Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Top Tier to me means no known upper limit. Which WW has. She has no quantifiable limit. Hulk has unlimited potential. His is different. Hulk Is like having the Powergem. So how can thanos be stronger than the hulk anyway?

Hulk has the potential to be stronger than Thanos; he has the potential to be stronger than anybody, other than someone wielding the power gem. Starting strength, Thanos starts way above the Hulk, and to top it off, Thanos can amp his strength even further using his cosmic power, so the Hulk would have to be extremely enraged to take on Thanos, for example as enraged as he was during the Onslaught saga.

In a fight though, Hulk would be most unlikely to be able to reach that level because:
#1) Thanos starts off stronger and would most likely K.O. the Hulk first.
#2) Thanos also has psychic powers, allowing him to either subdue the Hulk's rage or direct it towards someone else, more than likely will make the Hulk feel stupid because his combat ability and experience is far more than the Hulk.

Originally posted by Wally West
Thanos is stronger than the base strength of any version of the Hulk, he doesn't have the limitless potential of the Hulk and I've never said he did. The Hulk has the POTENTIAL to be stronger than anyone, he would be a tier all to himself (and the power gem), so saying Hulk could eventually be stronger than Thanos doesn't mean Thanos isn't top tier. Hulk could surpass ANYONE.

So how do we know thanos is actually that much stronger than any top tier given the fact that he is so durable, and skilled and has no feats of strength. People wont' even admit that Doomsday is above top tier becuz he has no feats. Some people even argued that Thor could beat Doomsday. With no feats, It's all up for speculation. All of Thanos' supposed handling of Top tiers have to do with Top tiers not in top form. So we have no way to properly gage if he is truly indeed that much stronger if at all than the top tiers.

Thanos fought warrior madness Thor w/power gem and was hang with him blow for blow, this was the same WMT w/powergem that took apart Infinity Watch and Doctor Strange,Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill to the wood shad. Thanos fought drax who was class 100 for the first time kicked his green a$$ after the planet that they where fighting on blew up. Thanos strength level is consider top tier but he rarelly fights unless he has too when he does he puts the smack down on who ever he fights.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So how do we know thanos is actually that much stronger than any top tier given the fact that he is so durable, and skilled and has no feats of strength. People wont' even admit that Doomsday is above top tier becuz he has no feats. Some people even argued that Thor could beat Doomsday. With no feats, It's all up for speculation. All of Thanos' supposed handling of Top tiers have to do with Top tiers not in top form. So we have no way to properly gage if he is truly indeed that much stronger if at all than the top tiers.

Thanos has survived a black hole, you don't call that a feat?

When you're strong enough to survive a black hole and survive a planet shattering blast and get back up, what need is there for feats? The characters that he fights, and wins against, are proof enough of his feats. Thanos is a mastermind and as such, simply showing him perform feats of strength would undermine his character and dumb him down.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Thanos has survived a black hole, you don't call that a feat?

When you're strong enough to survive a black hole and survive a planet shattering blast and get back up, what need is there for feats? The characters that he fights, and wins against, are proof enough of his feats. Thanos is a mastermind and as such, simply showing him perform feats of strength would undermine his character and dumb him down.

Surviving a black hole has been done by both wonder woman and Superman. That is a feat of Durability. Not a feat of strength.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off, Thing isn't a top tier. 2ndly, Thanos never faced drax with the PG in his right mind, That is top tier. He never faced an angry mad hulk. Top tier. Has Thanos ever faced Top tier Thor. All of these Together at one time? NOPE.

ANd exactly what kind of Backlash can you ever hope to give to me? Since you dont' own stock in MY company, you certainly can't fire me. Do you own the deed to my house or condo? nope? Do I owe you any money? There is nothing you can do that would bring about any " backlash".

As far as Diana offering to shoulder the Island, meh, so The story is 20 years old and I mixed it up a little. So what. She offered, Thus implying she had the strength to do it. The meteor in technis imperitive was much bigger than any island as Not even terra could stop it, and she plays with Earth like we play with paper weights. Diana not OnlyStopped it's fall, but simply carried it away, so you trying to disprove me on that feat in order to undermine her is defunct.

Until you can show me Thanos BEating to a PULP 3 top tiers at thier highest, then i'm not impressed. Superman can Smack Professor Hulk, That version of Thor, and Thing around. Prove to me Thanos did anything spectucular. Show me Thanos Beating Gladiator, Champion and Angry hulk and then he'll be leagues above other top tiers like you want me to believe.

1- Thing isent. But Immortal Hercules, Thor and Hulk are. Twad. And he faced these four at the same time.

Drax has been going against Thanos, way back since the 70`s. Again, you lack the knowlege. So where are your examples?

