Yoda vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't mean to be mean lightsnake but are you braindead? Your use of logic flies out the window when you establish yourself to be a KOTOR fanboy.. So here it is

Logic>Fanboyism and stupidity. Something you're showing more and more daily.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm the KOTOR fanboy here?
Hm, seems the one with the brain can't even remember what he's talking about

Says the guy who can't argue intelligently. Shhh, it's ok

Palpatine>Kun! NEC, Complete Visual Dictionary, DE Sourcebook....sorry!
And so you are pwned, boy!

Destroying your pathetic attempts at an argument has never been easier. But you know what the social outcasts usually do. Sit there lying to themselves so they don't go into deep depression. Way to go jackass, you're a joke🙂

No, its what vader has shown us, and Kun isnt close to palpatine while vader is

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Awww that is SOOO Cute lightsnake. You have to go into the defense mechanism of claiming to be calm and pointing out minor mistakes to make yourself feel better. Way to go sport, I can see why you spend your time crying and bitching online.

Destroying your pathetic attempts at an argument has never been easier. But you know what the social outcasts usually do. Sit there lying to themselves so they don't go into deep depression. Way to go jackass, you're a joke🙂

God knows it's the only thing that'd work

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wait, wait, wait....projection much? My dear, whiny, antisocial little DS, I'm remaining calm right now while you're the one too upset to use proper sentence structure

[Qupte]
Destroying your pathetic attempts at an argument has never been easier. But you know what the social outcasts usually do. Sit there lying to themselves so they don't go into deep depression. Way to go jackass, you're a joke🙂 [/QUOTE]
Yet you never destroy it and always rely on the social outcast thing!
If I didn't know any better I'd say you were just trying to put people down again because it makes you feel like a man.

God knows it's the only thing that'd work [/B][/QUOTE]

Lets see, you've proven to be a pathetic social outcast, so I don't have to fall back on it, it's true. Your arguments are a joke, and so are you, but keep crying, I enjoy the amusement.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
AHAHAHAHAH Projection? I state something, you repeat it back to me, and then you accuse me of projecting? Yep, denial from the social outcast.. WAY to go dumbass, you're really making yourself look dumber than usual. What a loser lol.

Destroying your pathetic attempts at an argument has never been easier. But you know what the social outcasts usually do. Sit there lying to themselves so they don't go into deep depression. Way to go jackass, you're a joke🙂

God knows it's the only thing that'd work [/B][/QUOTE]

Lets see, you've proven to be a pathetic social outcast, so I don't have to fall back on it, it's true. Your arguments are a joke, and so are you, but keep crying, I enjoy the amusement. [/B][/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How does that put Vader>Kun? You do realize Kun is superior to Vader right? Do you have any details on the amulet? You do know that not all amulets are the same right? Some of you seem to think that more sources=more power.

Because kun isnt close to palpatine in power and vader is, What other things has kun shown us besides teh amulet blast and that gay ass stasis field? Vader has done things far stronger and far better than kun could ever do. He used an entire waterfall to drown the dark woman, He tore a redwood tree from the ground and pounded the dark woman to death, He did the same thing to roan shryne, throwing a huge tree at him. Vader utterly destroyed a rebel tank the size of an ATAT in a matter of seconds and according to Jollyjim, vader popped some ones heard or something in some box or what ever

Originally posted by Kadesh
Because kun isnt close to palpatine in power and vader is, What other things has kun shown us besides teh amulet blast and that gay ass stasis field? Vader has done things far stronger and far better than kun could ever do. He used an entire waterfall to drown the dark woman, He tore a redwood tree from the ground and pounded the dark woman to death, He did the same thing to roan shryne, throwing a huge tree at him. Vader utterly destroyed a rebel tank the size of an ATAT in a matter of seconds and according to Jollyjim, vader popped some ones heard or something in some box or what ever

What makes you think Kun isn't? I would put my money on Kun against suited Vader any day. I would say Kun is very close to Sidious in power, at least by ROTJ, not DE. Vader has done a lot more yes, but there are just more sources on him, and Kun didn't live too long. Kun showed immense power himself, so I'm not sure where you have a valid argument here.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What makes you think Kun isn't? I would put my money on Kun against suited Vader any day. I would say Kun is very close to Sidious in power, at least by ROTJ, not DE. Vader has done a lot more yes, but there are just more sources on him, and Kun didn't live too long. Kun showed immense power himself, so I'm not sure where you have a valid argument here.

