Yoda vs. Exar Kun

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Kadesh Restricted

sorry for double post, the only way i see exar kun handing vaders ass to him is either through lightsaber combat or "teh" amulet blasts which he never bothers to use in any battle against a force user.

Besides "teh" amulet blasts legend, what other force powers has he demonstrated? He never uses lightning, he never uses grip all i seen him is using force push and vaders force wave in eaw KILLS.
I dont see exar kun having the techniques to block out vaders dark side force power attacks.

Again even if kun did have a defence, would it be effective? Qoordis also knew techniques to block grip and dark side powers yet he couldnt use them when bane choked him to to death.

So how is exar going to beat vaders ass? By the amulets of cource which vader cant defend or through lightsaber combat.

Now about anakin? Same thing, anakin would beat vader in a saber fight but no way in a force fight

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
Do you really hate vader that much s_w_legend?

Palpatine stated that vaders limitations were mental, not physical due to his injuries, you fail.

And its bullshit legend, Vaders force mastery completely triumphs over anakins, Do you want me to list down the feats?

Dookus case does not prove vader would get "pwned" in a saber battle most likely id give it to anakin but an all out fight?


Vader is one of my favourite characters from the movies. But Anakin was really getting strong and we have seen that what he could do in ROTS.

He was agile, fast, could Jump and strike with amazing precision and over-power his enemies. Dooku's mastery in the Force was greater then that of Anakin but that did not gave him advantage because Anakin's raw power exceeded that of Dooku and his saber skills were better.

Cyborg Vader will be defeated by Anakin, despite his improved mastery in the Force but it would be a tough challenge.

Though I believe that fights in Star Wars are dynamic in nature and not black and white as portrayed by some. So Cyborg Vader might get the advantage in a very favourable condition in which Anakin is not thinking clearly. I believe that OT Vader has more experience but still Anakin will gain victory if he is fully focusing.

Kadesh Restricted

I dont think so, vader has done things with the force anakin could never do,

Vader has killed enemies faster and more agile than he was like a reborn darth maul, The dark woman, and possibly roan shryne.

And i doubt OT vader gets beaten by anakin easily, i already said through lightsaber battle yes but in a force fight? i doubt it, it would be vader > anakin.

Vader knows what anakin is, how anakin fights, what are his weakness. what are his strategies, even if anakin did focus, it wouldnt prevent him from getting killed with the force

Do you want to know what vader really is on the battlefied? He has crushed tanks, killed dozens of soldiers with a force wave and many more, you think anakin is going to beat him in an all out fight because zomg he is so fast!, No, again being fast like that wont help you against the force

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
I dont think so, vader has done things with the force anakin could never do,

This line can be applied to Dooku as well. Dooku also has demonstrated impressive mastery in the Force. He could use Force Grip on a Jedi and throw that Jedi far away. He could lift heavy objects and throw them at others. He could use Force Lightning as well and was agile as well.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Vader has killed enemies faster and more agile than he was like a reborn darth maul, The dark woman, and possibly roan shryne.

None of these characters are a match for Anakin Skywalker (ROTS).

Originally posted by Kadesh
And i doubt OT vader gets beaten by anakin easily, i already said through lightsaber battle yes but in a force fight? i doubt it, it would be vader > anakin.

My statement is already clear: Cyborg Vader will be defeated by Anakin, despite his improved mastery in the Force but it would be a tough challenge.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Vader knows what anakin is, how anakin fights, what are his weakness. what are his strategies, even if anakin did focus, it wouldnt prevent him from getting killed with the force

He does knows this but he can't match Anakin's agility, speed and Saber skills blade-to-blade. Though he will put up a better fight then Dooku because he has amazing strength.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Do you want to know what vader really is on the battlefied? He has crushed tanks, killed dozens of soldiers with a force wave and many more, you think anakin is going to beat him in an all out fight because zomg he is so fast!, No, again being fast like that wont help you against the force

Dooku was also impressive when it came to pure Force contest. He was stalemating Yoda in this case, who is more powerful then any Jedi in PT period. But Anakin still defeated him.

Now Vader also has advantage over Anakin in mastery of Force but I don't see that giving him the ultimate edge in Combat. Still I believe that OT Vader will be a tough/difficult challenge for Anakin.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This line can be applied to Dooku as well. Dooku also has demonstrated impressive mastery in the Force. He could use Force Grip on a Jedi and throw that Jedi far away. He could lift heavy objects and throw them at others. He could use Force Lightning as well and was agile as well.
Did he have time to use any force powers during the last fight against anakin? Anakin defeated him inpure lightsaber match and clearly anakin had the edge to to his agility and skillfulness, Had dooku even been able to use the force it could have turned out differently

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

None of these characters are a match for Anakin Skywalker (ROTS).
By your logic if any body is faster than vader means vader is going to get pwned
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