2- The backlash of anyone who exagerattes by the mile. Like jellybobes, Devil hulk, Kase and Drizzit. Or the infamious Wolverine fan on these boards.

3- Cute. Next time, dont claim things as factual that your not sure about.

4- Superman alone, could barely smack around Thor, let alone with the latter having the backup of Hulk and Hercules. And so far you still have yet to show any example of what you claimed.

So. Examples of top tiers matching up with Thanos, of being in a sore shape when they lost against him, or mind controlled. Shoot, lets see them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So how do we know thanos is actually that much stronger than any top tier given the fact that he is so durable, and skilled and has no feats of strength. People wont' even admit that Doomsday is above top tier becuz he has no feats. Some people even argued that Thor could beat Doomsday. With no feats, It's all up for speculation. All of Thanos' supposed handling of Top tiers have to do with Top tiers not in top form. So we have no way to properly gage if he is truly indeed that much stronger if at all than the top tiers.

If i beat you to a pulp, with strength alone, it means what? That im weaker?

And Doomsday *is* top tier. Why? Because he smacked top tiers around.

What is so hard to get of this topic here?

Originally posted by olympian
1- Thing isent. But Immortal Hercules, Thor and Hulk are. Twad. And he faced these four at the same time.

Drax has been going afainst Thanos, way back since the 70`s. Again, you lack the aknowlege. No mental control, for these chaps. So where is your examples?

2- The backlash of anyone who exagerattes by the mile. Like jellybobes, Devil hulk, Kase and Drizzit. Or the infamious Wolverine fan on these boards.

3- Next time, dont claim things as factual that your not sure about. Now, where the other examples?

4- Superman alone, could barely smack around Thor, let alone with the latter having the backup of Hulk and Hercules. And so far you still have yet to show any example of what you claimed.

You haven't proven that Thanos is above any top tier in strength. all you do is hurl insults becuz you know i'm right. The only thing that is provable, is that Thanos is superior in hand to hand, and superior in durability. Until there is conclusive proof that he is indeed leagues above top tiers like you want him to be, he isnt. One more thing, I don't remember Thor in those fights being all that badassed, Hulk certainly wasn't on his a game. SHow me thanos beating three top tiers on thier A game or shut up.

The pages where he smacked all these guys, dont have him showing any major figthing skills, other than brawling ones. I showed him making short work of an assault group that consisted of three top tiers.

You claim hes not stronger than any. The burden of proof falls to you. Where are the examples?

Ah, now you also claim that Hulk and Thor werent at theyr A game. Good. Show proof of that too.

Ill be waiting.

Originally posted by olympian
The pages where he smacked all these guys, dont have him showing any major figthing skills, other than brawling ones. I showed him making short work of an assault group that consisted of three top tiers.

You claim hes not stronger than any. The burden of proof falls to you. Where are the examples?

Ah, now you also claim that Hulk and Thor werent at theyr A game. Good. Show proof of that too.

Ill be waiting.

It wasn't any savage or angry hulk. It certainly wasn't Thor in his celestial beating, Galactus repelling mode. I don't need proof. It wasn't them at thier A game. YOu can wait till the cows come home.

Ha! Olympian compared him to Jelly!

Olympian, are you on SHC?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You haven't proven that Thanos is above any top tier in strength. all you do is hurl insults becuz you know i'm right. The only thing that is provable, is that Thanos is superior in hand to hand, and superior in durability. Until there is conclusive proof that he is indeed leagues above top tiers like you want him to be, he isnt. One more thing, I don't remember Thor in those fights being all that badassed, Hulk certainly wasn't on his a game. SHow me thanos beating three top tiers on thier A game or shut up.

so let me get this right. U believe that when superman and thor fight and supes can barely better thor at anytime with full blown hits, then thanos beats thor down hard with the same style attacks and the results r always devestating even when hes fighting multiple top teir opponants at the same time, u think after using a proving comparison like that which people have told u tons of times that he isn't out of their leagues. come on man use ur head already and think about it

Originally posted by thanospimphand
so let me get this right. U believe that when superman and thor fight and supes can barely better thor at anytime with full blown hits, then thanos beats thor down hard with the same style attacks and the results r always devestating even when hes fighting multiple top teir opponants at the same time, u think after using a proving comparison like that which people have told u tons of times that he isn't out of their leagues. come on man use ur head already and think about it

Thanos isn't beating three top tiers in superman lvl range. He's beating Thor, PRofessor hulk, and Thing. At least Despero Beat Superman, CM, and WW. That makes me think of stronger than especially for those three. I"m using my head, and I"m questioning what everyone else thinks is just status quo. I"m never going to just go with the crowd cuz it's popular. Any way, in this thread, I have given thanos the victory already.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So how do we know thanos is actually that much stronger than any top tier given the fact that he is so durable, and skilled and has no feats of strength. People wont' even admit that Doomsday is above top tier becuz he has no feats. Some people even argued that Thor could beat Doomsday. With no feats, It's all up for speculation. All of Thanos' supposed handling of Top tiers have to do with Top tiers not in top form. So we have no way to properly gage if he is truly indeed that much stronger if at all than the top tiers.

