Originally posted by Howard_Jonesthat did not help him last tiem they went heads up.
When he has an unbreakable shield. Yes, it is unlikely.
also shield means nothing it helps you defend how ever if he wants to win thsi he going to have to strike and open him self up and logan can take what ever he can give.
logan has the higher reflexes and agility. he has greater stamina. He more durableand has a healing factor that can take a crap load of damage. He also the superior fighter
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I think he's refering to this:
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From these scans it look like wolverine could have tackled namor and us agent because us agent ran like a little whore. His attack didnt do nothing but make wolverine mad and he knew that he was in a losing battle thats why he left asap and then he blind sided wolverine while he was fighting namor, I didnt see a victory in that fight, I seen someone run like a little girl thanking ghost rider for getting him out there in the time that he did. I sensed fear in us agent, I wish that he went hand to hand with him, he would have lost just like namor was losing.
Like i said and like im going to continue to say --
wolverine 10 out of 10
Originally posted by capt it up
that did not help him last tiem they went heads up.also shield means nothing it helps you defend how ever if he wants to win thsi he going to have to strike and open him self up and logan can take what ever he can give.
logan has the higher reflexes and agility. he has greater stamina. He more durableand has a healing factor that can take a crap load of damage. He also the superior fighter
Superior fighter is debatable. Logan usually sticks to his brawler style rather than going on his background of martial arts. It's when the initial style doesn't work he uses the more complex stuff he knows. USAgent on the other hand was trained by Taskmaster, and uses the same style that Captain America uses, but is about ten times more aggresive, and much stronger. I don't remember Wolverine ever getting a hit on Cap.
If wolverine ever land a lick off of captain america than the fight is over but i have witnessed plenty of times wolverine landing licks off of the captain. When they fight wolverine is the most dominant in the fight. In comics, if you pit superman against captain america, they will have captain america winning because thats who he is, the person who always win but that same category dont fall for us agent, I wish it did but it didnt and if they ever fight wolverine is going to kill him.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Superior fighter is debatable. Logan usually sticks to his brawler style rather than going on his background of martial arts.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
It's when the initial style doesn't work he uses the more complex stuff he knows. USAgent on the other hand was trained by Taskmaster, and uses the same style that Captain America uses, but is about ten times more aggresive, and much stronger. I don't remember Wolverine ever getting a hit on Cap.
Originally posted by capt it up
You don’t read a lot of wolverine do you? Logan takes the hits because he knows he can. His shots are always extremely accurate. He also tends to see far more skill while fighting skilled opponets such as shang-chi.
I said that already. I actually know a lot about Wolverine. I just don't give him more credit than he's due.
Originally posted by capt it up
Capt style no better then logans. Hell logan been compliment by stick. He been trained by ogun the bests swordsmen to ever live. His training and experience dwarfs that of USAgent.
Eh, that's debatable as well. Taskmaster's training is like gold. The guys has trained some of the greatest assasins and combatants on Marvel Earth. Saying that Wolverine's skill trumps USAgent is honestly biased. I know you're a Wolverine fan, but you need to give credit where credit is due.
Also, saying Ogun is the best swordsman in the MU is a little shortsighted. You're forgetting Shanna the She-Devil, Namor, Conan the Barbarian, Black Knight, Swordsman, etc that are swordsmen that have been established as the best. Ogun doesn't have much going for him in that area, considering he's never matched blades with any of the greats.
Originally posted by capt it up
Hell the whole reason capt hangs with USagent is based on the fact capt superior fighter to US agent.
Eh, when it comes to Cap and USAgent they break even. Cap's only advantage is his experience and willpower in battle.
Originally posted by capt it up
You don’t recall logan hiting capt? Both of there fights ended with logan having the upper hand. Hell there last fight logan hit capt’s leg so badly that he almost died from a blood clot,
Scan the fights, or lead me in the direction of them. It sounds like you're leaving out context, length of battle, circumstances beforehand, etc. You wouldn't want me saying that Punisher beat Wolverine, and say nothing else. You'd probably want me to give the detail of the fact that he hit Wolverine in the nuts with a baseball bat after blowing off his face, then blowing his nuts off, then running him over with a steamroller.
