Yoda vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by Kadesh
Question, what defence does kun have to a crush? And when did we see kun use amulet blasts on a force user? True it made a hole in a temple wall, So? Vader destroyed Tanks as big as an AT-AT and used a waterfall to drown a jedi. And where does it state he cant block lightning blasts? He used force shield to block blaster fire, a technique which can block lightning, O remember the link? Vader caught the bolt and threw it back? Dooku did the same exact thing, just that he threw back his own lightning after yoda threw it at him, Again No where does it state vader cant block lightning. He dies if he comes into contact with lighning, and clearly the force shields him from that

Around 3.5 ABY, Vader had ordered ASP-19 droids, lightsaber combat droids based off the ASP-series droid, to be produced to fight him in sparring matches. They were faster and stronger than an ordinary man, and programmed with the knowledge of a hundred sword masters and a dozen fighting styles. Vader defeated them time and again, and thus ordered new, improved batches of them. As his finesse improved, they became too easy to defeat, even in a two-on-one match. This alone proves how good vader is at dueling. Notice the keywords, stronger than an ordinary man and [B]programmed with the knowledge of a hunderd sword masters ?

Again if its ok i ask, what makes kun > vader in saber abilities alone[/quote]
First, what sword masters are all these droids programmed from? It can't be Jedi since all the Jedi were either dead or hiding, so that's not a really good example. Secondly, Kun was the best duelist in the KOTOR era, had a unique blade and style, and was human. I would say those traits would make him defeat Vader in saber combat.

This alone proves vaders skill with the saber
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=083 [/B]

Darth Sexy, I had to edit out that picture due to the uncensored swearing. You know how that works, please don't do it.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What do you mean what defense does Kun have? Kun is a powerful force user, so how would Vader be able to just lift him off the ground and do that. A better example would be, any Jedi can force persuade a normal being, yet it takes a very powerful Jedi to force persuade another Jedi. Same way Kun won't be able to do a stasis field on Vader since Vader is a powerful force user.
Now all the feats you've mentioned don't explain how Vader is going to stop a blast more powerful than force lightning, which would kill Vader. It doesn't have to state that Vader can't block lightning. We know he can't use it and we know his systems will fail if it hits him, as shown by his death after throwing Sidious down the shaft. Now, the Dooku example is much different, considering he was throwing back Yoda's reflection of his own lightning. Not to mention Dooku is HUMAN, therefore he can conjure up force lightning and possibly defend against it.

How bout a metaphor, A cellphone will not work if you drop it into the water right? But its a machine! it will break when u drop it into the water!
As you are so found of speaking that vader will die when he gets hit by the lightning. Take the cell phone put it into an plastic bag, shut it airtight, drop it into the water, does it break? No because the water doesnt reach the cell phone thus not breaking it

Get it now? The lightning would not harm vader due to the layer of the force he can generate

Vader dies when he comes into direct contact with the lightning, Not when he uses to force to shield himself

Want another example? We all would die horribly if we went into a radioactive area, And we would have to wear a suit to protect us right?
But we would die if we come into contact with it! Correct, But we have the suit to protect us? As vader has that force technique

And that is due to a force shield, Your favourite book POD proved how it worked and its exactly what vader did in the links

Now how is he going to kill exar kun? Does exar kun have a defence to force crush? No he doesnt, Does vader have a defence to the blast? No he doesnt so the battle could go either way but has kun ever used a blast on a force user? No he didnt. And vader doesnt toy with his opponents, he kills them and he makes sure he does, Again being a force user or not doesnt mean shit if you dont have a defence to force crush, Do you even know how crush works? The entire force around you pushes inwards towards the center crushing every inch of your body, weather you are a force user or not, it doesnt matter if you dont have a defence. And vader popped somebodys head with that technique.

Just because we didnt see it on a force user doesnt mean it wont work, Has luke ever used emerald lightning to kill a force user? I dont think so

All those feats i listed proved vader > Exar.

Tell me, what have we seen exar do to a force user?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

I can just as well say "Well Kun knows what VADER is capable of so HE will be ready". It just doesn't work.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

And as a robot, his skill has limits that other fully functional people don't.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

First, what sword masters are all these droids programmed from?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

It can't be Jedi since all the Jedi were either dead or hiding, so that's not a really good example. Secondly, Kun was the best duelist in the KOTOR era, had a unique blade and style, and was human. I would say those traits would make him defeat Vader in saber combat.