And what make you think kun is? Sure put your money on kun and lose, GL stated vader is 80% as powerful as sidious of ROTJ whom is stronger than ROTS sidious, FOC proved this big time that palpatine grew stronger during the OT and wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of sidious in ROTS whom has already been declared the strongest sith lord ever?

Originally posted by Kadesh
And what make you think kun is? Sure put your money on kun and lose, GL stated vader is 80% as powerful as sidious of ROTJ whom is stronger than ROTS sidious, FOC proved this big time that palpatine grew stronger during the OT and wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of sidious in ROTS whom has already been declared the strongest sith lord ever?

Yes, Vader is 80% of Sidious, but you have no idea where Kun is. He could be more, he could be less. In terms of lightsaber abilities I would easily give it to Kun. IN terms of force mastery, even though Kun could be close to Vader, Vader has had time and practice so I would give it to him. It would be an interesting fight. Especially if you add in Kun's amulet blasts, which I doubt Vader could stop.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, Vader is 80% of Sidious, but you have no idea where Kun is. He could be more, he could be less. In terms of lightsaber abilities I would easily give it to Kun. IN terms of force mastery, even though Kun could be close to Vader, Vader has had time and practice so I would give it to him. It would be an interesting fight. Especially if you add in Kun's amulet blasts, which I doubt Vader could stop.

We dont know exars form and RODV proved vaders custamised djem so is remarkably effective and highly unpredictable, What has kun done with the lightsaber which is impressive? Vader carved up an entire army of wookies

And i doubt the amulet blasts could help, Vader demonstrated that he could freeze bolts mid air and throw it back at his stormtroopers in Empire comics, Jollyjim posted this link. And even if vader cant do that to the blast, he still can divert it as he did to those bolts.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=064

This link proves how deadly his force push can be, and it clearly trumps over exar kuns force push on that 1000 year old jedi

Originally posted by Kadesh
We dont know exars form and RODV proved vaders custamised djem so is remarkably effective and highly unpredictable, What has kun done with the lightsaber which is impressive? Vader carved up an entire army of wookies

And i doubt the amulet blasts could help, Vader demonstrated that he could freeze bolts mid air and throw it back at his stormtroopers in Empire comics, Jollyjim posted this link. And even if vader cant do that to the blast, he still can divert it as he did to those bolts.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=064

This link proves how deadly his force push can be, and it clearly trumps over exar kuns force push on that 1000 year old jedi

Kun's form is unique as his saber was the 1st of its kind. He can use it with more mobility than Maul or anyone else because of the shorter blades. Kun was unmatched with the saber in the kotor times. Vader CANNOT freeze the damn amulet blast lol. This isn't a simple rifle blast. It's a blast that made a hole in the Massassi temple. So if he DOES get it off Vader is screwed. However, I'll be a man and admit he's never used it in a fight and if he has to use it, there's little chance that he can integrate such a powerful blast with his saber dueling, so he'd probably get sliced while in the process of using the amulet.

ok then vader cant freeze the amulets, he still can throw up a shield, a shield different from luke shield in DE who absorbs, Vaders shield diverts attacks, If he can do it to bolts, why cant he do it to lightning or the amulet blast? He still used the force to do so, to defend

Originally posted by Kadesh
ok then vader cant freeze the amulets, he still can throw up a shield, a shield different from luke shield in DE who absorbs, Vaders shield diverts attacks, If he can do it to bolts, why cant he do it to lightning or the amulet blast? He still used the force to do so, to defend

Bro, you can't compare force created blasts without limits, to AT-AT blasts. You're looking at different properties here. Vader can't stop a lightning blast because it'll kill him, so it's more than likely he can't stop a MUCH more powerful amulet blast.