Originally posted by capt it up
It was more then that and it was impied they had been fighting awhile.Strength does not always equal durability you realize? Also ya I am saying logan is able to KO rough-house with his fists how ever other people it depends on who really.
No ark pheniox took over again after the first stab.
You’re the one claimed US agent can KO ronan in a single hit.
Which one? Which story?
Ya so your saying that us agent can deal more damage then wonderman?
It was upgraded a lot since then.
Ya with out getting stabbed? Not likely.
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Post the scans, the mere fact a 2 tonner KO a 70 tonner is outrageous
right and one again you claim it would be an easy feat, have you seen who US Agent has gone against?
Thanks, but as stated Roughhouse has high durability. That's like punching out Doc Samson, this is ridiculous
Thanks, but how did she get stabbed before? due to Jean's influence as stated.
Not claimed he did, but you accept feats of Roughouse yet you cry foul when I post a higher feat?
Case in point, Guardian first introduction, Sabertooth, etc..
Overall no, but as STATED he knows how to make it count with what he does.
Not really
Right, there you go overestimating Wolverine. You make it seem it's easy.
Originally posted by carver9
From these scans it look like wolverine could have tackled namor and us agent because us agent ran like a little whore. His attack didnt do nothing but make wolverine mad and he knew that he was in a losing battle thats why he left asap and then he blind sided wolverine while he was fighting namor, I didnt see a victory in that fight, I seen someone run like a little girl thanking ghost rider for getting him out there in the time that he did. I sensed fear in us agent, I wish that he went hand to hand with him, he would have lost just like namor was losing.Like i said and like im going to continue to say --
wolverine 10 out of 10
Uhhh...learn your facts it was Burning Skull and what Wolverine is immuune now to all forms of weapons? please. Your exaggerating once again. Sensed fear? once again please, no where not once indicate he was afraid.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Eh, that's debatable as well. Taskmaster's training is like gold. The guys has trained some of the greatest assasins and combatants on Marvel Earth. Saying that Wolverine's skill trumps USAgent is honestly biased. I know you're a Wolverine fan, but you need to give credit where credit is due.
Honestly, even with Taskmaster training USAgent is not as skilled as Logan. He's not a slouch but he's not as skilled.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, saying Ogun is the best swordsman in the MU is a little shortsighted. You're forgetting Shanna the She-Devil, Namor, Conan the Barbarian, Black Knight, Swordsman, etc that are swordsmen that have been established as the best. Ogun doesn't have much going for him in that area, considering he's never matched blades with any of the greats.
Whether or not he's the best is debatable but he's definitely up there
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Eh, when it comes to Cap and USAgent they break even. Cap's only advantage is his experience and willpower in battle.
No, Walker trumps him in physical aspects but Cap hangs in there cause of his superior fighting skills
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Scan the fights, or lead me in the direction of them. It sounds like you're leaving out context, length of battle, circumstances beforehand, etc. You wouldn't want me saying that Punisher beat Wolverine, and say nothing else. You'd probably want me to give the detail of the fact that he hit Wolverine in the nuts with a baseball bat after blowing off his face, then blowing his nuts off, then running him over with a steamroller.
The fight is in the Wolverine respect thread I believe. If you don't see it I'll post it when I get home. Basically they have a straight forward fight (Wolverine doesn't want to engage him though). In the end Wolverine, using that brain of his, slashes Cap on his leg resulting in a bloodclot which forces Cap to stop. Btw, Steve held out pretty well and even starting out the fight by crushing Wolverine's tendons in his arms so he couldn't pop his claws till he had sufficiently healed. Don't see Walker having that much forethought
Hardly accurate. US Agent is more agile and faster than Captain America, and in Origins Cap recently took it to Wolverine. Crushing his arms which US Agent could do preventing him from extending his claws.
Actually no Cap has better speed/agility feats over Agent. Plus just because Cap did that too Logan, does not equal Agent doing that too Logan.
USAgent is not Cap, considering that Cap has the upperhand on Agent and is the more skilled fighter. Plus since Logan got his correct memories he has recalled much better his skills to even pressure-point fighting.
Agent is skilled but I wouldn't say he's as skilled as Logan. Logan at times just tends to rely on his toughness/healing for mental advantages during fights.