Unique blade and style? Name the lightsaber form please,
Vader has his own "unique and style" it could also go the other way

I think Exar would have the upper hand until his arrogance gets in the way then Yoda stabs him through the heart. No more Kun.

Exar Kun would wipe his ass with Darth Vader, I don't even know how that's up for debate.

Oh thank you, someone with common sense.

Kadesh, Anakin was a powerful Jedi (as shown in ROTS) but after becoming half machine, he lost his true potential, agility and speed that he once had.

A good example is that Anakin over-powered and defeated Dooku in combat in Invisible Hand Capital Ship (as shown in ROTS). And it is understood that Dooku was a perfect Jedi in every sense. He was a fine Force adept and a master duelist. But this was not enough to stop Anakin.

OT Vader despite gaining more strength and more command in Force is still at a great disadvantage against Anakin Skywalker. Dooku's case proves this.

He will loose to Exar Kun in combat because Exar Kun does not have any such disadvantages and Exar Kun was also a fine Force adept and a master duelist and it is believed that Exar Kun > Dooku.

And defeating Droids is not a big thing. Anakin Skywalker would have easily wiped those droids in few seconds.

Just my 2 cents.

It is believed? That's your argument? Dooku was the greatest loss in the history of the Jedi order, that includes Exar.

Exar Kun would win.

Agreed, Exar Kun pwns him.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It is believed? That's your argument? Dooku was the greatest loss in the history of the Jedi order, that includes Exar.

Except you can't fully explain HOW that statement is judged or read, nor can you explain how that would put Dooku ahead of Kun. But by your logic, he must be superior to Kun since he's PT.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except you can't fully explain HOW that statement is judged or read, nor can you explain how that would put Dooku ahead of Kun. But by your logic, he must be superior to Kun since he's PT.

Dooku was considered the most bitter loss to the Order due to his strength in the Force, according to the complete visual guide.

What page?

Originally posted by Sexyback
What page?

I'm at my Mom's. It's in the Attack of the Clones section with Count Dooku, in the excerpt about the Lost Twenty.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It is believed? That's your argument? Dooku was the greatest loss in the history of the Jedi order, that includes Exar.

Dooku was a gifted Jedi for Jedi Order in his age and Exar Kun was a gifted Jedi for Jedi Order in his age. Dooku might be the biggest loss in the history of the Jedi Order but this points towards his Jedi mastery, importance and experience, when he left the Jedi Order.

Dooku might be a better Jedi then Exar Kun. I can understand this because Dooku was a Jedi Master as well and he trained the likes of Qui-Gon, who proved to be one of the best Jedi in PT period.

But Exar Kun left the Jedi Order as a Jedi Knight and so he would be far less experienced then Dooku as a Jedi.

But I am talking about the case when both these Jedi became Sith Lords. Dooku became more powerful then before and so did Exar Kun.

But it is believed that Exar Kun was even more powerful then Dooku as a Sith. It is true that Amulets gave Exar some advantage but over-all he was better as he gained terrible powers from Yavin IV through powerful Ancient Sith. And his achievements in his time even surpass that of Dooku.

If you still have doubts then it is your own opinion but it is yet to be proven that Dooku > Exar as a Sith.

Exar Kun was a nobody padawan when he left the order.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Exar Kun was a nobody padawan when he left the order.

Again: Dooku was the most grievous loss to the Jedi in their history and that includes people like Xendor and Ruin.

And that statement means what in a versus thread? Nothing as usual lightsnake.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kadesh, Anakin was a powerful Jedi (as shown in ROTS) but after becoming half machine, he lost his true potential, agility and speed that he once had.

OT Vader despite gaining more strength and more command in Force is still at a great disadvantage against Anakin Skywalker. Dooku's case proves this.

He will loose to Exar Kun in combat because Exar Kun does not have any such disadvantages and Exar Kun was also a fine Force adept and a master duelist and it is believed that Exar Kun > Dooku.

And defeating Droids is not a big thing. Anakin Skywalker would have easily wiped those droids in few seconds.

Palpatine stated that vaders limitations were mental, not physical due to his injuries, you fail.

And its bullshit legend, Vaders force mastery completely triumphs over anakins, Do you want me to list down the feats?

Dookus case does not prove vader would get "pwned" in a saber battle most likely id give it to anakin but an all out fight?