Bullshit, he used the force to shield against blaster fire in this link, he clearly used the force to do so, And how is lightning going to hit him if he can do this feat? No where does it indicate in RODV or the visual that vader CANNOT block lightning, it only said he is vulnerable to it and cannot create it

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=002

And the next page shows that vader turns the bolt into raw energy and uses it to tear the head of the storm trooper

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=003

Originally posted by Kadesh
Bullshit, he used the force to shield against blaster fire in this link, he clearly used the force to do so, And how is lightning going to hit him if he can do this feat? No where does it indicate in RODV or the visual that vader CANNOT block lightning, it only said he is vulnerable to it and cannot create it

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=002

And the next page shows that vader turns the bolt into raw energy and uses it to tear the head of the storm trooper

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=003

He used the force against blaster fire. Blaster fire and force created blasts have entirely different properties, and Kun's blast increases exponentially with his rage. It's very unlikely that Vader, in his suit, can stop a blast that made a hole in the Massassi temple. And again you're missing the point. Vader CANNOT block it because he's a damn robot. If it hits him anywhere, it's going to fry his system, so he CANNOT block it.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
He used the force against blaster fire. Blaster fire and force created blasts have entirely different properties, and Kun's blast increases exponentially with his rage. It's very unlikely that Vader, in his suit, can stop a blast that made a hole in the Massassi temple. And again you're missing the point. Vader CANNOT block it because he's a damn robot. If it hits him anywhere, it's going to fry his system, so he CANNOT block it.

So? the force Blocks both blaster fire and force powers weather or not they are of different properties, Ballistic shields can block gun fire, they can also block melee strikes, get my point?
And you think vader cant sense weather exar kun is going to use the amulet? Vader can use force crush before exar even uses the amulet, And his version of force crush was mastered to a degree where it destroyed a military tank the size of an AT-AT in a matter of seconds , not to mention he can use that force push on exar to knock his concentration before firing the amulet,

Face it, it is obvious vader knows the sith war and he knows exar kun, about the amulet about the stasis field and vader would think of his plan, Dont forget that vader is capable of being quick enough to pull debris strong enough to block the blast

Originally posted by Kadesh
So? the force Blocks both blaster fire and force powers weather or not they are of different properties, Ballistic shields can block gun fire, they can also block melee strikes, get my point?
And you think vader cant sense weather exar kun is going to use the amulet? Vader can use force crush before exar even uses the amulet, And his version of force crush was mastered to a degree where it destroyed a military tank the size of an AT-AT in a matter of seconds , not to mention he can use that force push on exar to knock his concentration before firing the amulet,

Face it, it is obvious vader knows the sith war and he knows exar kun, about the amulet about the stasis field and vader would think of his plan, Dont forget that vader is capable of being quick enough to pull debris strong enough to block the blast [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
When did we see Vader use a force crush against a force user? And no, I don't believe Vader can block amulet blasts, since he can't block lightning blasts.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Again with these hypothetical situations. "Well Vader must know this this and that". You can't use that in a debate dude.
as a robot stands a better than average chance at beating Kun.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

If it comes down to blades, Kun owns him. If it come down to raw force abilities, Vader even as a robot stands a better than average chance at beating Kun.

How bout this quote? Which JA and Shadows of the empire backs up

Around 3.5 ABY, Vader had ordered ASP-19 droids, lightsaber combat droids based off the ASP-series droid, to be produced to fight him in sparring matches. They were faster and stronger than an ordinary man, and programmed with the knowledge of a hundred sword masters and a dozen fighting styles. Vader defeated them time and again, and thus ordered new, improved batches of them. As his finesse improved, they became too easy to defeat, even in a two-on-one match. This alone proves how good vader is at dueling. Notice the keywords, stronger than an ordinary man and programmed with the knowledge of a hunderd sword masters ?

Again if its ok i ask, what makes kun > vader in saber abilities alone

This alone proves vaders skill with the saber
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=083