her is defunct.
Until you can show me Thanos BEating to a PULP 3 top tiers at thier highest, then i'm not impressed. Superman can Smack Professor Hulk, That version of Thor, and Thing around. Prove to me Thanos did anything spectucular. Show me Thanos Beating Gladiator, Champion and Angry hulk and then he'll be leagues above other top tiers like you want me to believe.
OK I think the problem here is the definition of top tier. To me top tier are people like Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc. Someone with the power gem is NOT top tier as they have limitless levels of strength they can go to so there strength cannot be classified and they pretty much cannot be beaten physically anyway because of artificial means. Drax with the power gem is not Drax at his strongest, its just Drax using an item to gain limitless strength, its like claiming Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is Thanos at his strongest, but thats obviously not true.
Originally posted by Wally West
OK I think the problem here is the definition of top tier. To me top tier are people like Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc. Someone with the power gem is NOT top tier as they have limitless levels of strength they can go to so there strength cannot be classified and they pretty much cannot be beaten physically anyway because of artificial means. Drax with the power gem is not Drax at his strongest, its just Drax using an item to gain limitless strength, its like claiming Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is Thanos at his strongest, but thats obviously not true.
Most Top Tiers don't have any proven Upper limit any way. So I want to know just how do people come up witht his Thanos is stronger stuff. He can be tuffer. But it's not proving he's stronger. Smacking someone doesn't make you stronger. IF the Absorbing man Absorbs Steel and hits someone of his same lvl strength and they are brick, it's going to hurt them alot more. I.E. Thanos's insane durability is going to hurt the Hulk alot more than the abomination hitting him with the same force.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWell given you think someone with the power gem is top tier and their strength actually has no limits, do you think Wonder Woman is also top tier? Is her strength limitless and could it match the Hulk no matter how strong he got, for example?
Most Top Tiers don't have any proven Upper limit any way. So I want to know just how do people come up witht his Thanos is stronger stuff. He can be tuffer. But it's not proving he's stronger. Smacking someone doesn't make you stronger.
Originally posted by bigbran
Surfer, can go at warpspeed. Surfer went 500 million light years in a couple seconds or so. No, not faster than Superman at all. 🙄
I never saw Surfer catch bullets after they were fired, or repair a skyscraper in a few seconds, or vibrate so fast that his body became intangible and so on. Superman is in this case waaay faster than Surfer.
Originally posted by Wally West
Well given you think someone with the power gem is top tier and their strength actually has no limits, do you think Wonder Woman is also top tier? Is her strength limitless and could it match the Hulk no matter how strong he got, for example?
WW Cannot match Hulk in Strength if he gets too far gone. But, She does have this nifty trick people tend to forget about that lets her merge with the Earth and Constantly heal. She could match his strength with that Durability Trick. But punch for punch, eventually, he would beat her ass.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWell then if Wonder Woman can't match Hulk punch for punch regardless of how strong he gets, how can she be top tier in strength? I mean she wouldn't be able to match someone with the power gem either.
WW Cannot match Hulk in Strength. But, She does have this nifty trick people tend to forget about that lets her merge with the Earth and Constantly heal. She could match his strength with that Durability Trick. But punch for punch, eventually, he would beat her ass.
(Thats the problem with using limitless strength as the yardstick for 'top tier', as Wonder Woman is clearly top tier).
Originally posted by Wally West
Well then if Wonder Woman can't match Hulk punch for punch regardless of how strong he gets, how can she be top tier in strength? I mean she wouldn't be able to match someone with the power gem either.(Thats the problem with using limitless strength as the yardstick for 'top tier', as Wonder Woman is clearly top tier).
Top Tier to me means no known upper limit. Which WW has. She has no quantifiable limit. Hulk has unlimited potential. His is different. Hulk Is like having the Powergem. So how can thanos be stronger than the hulk anyway?
Thanos is stronger than the base strength of any version of the Hulk, he doesn't have the limitless potential of the Hulk and I've never said he did. The Hulk has the POTENTIAL to be stronger than anyone, he would be a tier all to himself (and the power gem), so saying Hulk could eventually be stronger than Thanos doesn't mean Thanos isn't top tier. Hulk could surpass ANYONE.