My statement is already clear: Cyborg Vader will be defeated by Anakin, despite his improved mastery in the Force but it would be a [b]tough challenge.[/B]
And you didnt get my point, anakin doesnt have a defence to powers which can kill dozens of people on the battlefield and let alone powers which can destroy an entire tank the size of an AT-AT with ease. Dooku proved force grip worked on a user and obi wan couldnt defend against that attack, dooku also used grip on the foundations on the pillar to cause it to crash on anakin and obi wan, Crush is grip on a much bigger scale, again i point out, Qoordis knew techniques to defend against this technique, yet he couldnt use them, and vaders force grip is mastered to its highest degree

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

He does knows this but he can't match his agility, speed and Saber skills blade-to-blade. Though he will put better fight then Dooku because he has amazing strength.
And you think he will go forward to contend with anakin in lightssaber skills? Of course he knows he would get his ass wiped, he would resort to the force and his sorroundings to crush anakin with it. I admit anakin would beat vader in pure saber combat

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Dooku was also impressive when it came to pure Force contest. He was stalemating Yoda in this case, who is more powerful then any Jedi in PT period. But Anakin still dedeated him.
Did i mention dooku could not use the force? and acording to the novel he tried to go against anakin strength to strength which is also one reason his got his ass wiped apart from being anakin more skill full?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Now Vader also has advantage over Anakin in mastery of Force but I don't see that giving him the ultimate edge in Combat. Still I believe that OT Vader will be a more tough challenge for Anakin.

That givs him an edge, anakin is a lightsaber expert while he doesnt use force powers that often, vader is more of a force expert, and he has 20 years of dark side knowledge, he would know every way to kill anakin with the force

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vader is the undisputed most underrated character in star wars, Thats the whole damm reason why i argue on his part

Sexyback Restricted

No, Vader's perfectly rated, we can see how much he sucks in the OT, arm me with a vibroblade, and I'm confident I'd beat him.

Darth Sexy Restricted

idiots. Vader as a machine would still be more than a match for any of the most powerful Jedi. His mastery of the force is exceptional and he's not TOO shabby with a blade for a robot.

Sexyback Restricted

I listen to you, but then I watch the movie, and I'm very confident that I'd annihilate Vader in a swordfight.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Vader is eighty percent of the strongest Sith ever, and you're an idiotic fanboy.

Sexyback Restricted

In respect to force potential, dumbass.

General Kenobl [:::::{============)

Planet, Vader was confirmed to be 80% of Sidious.

Darth Subjekt The beginning of the end.

not potential...actual level.

Lightsnake Senior Member

You were saying, Planet?

Sexyback Restricted

LOL, you do realise that those people are only going by what you've said, right? Now how about providing the exact quote, and explaining how it refers to overall combat prowess, because I've already made a very good argument (for a rough version of the quote that Kadesh provided) for it being potential, which you never replied to btw, lol!

Lightsnake Senior Member

Lol! You did no such thing! Lol! You're a liar who's been shot down dozens of times! Lol! I've provided the quote numerous tiems as people on this board can attest to! Lol!

Sexyback Restricted

OK, if those 'lol!'s are an attempt to take the piss, that's very unesecary and uncalled for Lightsnake. Now name one time I've lied! Oh you can't, can you, so whoops, but sorry, you fail (not nice is it)!

Lightsnake Senior Member

I've named numerous ones!

"Lucas never said that!" Bam, proven wrong..
"Freedon Nadd is the Chosen One!" Bam, proven wrong!"
"It never says that in this soriuce!" Bam, proven wrong, with direct quotes and poage numbers, courtesy of escape.

You're pathetic and you're not welcome here. I treat you with all you deserve.

Sexyback Restricted

1. How about posting a link, and putting that into context, dumbass. However, I'm pretty sure what you're talking about, and a lie =/ a mistake.

2. Lie =/ mistake, and it was pretty obvious that I wasn't being serious on the topic.

3. How about posting a link, and putting that into context, dumbass, but I can tell you now that you're not going to, because that never happened. Prove me wrong though.

And please, you've constantly been caught out on lies, don't be a moron.
Also, rumour has it that you're whining like a b1tch at EoD too.

Lightsnake Senior Member

1. How about we've done ALL OF THAT, YOU FREAKING IDIOT! Me, Advent AND Escape! Links, quotes, ****ING DVD COMMENTARY!
2. Bullshit! You knew perfectly well1
3. Again: Already done, dolt

And constantly caught in lies? Hahahah, by YOU? Only mysteriously when you started being wrong! And rumor has it, I'm owning your pathetic fanboy ass everywhere

Sexyback Restricted

Well I lurk at EoD, and it's pretty clear you're getting merked with words. By the way, are you like middle aged homo or something, because judging by the way you curse, methinks that is the case.