In reality Agents loses more times to Logan......then Cap imo.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually no Cap has better speed/agility feats over Agent. Plus just because Cap did that too Logan, does not equal Agent doing that too Logan.USAgent is not Cap, considering that Cap has the upperhand on Agent and is the more skilled fighter. Plus since Logan got his correct memories he has recalled much better his skills to even pressure-point fighting.
Agent is skilled but I wouldn't say he's as skilled as Logan. Logan at times just tends to rely on his toughness/healing for mental advantages during fights.
In reality Agents loses more times to Logan......then Cap imo.
Incorrect, as stated US Agent is superhuman and as stated Captain is peak human. Hardly? seeing as he was trained in Captain America's fighting style
Incorrect, he got the advantage over a pre S.T.A.R.S. upgrade US Agent. US Agent has shown pressure point fight as well, point?
He's not as skilled, but people are completly ignoring he is still highly highly skilled
Possibly, my entire point was the comments that Wolverine easily wins or wins 10/10. Get where I'm coming from?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America kicked the crap out of USAgent in Avengers 84 and that was after he was in Superhuman Tactical and Response Squad... he barely even managed to put up a fight and resorted using guns and grenades. Against Captain America or Wolverine are out of his league, plain and simple.
Hardly as he has clashed with him in New Invaders and fought to a standstill, and he has clashed with people vastly suprior in strength than him and prevailed. He is definetly being underated here. No way is this an easy victory.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hardly as he has clashed with him in New Invaders and fought to a standstill, and he has clashed with people vastly suprior in strength than him and prevailed. He is definetly being underated here. No way is this an easy victory.
So if he can fight Cap to a standstill despite all of his advantages in terms of speed and strength Wolverine can't get a majority?
I want to make sure I'm interpretting you right. Do you think Walker will win or do you just think he's not being given a fair shake here?
Captain American and USAgent never fought in New Invaders. The closest thing to a fight between the two in New Invaders was when Walker attack Cap from behind... but Can caught the punch over his shoulder with out even looking. Cap squeezed some pressure points on Walkers hand, said "Brains over brawn" and that was it. However they did fight in Avengers 84 (remember how I said that?) which was the lead up to the launch of the New Invaders getting their own title. Cap and Agent didn't fight to a stand still, Cap owned him.
Originally posted by marvelprince
So if he can fight Cap to a standstill despite all of his advantages in terms of speed and strength Wolverine can't get a majority?I want to make sure I'm interpretting you right. Do you think Walker will win or do you just think he's not being given a fair shake here?
What? I'm not even debating Walker would win but the sheer fact people said Wolverine wins 10/10 and easily. Where did I say US Agent gets the majority?
Not being given a fair shake here, definetly.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain American and USAgent never fought in New Invaders. The closest thing to a fight between the two in New Invaders was when Walker attack Cap from behind... but Can caught the punch over his shoulder with out even looking. Cap squeezed some pressure points on Walkers hand, said "Brains over brawn" and that was it. However they did fight in Avengers 84 (remember how I said that?) which was the lead up to the launch of the New Invaders getting their own title. Cap and Agent didn't fight to a stand still, Cap owned him.
I have another issue where they clashed with their shileds and Walker was in his New Invaders attire. No one had the advantage, I was positive it was the lead-up to New Invaders, once my torrents fully download I can have the scans up.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have another issue where they clashed with their shileds and Walker was in his New Invaders attire. No one had the advantage, I was positive it was the lead-up to New Invaders, once my torrents fully download I can have the scans up.
Maybe, sometimes they publish the same fight in more then one book from different perspectives. In Avengers 84 though they clash shields and Cap back hands Walker. Walker then pulls a gun and trys to shoot Cap but he blocks it with his shield. Cap moves into melee and punches Walker in the stomach. Walker pulls out a grenade but Cap hits him in the chest with his shield and catchs the grenade before it hits the ground.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
What? I'm not even debating Walker would win but the sheer fact people said Wolverine wins 10/10 and easily. Where did I say US Agent gets the majority?
Didn't say you thought Walker would get the majority, was questioning whether or not you thought Logan would get the majority
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not being given a fair shake here, definetly.
I agree. Still don't think he could beat Logan but he is underestimated