DD is clearly above the conventional top tier, since he generally smacks them around whenever he shows up.

Same reason why Thanos is clearly above the top tier.

He smacks around Surfer, Drax, Thor and Hulk and Herc. All top tiers.

How is it debateable that Thanos is stronger than Superman, who's a top tier himself?

Would you say Darkseid isn't above the top tier in strength, even though history supports him being above them normally?

You wanna know the tell tale sign of someone being above the next?

If you read comics, the brute powerhouses tend to give the ultimate disrespect in backhanding a hero away.

See Thanos doing it to Hulk and Drax, and see Darkseid back handing Superman to the floor in S/B?

Thats the clear sign of physical superiority.

And yeah, going by his history, Thanos would backhand the hell outta Black Adam, Cap and Superman.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Ok.
[B]
Fair enough. Can you also say why ? Superman is stronger, at least as durable and much much faster.

So maybe it's me, but it seems a bit illogical to vote for the weaker person. Or is it because Thanos "is da man" ?

So I explained why Superman would win : stronger, at least as durable and lots faster. Superman has the better cards here.

I would like to hear how exactly Thanos would beat Superman without prep or without PIS ? If Superman uses a fraction of his brain, Thanos won't even be able to touch him.

So, how will Thanos beat a stronger, a flying and a faster opponent ? Please, no lame ABC comparisons like "Dude he beat Surfer and Surfer is above Superman" or "Dude it's freaking Thanos are you insane ?"

I want acceptable reasons. I think this is not unreasonable.

Agreed.

This thread has been done so many times though.

It all boils down to who has the best jobber aura on that given day anyway.

Or who pays the writer off better.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos isn't beating three top tiers in superman lvl range. He's beating Thor, PRofessor hulk, and Thing. At least Despero Beat Superman, CM, and WW. That makes me think of stronger than especially for those three. I"m using my head, and I"m questioning what everyone else thinks is just status quo. I"m never going to just go with the crowd cuz it's popular. Any way, in this thread, I have given thanos the victory already.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well, it's not cannon so it doesn't really count, but he DID knock around WW and Captain Marvel at the same time for a couple panels in Marvel vs DC.

You forgot Kyle Rayner as well.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You forgot Kyle Rayner as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It wasn't any savage or angry hulk. It certainly wasn't Thor in his celestial beating, Galactus repelling mode.

So what are you trying to get at? He handed four bricks, 3 were top tier. And Thor isn't always Celestial beating or Galactus repelling; in fact Thor won those under specific circumstances and not under just his own might. If you really think Thor can actually take Galactus or a Celestial than get out of here and stop posting in this thread.

I don't need proof. It wasn't them at thier A game. YOu can wait till the cows come home. [/B]

How wasn't it their A game? Four guys against one. What about Blood and Thunder version of Thor? He ran through Surfer, Strange, and the Infinity Watch and had to be BF. Thanos alone stood toe to toe and brawled with him evenly. Are you going to tell me that Warrior Madness Thor WASN'T at his A game even with the Power Gem?

Surfer is top tier but lost.
Bill is top tier and lost.
Drax is top tier and lost.
Maxam is top tier and lost.

So I like to see how you can say WM Thor is anything but above top tier.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So what are you trying to get at? He handed four bricks, 3 were top tier. And Thor isn't always Celestial beating or Galactus repelling; in fact Thor won those under specific circumstances and not under just his own might. If you really think Thor can actually take Galactus or a Celestial than get out of here and stop posting in this thread.

How wasn't it their A game? Four guys against one. What about Blood and Thunder version of Thor? He ran through Surfer, Strange, and the Infinity Watch and had to be BF. Thanos alone stood toe to toe and brawled with him evenly. Are you going to tell me that Warrior Madness Thor WASN'T at his A game even with the Power Gem?

Surfer is top tier but lost.
Bill is top tier and lost.
Drax is top tier and lost.
Maxam is top tier and lost.

So I like to see how you can say WM Thor is anything but above top tier.

IT's called Thanos Job Aura. Becuz Thanos beats surfer, who beats morg, who is a match for thanos hand to hand. THANOS HAS job aura. period.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT's called Thanos Job Aura. Becuz Thanos beats surfer, who beats morg, who is a match for thanos hand to hand. THANOS HAS job aura. period.

Catalogued.